NFL Week 10 - Vikings at Bills post game thread

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

That's not much of a gain for me. I could just put you on mute...  However I tend not to feel the need to mute anyone.

Ok, Give me an example of a “forum bet” that would provide you with ample gain.  

[newcam2012]

11 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

Dorsey is the problem.

 

Everyone says “Ohhh he’s a psycho he’s so competitive blah blah” well that’s the issue.

 

When you combine his aggressiveness with Josh’s, you get bad football. Dabol was a moderating force to Josh’s internal competitiveness.

 

Dorsey has been absolutely destroyed in the second half of the last 3 games. Flat out coached easily. He has no ability to adjust to what his early season offense was.

 

Zero running game, zero intermediate game, horrible red zone play calling (how many times are we 1st and goal from the 5ish and throw the ball every down??)

 

No, he doesn’t throw the pics Josh has been killing us with. BUT, he can call plays where the reads are short to deep instead of deep to short when Josh his Sugar High Josh. The job of the OC is to recognize how his QB is playing and reign him in when needed. 

 

Dorsey is failing. There is no need to worry about him getting poached as a HC. And THANK GOD the MVP talk is over. Who give a sht the goal is the Super Bowl not Allen’s accolades.

 

The Super Bowl hopes are fading with each game. Not sure the Bills even win the division. The Dolphins are the better team. Tua is playing great, Hill and Waddle are unstoppable, RBs Wilson and Mosert are dynamic in that offense, and their coach is everything that Dorsey isn't which is creative and innovative. I'm not sold completely on their defense but it's pretty clear who the better team is. However, what really matters is whose the better team going into the playoffs not right now. Hopefully, it will be Buffalo.

[Barnaby Wilde]

Upgrade from Mich Morse and bring in a real professional center who doesn't choke on snap in a situation to ***** defeat from the jaws of victory.  You tolerate plays like that, you're on Gilligan's Island without Ginger nor Marianne.  Morse is a problem.  I don't give a fig how much flak I catch from his lovers here.  He is not dependable in the clutch.  That wasn't even the clutch and he still can't the snap to Josh.  A 3 hour tour... a 3 hour tour....

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

My direct quote in the GDT before the Catch:

 

“I already know the next play call. Cousins is just going to lob this up to Jefferson. Just going to be a jump ball basically.”

 

And what Cousins actually said before the play:

 

“Before we left the huddle,” Jefferson told me from the locker room in Buffalo, “Kirk said to me, ‘Hey, I might just throw this up to you.’ Kirk knew. We just needed to make something happen.”

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/11/14/tom-brady-germany-peter-king-fmia-week-10/

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

It's far enough along in his career to see that sugar high Allen is who he is at times. He's never going to be MVP because of that, and SB champ, not sure, we'll see. You can win the SB by just getting hot in the playoffs, for MVP, need to be great for a vast majority of the season.

I think every qb including the eventual mvp winner has games like this at least once or twice a season.  Even rodgers who threw 4 total ints all season last year was pretty horrible in 2 games 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Talley56]

I was at the game yesterday.  The heartbreak and frustration aside, I was surprised by how many Vikings fans were there and pretty bold about the Vikings despite being the road team.

[LabattBlue]

NFC games don’t matter, right? 

 

/sarcasm off

[Bob in STL]

This quote from Peterson says it all on Allen: 

 

“Honestly, he’s great,” Peterson said. “He just has to take what the defense gives him. I think that’s the thing – sometimes, he just looks a little bit too careless with the football.”

 

He just has to take what's given.  He was doing that before the bye week.    In the past 3 weeks Allen has been trying for deep balls and home runs and ignoring wide open check downs.   This is the root cause of the troubles we are having closing out games.  We held on versus Green Bay but the last two weeks we gave the games away.   

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Bob in STL

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

17 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Allen has used up his quota of bad games.

Oh this season for sure…I was just responding in general terms.  
 

it would take a lot for him to win it this year.  It’s lookin like it’s gonna go to tua or tyreek hill if people want to hold tua missing three games against him.  Obviously a lot can change but if that dolphins offense gets figured out it would take a lot for josh to catch mahomes at this point 

 

if qbs didn’t almost always win it it would go to tyreek hill for sure at this point imo

Edited November 14, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Big Turk]

11 hours ago, Flucod said:

 #1 seed is completely out of reach, only chance is to win out, no way with the schedule we have compared to other teams. Ravens only have one game left with a competitive team.

