Dablitzkrieg Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Johnnyp566 said: If the Bills want to play a garbage and wreckless brand of football like they did in the 2nd half against GB then they can keep any team in a game and lose games they should win. I know we won but it was unacceptable and it started with Allen. Settle down tiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Thank you @YoloinOhio ! At least SOMEBODY is sober on All Hallowed ’s Day.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: Muki also a lot of times asks questions almost trying to give coaches advice on formations and personnel that bug me, or like trying to talk about his own football experience and thoughts. I specifically remember one I think he was asking about we should use Moss, Cook (or maybe it was an earlier year with Yeldon), Singletary all in the backfield at the same time to help the running game. It was very long question as he brought up this or that team doing it, and his own like high school experience or college he played at. I think sometimes the coaches get annoyed by him as well because of some of his long winded questions. As opposed to the same, dumb, asinine questions posed by Jerry Sullivan and others🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Let me help you out with a look at the first question asked of Ken Dorsey in his media availability yesterday. Pat (didn't catch last name - Treeman?) from Buffalo Criterian pointed out that Allen's INTs until Sunday were "competitive" but Allen admitted the balls he threw Sunday were bad. Dorsey said we look at it on tape and break down, was it decision, was it fundamentals, was it a freak occurrance. We make sure we're learning from it so they don't repeat, and then we move forward. To summarize: Dorsey and Josh and the offense look at the tape, figure out what went wrong, and move on to the next game. You? Yeah, I have no concerns that Josh is suddenly regressing. He was late and threw across his body on the first one. And the second one he said he wanted to spike the ball and just didn't get it there. What I think the Bills need to work on is getting Gabe involved in every game, smoothing out his up and down performances. If he's not catching deep, are there other ways he can contribute, drag routes across the field and sideline out routes? Not sure on the specifics, but it was clear to me as that game went along in the second half that Gabe could have given the offense a spark. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Statistically, both their rushing ypc and passing ypa is pretty good. Better than any D the Bills have faced so far. Points against they are 8th of the teams that have played 8 games already. Their D (from the few games I watched) seem above average. The thing is these stats are with the offense having a good run game which is now in question. I see the Jets O not staying on the field as long as previous games putting more pressure on their D. Thanks for an answer. Yes, both those things are good. On a Y/G basis, they're the same as the Rams. They are 25th in the league for plays/game. The Rams, Packers, Titans, and Dolphins are all better at getting the opponent off the field. So teams are staying on the field against them somehow even with the Jets run game hanging onto the ball - maybe it's stuff-stuff-Convert? They're 11 in PPG, the Titans are about the same. I think they're a good D, don't get me wrong, I'm just not convinced they're the best D we've faced. They may have a different set of strengths and weaknesses though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Their D just got beat by Mac Jones. The Pats D isnt better than the Bills D. I think we will be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I think they're a good D, don't get me wrong, I'm just not convinced they're the best D we've faced. They may have a different set of strengths and weaknesses though. I agree. Whether "better" than any other D is questionable but still a good D. I see no way they keep the Bills O to under 24 points. Jets O will be lucky to score 16. The weather window looks great so the Bills O could bounce back big. Bills are not going to take this divisional game lightly. They are 0-1 in the division and behind the Dolphins in that regard. I actually believe that Keenum might be taking some snaps in this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 21 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: As opposed to the same, dumb, asinine questions posed by Jerry Sullivan and others🙄 Which is why pressers are mostly worthless anyway - same corporate lines and hiding info over and over. Muki should just ask McD to pick a number between 1-20 and see how close he comes to guessing the right answer, its a different new question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 I think the Jets have played the Bis better than the Pats and Dolphins the last couple years. That said: I don't think their offense has the firepower. Probably a 30-13 game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, PolishPrince said: Which is why pressers are mostly worthless anyway - same corporate lines and hiding info over and over. Muki should just ask McD to pick a number between 1-20 and see how close he comes to guessing the right answer, its a different new question! I mean, you're welcome to your opinion in which case, to not watch them and not join in discussion about them would seem logical. Then those of us who do find some interest tucked in there between the media reporters who ask narrow questions which seem designed to elicit a pre-determined response, can discuss what interests us without disturbing your nap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Back2Buff said: By far the best defense we have played all year. If our defense is going to be without White, Poyer, and Milano, going to be a nail bitter. 