Cole Beasley retiring

[FLFan]

25 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Cole had a chance to play with New England and Mr Brady and turned them down to play with Josh Allen. He’s always part of the Bills and I’ll tell you I have yet to see a receiver step forward to replace him. Over 80 catches and basically Josh’s safety valve haven’t been so easy to replace. 

The combination of MacKenzie and Crowder thus far have 21 catches for 213 yards and 3 td’s for MacKenzie. Shakir will be better than Crowder. He is already replaced. 

[newcam2012]

30 minutes ago, FLFan said:

The combination of MacKenzie and Crowder thus far have 21 catches for 213 yards and 3 td’s for MacKenzie. Shakir will be better than Crowder. He is already replaced. 

This is a downgrade from a healthy Beasley. He was clutch for the Bills in big time 3rd down plays. Disregard his outside behavior. On the field he was very good for several years. 

[Bob in STL]

Beasley was a warrior on the field.  He produced, was clutch, and he played injured. 

 

 G     TGT   Rec    Yds     Ave     TDs

46    325   231   2438    10.6      11

 

Pretty good three years of work.  

[Mango]

I think he’s toast and was likely going to be released shortly so retired to save some safe.

 

I don’t think he had a million offers this offseason like he tweeted. He ended up on a banged up TB teams PS and had zero production. 
 

He was an integral part of righting the ship, but unfortunately the writing was on the wall for him. 

[ArtVandalay]

6 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Thank you for your awe-inspiring prediction!

You were the only person here who was able to see the signs of his demise because they were so well-hidden from the rest of us.

I doubly appreciate your willingness to remind us of your singular greatness as we may have forgotten that you alone could tell that Beasley had lost a step.

I'm sure we all look forward to more of your keen insights and follow up I told you so's. 

Apparently you don't keep tabs here, the amount of people that think he did not really decline but he was off the team for covud shots is overwhelming. 

[78thealltimegreat]

3 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

This is a downgrade from a healthy Beasley. He was clutch for the Bills in big time 3rd down plays. Disregard his outside behavior. On the field he was very good for several years. 

What I am saying for the three years he played in Buffalo he had 231 catches that is NOT easily replaced. Especially when you are hoping a rookie in Shakur produces near that level. 

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

This is a downgrade from a healthy Beasley. He was clutch for the Bills in big time 3rd down plays. Disregard his outside behavior. On the field he was very good for several years. 

 

Beasley is washed. Stop living in the past.  He helped turn us around but father time said its over.

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

This is a downgrade from a healthy Beasley. He was clutch for the Bills in big time 3rd down plays. Disregard his outside behavior. On the field he was very good for several years. 

 

Corrected emphasis

 

John Brown was also very good for the Bills for 2 years.  I was kind of surprised when the Bills let him go, and thought it was a mistake - and then, he was picked up by 4 different teams and couldn't stay with a one.

 

Sure, if Beasley was the same guy he was in 2019 and 2020, Crowder and McKenzie and Shakir are a downgrade.  But he wasn't the same guy in 2021, and he wasn't going to be in 2022.

 

2 hours ago, Mango said:

I think he’s toast and was likely going to be released shortly so retired to save some safe.

 

I don’t think he had a million offers this offseason like he tweeted. He ended up on a banged up TB teams PS and had zero production. 
 

He was an integral part of righting the ship, but unfortunately the writing was on the wall for him. 

 

I think Beasley probably did have some offers he turned down, for example from the Giants.

Edited October 6, 2022 by Beck Water

[iccrewman112]

10 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

He alluded to a few things but I wouldnt classify it as a bunch of crap.  It was mostly around the COVID Protocols and the front office not having his back more.

 

Good player for us, and will never forget the guy playing on a broken leg.  Despite the COVID stuff, it was obvious his skills were starting to diminish.   Glad he gets to spend time with his wife and kids.  Never a bad thing to be a 33 year old retired multimillionaire.

… and has a promising rap career

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Beasley is washed. Stop living in the past.  He helped turn us around but father time said its over.

Oh I agree. I'm not talking about Beasley in its current form. He's beat up, small, and lacks the quick burst. It was time for him to go. I was just saying the good version of Beasley was pretty good. He made some big plays. 