 

Nothing is ever out of reach in the NFL with how it's a week to week league and key injuries occur every week.

 

There is no reason the Bills couldn't run the table. The toughest part of their schedule is done. 

 

Their goal next week should be zero turnovers.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Nothing is ever out of reach in the NFL with how it's a week to week league and key injuries occur every week.

 

There is no reason the Bills couldn't run the table. The toughest part of their schedule is done. 

 

Their goal next week should be zero turnovers.

This is true…it’s easy to extrapolate the team trending downward after a tough loss but on paper the 1 seed honestly isn’t as far off as people think since we have the head to head vs kc. 

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This is true…it’s easy to extrapolate the team trending downward after a tough loss but on paper the 1 seed honestly isn’t as far off as people think since we have the head to head vs kc. 

 

We have the head to head against everyone. We just need to focus on the division first tho. The Bills control their own destiny. Everything they want to accomplish is there for the taking. They just need to do a better job at seizing the moment.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Big Turk

[buffalobillswin]

Can the DBs coach teach the defense when to knock it down and when to go for an int this week please? 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

20 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

This quote from Peterson says it all on Allen: 

 

“Honestly, he’s great,” Peterson said. “He just has to take what the defense gives him. I think that’s the thing – sometimes, he just looks a little bit too careless with the football.”

 

He just has to take what's given.  He was doing that before the bye week.    In the past 3 weeks Allen has been trying for deep balls and home runs and ignoring wide open check downs.   This is the root cause of the troubles we are having closing out games.  We held on versus Green Bay but the last two weeks we gave the games away.   

 

I think the last few weeks is more he has not been seeing some underneath defenders for whatever reason. It doesn’t look like he is knowingly passing up short throws to take risks pushing the ball down the field to me…which might be worse idk lol
 

Maybe the final int in the game yesterday could qualify as that but there really wasn’t a short route on that play for whatever reason

 

singletary snuck out late on a delayed route after a block  but it looked like by that point davis had a step on Peterson. a better throw and that’s an incompletion at worst

 

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

We have the head to head against everyone. We just need to focus on the division first tho. The Bills control their own destiny. Everything they want to accomplish is there for the taking. They just need to do a better job at seizing the moment.

I guess we technically control our own destiny against Miami but that could potentially depend on being perfect in conference games going forward…lac has been disappointing so I’m not sure they’re gonna lose that one.  We both lost to NYJ and Minnesota which could force us wayy down the tiebreakers list if we split with them and finish with the same division and conference record lol 

[Bob in STL]

13 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think the last few weeks is more he has not been seeing some underneath defenders for whatever reason. It doesn’t look like he is knowingly passing up short throws to take risks pushing the ball down the field to me.  
 

Maybe the final int in the game yesterday could qualify as that but there really wasn’t a short route on that play for whatever reason

 

singletary snuck out late on a delayed route after a block  but it looked like by that point davis had a step on Peterson. a better throw and that’s an incompletion at worst

 

 

Your thinking is just feeding the problem.    He is definitely knowingly passing up short throws in favor of the big play.  He knows where the check downs are.  On the final interception #26 was wide open and had room to gain some more yards.  

 

Peterson was not covering Davis, Peterson knocked McKenzie out of bounds (terrible on McKenzie that he let that happen), then Peterson watched Allen and covered a zone, he picked up Davis because Josh was locked on.  

 

Bottom line, the pass was careless, we still had more downs to play, you take the easy yards to Singletary.  These plays are happening consistently in the past 3 weeks.  The opponents see this.  If he and Dorsey do not see this, and know this, then we have much bigger problems.   

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Bob in STL

[ArdmoreRyno]

The team can make it up to us by winning in Glendale at the end of the year. 

 

Going to take a while to get over this one... just like Arizona in 20 and KC last year.

[BananaB]

18 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think the last few weeks is more he has not been seeing some underneath defenders for whatever reason. It doesn’t look like he is knowingly passing up short throws to take risks pushing the ball down the field to me…which might be worse idk lol
 

Maybe the final int in the game yesterday could qualify as that but there really wasn’t a short route on that play for whatever reason

 

singletary snuck out late on a delayed route after a block  but it looked like by that point davis had a step on Peterson. a better throw and that’s an incompletion at worst

 

 

The INT was on Gabe. Allen will never admit it  but it’s pretty ***** obvious to me. He cuts in instead of up and that ball hits him on one or two. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by BananaB

[vincec]

2 hours ago, SoMAn said:

For all the whining, one thing we shouldn’t complain about is officiating. For the most part, the zebras let them play. 
The Bills got away with a lot of holding and they’re lucky the Gabe Davis bobble wasn’t overturned.