13 points is way too much for how good Jets D is. Bills better start blitzing too. Wilson stinks at pressure. Rams give up 310.9, Jest 311.4, Packers 316.0. So not by far the best defense we've played all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Their D just got beat by Mac Jones. The Pats D isnt better than the Bills D. I think we will be ok. It's a point that the Jets great D stats include beating up on Skyler Thompson (Fins) and Brett Rypien (Broncs). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I mean, you're welcome to your opinion in which case, to not watch them and not join in discussion about them would seem logical. Then those of us who do find some interest tucked in there between the media reporters who ask narrow questions which seem designed to elicit a pre-determined response, can discuss what interests us without disturbing your nap? Correct but I do watch the pressers, and i'm entitled to state my opinion that Muki doesnt typically ask good open questions just like you are allowed to think he does. Its part of a discussion board correct? Or are discussion boards more for snide jabs at someone who thinks differently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Rams give up 310.9, Jest 311.4, Packers 316.0. So not by far the best defense we've played all year. that for total game which also tells the tale of their woeful offense. On a per drive basis they are very good: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 44 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yeah, I have no concerns that Josh is suddenly regressing. He was late and threw across his body on the first one. And the second one he said he wanted to spike the ball and just didn't get it there. I don't use the term "regressing", but I think it's fair to say they were both bad decisions and should not have been thrown as they were. Josh is easily able to sail the ball out the back of the EZ if he's trying to throw it away. And throwing late/across his body is something Josh has learned not to do. So I think "why?" are questions that need to be asked and answered, and I'm sure Josh and the coaches will ask and answer them. 44 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: What I think the Bills need to work on is getting Gabe involved in every game You do know that Gabe had 7 targets in the GB game, of which he caught 2? Shakir had 2 targets of which he caught 0. That's one reason I thought it was interesting that McDermott called out balls that should have been caught in his presser. I haven't gone through film to see how many and which balls were catchable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, jletha said: that for total game which also tells the tale of their woeful offense. On a per drive basis they are very good: We'll see how good they are on Sunday. It will be their biggest test to date. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 1, 2022 Author Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: Thank you @YoloinOhio ! At least SOMEBODY is sober on All Hallowed ’s Day.. Who is it? *hic* 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: We'll see how good they are on Sunday. It will be their biggest test to date. They are a lot better at run defending than pass, but Bills need to be careful with their D line. It is one of the better ones in the league. People love to just gloss over the talent they added last year and this year on D. They got some stars in Q Williams and Gardner. Lawson and JFM are very good and Mosley is healthy this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp566 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Oh yea it’s bad no question about that…but this implication that it’s going to happen again or that second half is gonna carry over to another game is going pretty far overboard imo. I don’t think necessarily that he will get picked while trying to ground the ball it’s just the closing out/getting sloppy stuff. The focus has to be there. 1 hour ago, PolishPrince said: Muki also a lot of times asks questions almost trying to give coaches advice on formations and personnel that bug me, or like trying to talk about his own football experience and thoughts. I specifically remember one I think he was asking about we should use Moss, Cook (or maybe it was an earlier year with Yeldon), Singletary all in the backfield at the same time to help the running game. It was very long question as he brought up this or that team doing it, and his own like high school experience or college he played at. I think sometimes the coaches get annoyed by him as well because of some of his long winded questions. Muki is fine. You want to talk about long winded and confusing questions? Look no further than John Wawrow..and people on this board worship him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: They are a lot better at run defending than pass, but Bills need to be careful with their D line. It is one of the better ones in the league. People love to just gloss over the talent they added last year and this year on D. They got some stars in Q Williams and Gardner. Lawson and JFM are very good and Mosley is healthy this year. I'm not doubting they're good, but if they are alot better against the run than the pass, they may be in trouble. They've only played 2 top 10 passing offenses this year. Joe Burrow, who's up and down like a yoyo and against Miami's 3rd string