[US Egg]

Beasley cut his hair?

 

Where have I heard this before about lost locks affecting oneself.

 

…..or was it an injured Achilles.

Edited October 6, 2022 by I am the egg man

[Doc Brown]

8 hours ago, DapperCam said:

I wonder if the Bucs were going to release him and gave him the option of retirement to save face.

Could be or they asked him to get a flu shot.

[GunnerBill]

He was clearly struggling by the end of last year. I like him but it is time.

[K-9]

11 hours ago, Beck Water said:

I think Beasley probably did have some offers he turned down, for example from the Giants.

Strongly doubt that. Daboll and Schoen both knew better. 

[Matt_In_NH]

17 hours ago, DapperCam said:

I wonder if the Bucs were going to release him and gave him the option of retirement to save face.

that is what I thought too.....they might have offered a practice squad spot and he was like peace out.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Kelvin Benjamin, Andre Homes, Jeremey Kerley, Andre Roberts, Cole Beasley, John Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Jameson Crowder. 

 

Like running back (Tolbert, Ivory, Gore, Dimarco, Yeldon, Breida) this team has a thing for older veterans playing ahead of younger players at the twilight of their careers. 

 

We hang on to these guys, but they're out of gas by Week 7, see Frank Gore v Devin Singletary in 2019 or Emmanuel Sanders v Gabe Davis in 2021. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[newcam2012]

18 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Kelvin Benjamin, Andre Homes, Jeremey Kerley, Andre Roberts, Cole Beasley, John Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Jameson Crowder. 

 

Like running back (Tolbert, Ivory, Gore, Dimarco, Yeldon, Breida) this team has a thing for older veterans playing ahead of younger players at the twilight of their careers. 

 

We hang on to these guys, but they're out of gas by Week 7, see Frank Gore v Devin Singletary in 2019 or Emmanuel Sanders v Gabe Davis in 2021. 

Bring up Duke Johnson. He still can contribute.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

that is what I thought too.....they might have offered a practice squad spot and he was like peace out.

 

They signed him to the practice squad and he was elevated and reverted there after the GB game.  I'm not sure whether he was signed or just elevated again, point is he came to the Bucs on the practice squad.

[machine gun kelly]

How’s you like to be the idiot who ordered his Beasely Bucs jersey and hasn’t even arrive at his house.  That’s about as valuable as a Wang Bills jersey.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

Bring up Duke Johnson. He still can contribute.

 

I mean if Duke Johnson is getting touches above Singletary or Cook, I'm not in favor of that. 

 

If he replaces Zack Moss on gameday, ok, but he should never be necessary. 

[Beck Water]

12 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

What I am saying for the three years he played in Buffalo he had 231 catches that is NOT easily replaced. Especially when you are hoping a rookie in Shakur produces near that level. 

 

I don't think the Bills were "hoping a rookie produces at that level".

 

If we want to talk numbers, like sheer number of catches - in 2021, Beasley had 5.1 R/G for 43.3 Y/G and 2.1 1st D/G.  In 2020, 5.5 R/G, 64.5 Y/G, 3.5 1st/G

 

The Bills idea has clearly been to replace Beas with a platoon of McKenzie (the speedy man-beater) and Crowder (the zone gap technician).  So far, they have 5.3 R/G, 53.3 Y/G, and 3.2 1st/G which is squarely in the territory of Beasley's production, and in fact better than he produced last year.

 

Now of course, Crowder is hurt, but it's notable that he has the smaller share of the snaps and numbers (1.5 R/G, 15 Y/G and 1 1st/G), so it doesn't seem too unreasonable to expect a rookie to backfill that.

[Matt_In_NH]

14 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

They signed him to the practice squad and he was elevated and reverted there after the GB game.  I'm not sure whether he was signed or just elevated again, point is he came to the Bucs on the practice squad.

I know.....but being elevated gives him real game checks...now that the other three receivers were back, that may have changed.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Strongly doubt that. Daboll and Schoen both knew better. 