 

side note-it’s a shame the Bills didn’t go after Hockenson. I wanted him for the Bills the year he was drafted. Knox is good, but not elite. Hockenson could have done for the Bills what Kelce does for the Chiefs. 

I'm not confident the Bills would have effectively utilized him.

[ArdmoreRyno]

The last 10 quarters.... 

 

Josh Allen

53-of-91 for 561 yards 1 TDs 6 INTs

 

Drives (going back to halftime of the GB game)

FG

INT

INT

PUNT

INT

TD

PUNT

TD

Miss FG

INT

FG

PUNT

Turnover on downs

PUNT

TD

TD
FG

FUMBLE

TD

PUNT
FG
INT

PUNT

FUMBLE (for TD)

FG

INT

 

26 drives

9 turnovers (34.6% of drives have resulted in a turnover)

10 scoring drives (38.4% of drives have resulted in points, half were FG's)

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by ArdmoreRyno

[Roundybout]

 

I love Lil Dirty but I swear, this guy has the game sense of a golf ball sometimes 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Bob in STL said:

Your thinking is just feeding the problem.    He is definitely knowingly passing up short throws in favor of the big play.  He knows where the check downs are.  On the final interception #26 was wide open and had room to gain some more yards.  

 

Peterson was not covering Davis, Peterson knocked McKenzie out of bounds (terrible on McKenzie that he let that happen), then Peterson watched Allen and covered a zone, he picked up Davis because Josh was locked on.  

 

Bottom line, the pass was careless, we still had more downs to play, you take the easy yards to Singletary.  These plays are happening consistently in the past 3 weeks.  The opponents see this.  If he and Dorsey do not see this, and know this, then we have much bigger problems.   

 

 

how can I be feeding another problem when the problem I’m describing is worse 🤣 straight up not seeing underneath defenders is alarming.  That’s been the overwhelming trend the last few games leading to most of the actual ints and quite a few dropped ints.  I think that’s a much more difficult fix 

 

I know it’s the last play and people can think whatever they want obviously,  but I’ve watched that play many many times and Davis has a step throughout that entire route which is where josh decided to go with the ball just before singletary sneaks out on the delayed route after the block.   Allen threw it wayyy behind Davis but there was a great deal of room in the back of the end zone to put that ball where only his receiver could get it.  It was nowhere near as risky as it looked from the broadcast angle…was pretty much a routine throw against man coverage in the nfl 
 

you can even see Harrison smith I think it was know he got pulled out of position by the other crossing receiver and try to peel off late with a desperation dive.  I was pissed when I saw it live too as it looked like he just decided to throw the ball into 4 defenders but it really was not like that at all.

 

This was ironically the least bad of his interceptions the last 2 and a half games but of course it happened in the biggest moment so I don’t blame people for being frustrated. 
 

I’ll try to upload some photos from the play but I am technologically challenged and the file is too large 🤣
 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[pigpen65]

13 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

not selfishness— it was instinct. It was a great play on the ball.  Sure, with hindsight, I am sure he would like to have batted down. But it was a good play. Jefferson made a better one. 

If it was acceptable to act on instinct there would be 11 defenders all running to the QB at the snap every play. The reason coaches coach and players practice is to learn the responsibility and discipline to make the correct decision when they see it during a game. It was 4th down. Batting the ball down was the only correct play. Like i said, even if he does intercept it it's still a bad play that costs the team 20 yards of field position. If you don't want to blame Lewis then you can blame the coaches, but it's such an obvious play that a DB would have learned in little loop to high school to college that's it's possible pro coaches aren't even taking the time to teach it. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by pigpen65

[Ralonzo]

5 hours ago, Pete said:

you knock down Hail Mary's at the end of the game to preserve the win. 

You make a play on a ball during a game.

I doubt Steelers pans were piling on MInkah when Gabe made a helluva play.

Cam Lewis, off the practice squad, our 3rd or 4th string S, makes a great play on the ball, Minkah Fitzpatrick like, against one of the best WR in the NFL, almost makes the pick(I thought he did in live time). 