QB, which doesn't count. The rest are all in bottom half of the league in passing. Like I said, we'll see on Sunday. Edited November 1, 2022 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 I don't really mind Muki, but explicitly calling him out as a breath of fresh air with a bunch of elaborating paragraphs is goofy. The dude is very clearly operating without a full toolbox and every question he asks feels unprofessional and more like a question a 12 year old would ask 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Johnnyp566 said: To get picked off while trying to “dirt” the ball in the red zone is reckless and a garbage brand of football. Josh Allen is great…but it’s not acceptable when you have the chance to seal the game or ever for that matter. Can you please explain what do you mean by "it's not acceptable"? Serious question. Like you are going to fire him if he does it again? Or you want Bills to get rid of him? Or you stop rooting for the Bills? Or exactly what are you not going to "accept"? Edited November 1, 2022 by No_Matter_What 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Can you please explain what do you mean by "it's no acceptable"? Serios question. Like you are going to fire him if he does it again? Or you want Bills to get rid of him? Or you stop rooting for the Bills? Or exactly what are you not going to accept? I like when people say something is unacceptable when you have no choice but to accept it. Like when saying 'what an unbelievable play" when you just saw it happen. It's very believable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aussie Joe Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, arcane said: I don't really mind Muki, but explicitly calling him out as a breath of fresh air with a bunch of elaborating paragraphs is goofy. The dude is very clearly operating without a full toolbox and every question he asks feels unprofessional and more like a question a 12 year old would ask Gee ..lucky you don’t mind him… I would hate what you would say about someone who really offends you.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Then this happened.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said: Then this happened.. Tage is a freaking beast. Awesome performance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: According to Colin Cowherd the Bills "struggled" against the Packers because they were cocky and full of themselves. This is because the the City of Buffalo has never won anything, so we have no self esteem. Yes Colin, that makes sense. Josh Allen is suddenly too-cocky, Sean McDermott is now shooting his mouth off like Rex Ryan, Von Miller is known for his mouth. Media loves Stef Diggs, just as long as he doesn't jaw with Jaire Alexander. This is the same old media. We're happy for little Buffalo, just as long as they don't really win anything. Drop the Bills to 8th on your little Top 10 list Colin, and talk about how running the ball is the Packers new identity. My gosh. Let's see if the Bills over-cockiness rubs off this week and we get ambushed by the Jets. I saw him yesterday pushing this narrative as he interviewed both Joe Thomas and Sean Peyton and both of them werent having it in the least. Basically shutting him down and sayin Buffalo is doing just fine. Today he says KC would beat Buff on a neutral field and thats why he has them ranked higher. These 2 teams literally just played in Arrowhead no more than 2 weeks ago and the Chiefs lost.... What in the actual F*** is he talking about??!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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K-9 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Fallser said: Bills by a Billion, I thought these Jests were for real a few weeks ago, now not so much. Their defense is very much for real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Perry Turtle Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yeah, I have no concerns that Josh is suddenly regressing. He was late and threw across his body on the first one. And the second one he said he wanted to spike the ball and just didn't get it there. What I think the Bills need to work on is getting Gabe involved in every game, smoothing out his up and down performances. If he's not catching deep, are there other ways he can contribute, drag routes across the field and sideline out routes? Not sure on the specifics, but it was clear to me as that game went along in the second half that Gabe could have given the offense a spark. Allen regressing? Seriously? Josh Allen has gone to the next level this season in terms of his deep throws. He is practically god-mode when pressured. His reads have been spectacular. He made a couple of bad throws while up 17 points in a game coming off a bye against a desperate team who's posted 50+ wins the last 4 seasons (the Packers still have talent). The Bills have beaten the three other AFC division leaders already this year. Allen has out-dueled the three previous league MVPs. Despite all that, he's regressing because of two bad throws? Edited November 1, 2022 by Perry Turtle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Beck Water said: How you figure that? Seriously - what are your criteria? Statistically, Titans and Rams are better on points against and yards against. Ravens get more TO. Titans, Chiefs, Rams, Ravens and Dolphins allow fewer rush yards against. Packers and Rams allow fewer pass yards against. I don't want to take away from the Jets, I think they have a very good D. Salah was a good DC in SF. But what makes them the best D we've faced in your view? Defensively, the stats that matter most to coaches are YPC rushing and YPA passing. The Jets currently rank 2nd (3.8 ypc) and 5th (5.8 ypa) in the league, respectively, in those categories. Those numbers are off the NFL.com league defensive stats page. https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/defense/rushing/2022/reg/all Edited November 1, 2022 by K-9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Beck Water Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, K-9 said: The stats that matter most to coaches are YPC rushing and YPA passing. The Jets currently rank 2nd (3.8 ypc) and 5th (5.8 ypa) in the league, respectively, in those categories. Those numbers are off the NFL.com league defensive stats page. https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/defense/rushing/2022/reg/all Question: how do you know those are the stats that matter most to coaches? Just curious Anyway, answers my question about the criteria used to state that the Jets are the best D we've faced. A counterpoint would be: 5.8 ypp and 3.8 ypa both move the chains. The Jets are 12th in 1st D/game and 25th in plays per game, which doubtless is impacted by their offense, but nevertheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Just now, Beck Water said: Question: how do you know those are the stats that matter most to coaches? Just curious Anyway, answers my question about the criteria used to state that the Jets are the best D we've faced. A counterpoint would be: 5.8 ypp and 3.8 ypa both move the chains. The Jets are 12th in 1st D/game and 25th in plays per game, which doubtless is impacted by their offense, but nevertheless. Because I’ve been around enough of them and have compiled enough film edits for them to know. They wanted to know yards per play given up defensively by opponents both overall and in each category separately for better context and then see if the film matched the numbers and why. Granted, that was decades ago in another life, but I think that still holds true. As to the counterpoint, I don’t recall off the top of my head any great defenses whose stats wouldn’t move the chains if those averages are strictly applied to three or four downs. The 1985 Bears is considered the best defense in history and even their per play averages both running and passing “would move the chains.” But we both know football isn’t played like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 3 hours ago, arcane said: Muki talks like a 5th grader lol 1 hour ago, arcane said: I don't really mind Muki, but explicitly calling him out as a breath of fresh air with a bunch of elaborating paragraphs is goofy. The dude is very clearly operating without a full toolbox and every question he asks feels unprofessional and more like a question a 12 year old would ask You "don't really mind" the guy so much you had to make two posts with the same theme? What and how many times would you post about someone you do really mind? Hint: the elaborating paragraphs were about what McDermott responded and how he appeared, not about Muki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: Gee ..lucky you don’t mind him… I would hate what you would say about someone who really offends you.. Well normally I wouldn't care about C-rate reporting/grammar from some C-rate media organization in Rochester, so in that sense I don't mind him. He sounds like a chill guy to hang out with, so it's nothing personal. Just pretty surprising to read that level of praise lol 7 minutes ago, Beck Water said: You "don't really mind" the guy so much you had to make two posts with the same theme? What and how many times would you post about someone you do really mind? Hint: the elaborating paragraphs were about what McDermott responded and how he appeared, not about Muki. I guess it's now 3 lol. Seems a fair number for something that actually makes your eyebrows raise in real life. Anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, K-9 said: Because I’ve been around enough of them and have compiled enough film edits for them to know. They wanted to know yards per play given up defensively by opponents both overall and in each category separately for better context and then see if the film matched the numbers and why. Granted, that was decades ago in another life, but I think that still holds true. Thanks for the response. I totally believe that would be important to coaches (then and now) in the context of watching film and looking to see if the film matches the #s. One thing about the "move the chains" thing (and why I think YPC/YPA aren't the be-all end-all to coaches) is, what characterizes the great defenses is that in addition to being tough to move the ball on, they make big plays. They force fumbles, they get interceptions, they get sacks. Which is of course why teams don't generally embrace the dink-n-dunk down the field offense, and keep trying for the big play. Anyway, the Jets undoubtedly have good YPC/YPA numbers. For some other parameters I think are important (no clue whether or not they're important to coaches), 32% or almost 1/3 of drives against them end in a score - similar to the Titans. They're 9th in TO and 12.4% of their opponents drives end in a takeaway which is 12th, below the Ravens and Titans. And, they've given up 19 1st downs by penalty, 28th in the league. I think they're a good defense. I'm not sure they're the best defense we've faced. One factor for a few of the D's we've faced is that when the game finished (notably against the Rams, Titans, and Steelers) their defensive stats were notably worse than when it kicked off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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