Jeffferson made an amazing catch.  Coverage was great.  And there wasn't even a chance to knock it down. 

 

But go ahead and blame this loss on Cam Lewis

 

Cam Lewis contributed to the loss like your post contributed to the death of logic. It's 4th down. Catching the ball at best costs your team field position, and at worst... well, you saw the play, I presume. The play, like the post which is making a strawman logical fallacy argument, is dumb. Not smart.

 

 

 

 

[IndyMark]

I am utterly shocked at the amount of people (Bills Fans?) that have stated after the Bills stopped the Vikings 4th down at the one, they started celebrating.  Really?

 

Regardless of the historic meltdowns (wide right, throw back, 13 seconds.....) we got the ball at our 2 foot line - how does that go unnoticed?  I told my wife, when I saw the Bills celebrating on the bench like the game was won, that it was way too early....nobody should feel good about the circumstance.  

 

Sure be excited about a stop, but when you get to the sideline, focus on the game......same for fans, no way you should conclude the game was over.

 

When I saw the Bills line up in the QB sneak I was hoping they would quickly reset into a shot-gun to throw off the Defense and then throw a quick slant....but nope, we ran a play that everyone in the world new we were running and just like the Tenn game last year, we mucked up a qb sneak.

 

How many times do we try that until we learn this is not our strength?  

 

Totally flummoxed at the "celebration" and ensuing play call.  Totally. Flummoxed.

[Big Turk]

Edmunds get hurt and the Vikings start scoring.  Those two couldn't be correlated could they?

[JohnBonhamRocks]

6 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

This quote from Peterson says it all on Allen: 

 

“Honestly, he’s great,” Peterson said. “He just has to take what the defense gives him. I think that’s the thing – sometimes, he just looks a little bit too careless with the football.”

 

He just has to take what's given.  He was doing that before the bye week.    In the past 3 weeks Allen has been trying for deep balls and home runs and ignoring wide open check downs.   This is the root cause of the troubles we are having closing out games.  We held on versus Green Bay but the last two weeks we gave the games away.   

 

Was repeating “ok keep taking what they give you” between every play that drive, as he was doing it wonderfully albeit mostly running. I don’t know if he just can’t not play hero ball or what, but he’s gotta play with a little more head than heart going forward. 
 

Also, once again it was strange how much my brother and I had to get the crowd around us into it. I feel like fans should be yelling their heads off from opposing huddle thru the snap and often the crowd would wait to get into it until right before the snap. As much as I love Bills Mafia, this has happened unfortunately fairly regularly when we go to games.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

We had 6 RBs up and only Singletary got more then 5 touches 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Edmunds get hurt and the Vikings start scoring.  Those two couldn't be correlated could they?

 

The Vikings offense scored 10 points in the first half with Edmunds playing. 

 

They scored 13 points in the 2nd half with Edmunds out. 

 

I'm not seeing much of a correlation....

 

 

 

 

[bills742]

 

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

The Vikings offense scored 10 points in the first half with Edmunds playing. 

 

They scored 13 points in the 2nd half with Edmunds out. 

 

I'm not seeing much of a correlation....

 

And a great win it was, 30-23 over those pesky Vikings 

 

Yeah yeah, defense scores 7, and OT doesn't count.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Ralonzo

[ngbills]

Too late - but here is what bills should have done in the end zone fumble. 
 
Have Davis in motion like they did and do a hard count to draw the D offside. They clearly jumped the snap knowing where David was in motion. Very good chance they would have jumped. Game over. 

[Andy1]

I wonder if the elbow injury impacted this throw. It was short and off target.

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

On 11/13/2022 at 5:01 PM, Donuts and Doritos said:

We are becoming the Phillip Rivers, Ladanian Tomlinson early 2000's Chargers (or Big Ben, Antonio Brown Steelers). Always hyped to win it, always falling short. Looking like we are a perpetual pretend contender.

I’ve been trying to figure out who this team compares to and this is it. 2000s Chargers is perfect comparison. Always talented but you knew they’d blow it and you knew Rivers (like Josh) would make some dumb plays while also putting up stats. Throw in the fact that somehow you knew some crazy bad luck was going to happen in each game for both franchises and you have your perfect comparison. I would say our coaching is just as bad if not worse than those teams. Add in the fact that the chiefs are basically the patriots of that time (better coached, always come through in the clutch, etc) and you see how this story ends.