 

I don't know.  The Giants need that crafty vet, always-open outlet for Jones, and having a player coach his QB what to look at is better in some ways than having a coach say the same stuff.  So it actually seems plausible to me.

 

People on both sides of the issue like to craft some great political docudrama about Beasley's release, but IMHO it was at its heart, a pay for production issue.  The Bills have moved on from totally apolitical inoffensive guys like John Brown who were productive the previous year because their pay vs. production no longer made sense for the team.   I believe their decision on Beasley had the same basis, based not just on what we see on the field but also on details of the GPS tracking during games and practice, their visits to the training room, the amount of pain medication they require to play etc etc

 

Point is the Giants are in a different place than the Bills, and having that player educator/always open outlet for Jones could be valuable for them even if they know he's lost a step.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

13 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

It was a bad look for him to be relentlessly discussing a Health issue, that was unfortunately, intertwined with politics.

I didn't give a rat's @ss about his beliefs, but It's the kind of thing, (IMO) that can potentially divide a team, and I think that it was one reason, why he was let go.

I understand your point here, but that vax issue was a very hot button deal at the time.  With the approach the NFL took to it all, there was no real flying under the radar to begin with.  Lots of people did care about his beliefs and had no problem sharing their feelings with him.  In context, for some, he went from beloved and quirky 'great get' and fan favorite to being a pariah to some.  When you add in the fact that he took it personally when some fans turned on him...it was a recipe for the type of ugliness we saw.  

 

As for division at the team level, I always figured on a percentage basis, had the vax been optional, a high percentage of players would have forgone getting it.  I base that on the fact that a fair amount of these guys are under 30, high performing athletes, and have a willingness to expose their bodies to traumatic injury on a regular basis.   Add in a high percentage of players come from communities the expert's suggest are typically vax hesitant...I'd think what caused a lot of players to get vaxed was the money element and pressure by the league.  

 

In the end, I was happy when we signed CB, happy he was a Bill and thought he was damn fun to watch.  It's a shame it ended with (some) hard feelings, but it was a fun ride.

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I don't know.  The Giants need that crafty vet, always-open outlet for Jones, and having a player coach his QB what to look at is better in some ways than having a coach say the same stuff.  So it actually seems plausible to me.

 

People on both sides of the issue like to craft some great political docudrama about Beasley's release, but IMHO it was at its heart, a pay for production issue.  The Bills have moved on from totally apolitical inoffensive guys like John Brown who were productive the previous year because their pay vs. production no longer made sense for the team.   I believe their decision on Beasley had the same basis, based not just on what we see on the field but also on details of the GPS tracking during games and practice, their visits to the training room, the amount of pain medication they require to play etc etc

 

Point is the Giants are in a different place than the Bills, and having that player educator/always open outlet for Jones could be valuable for them even if they know he's lost a step.

If they had any inkling that Beasley still had the chops to be that “crafty, always-open outlet for Jones”  they would have done it months ago. But like I said, they both knew better that his physical skills had eroded. Plus, they had a front row seat to his two month long hissy fit around the building last year. 

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

If they had any inkling that Beasley still had the chops to be that “crafty, always-open outlet for Jones”  they would have done it months ago. But like I said, they both knew better that his physical skills had eroded. Plus, they had a front row seat to his two month long hissy fit around the building last year. 

 

I think Beasley is sincere in not wanting to play for a NYS team, even one that plays in New Joisey.  I also think he was sincere in wanting to play for a team with a chance to compete for a championship.  But he just found out that the latter doesn't want him.

Edited October 6, 2022 by Beck Water

[eball]

...'bout time to send this over to Off the Wall, no?  Isn't that where we go if we want to discuss washed up retirees?

 

[newcam2012]

32 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 

I mean if Duke Johnson is getting touches above Singletary or Cook, I'm not in favor of that. 

 

If he replaces Zack Moss on gameday, ok, but he should never be necessary. 

Singletary is the clear number one. He's serviceable or better and he's got a great rapport with Allen. Duke would be the number 2 to relieve Singletary and the 3rd down back. I think he's better than Moss and way better than the rookie Cook. Especially, if you want immediate help. Cook looks like he's a project. Do the Bills have the patience and luxury to let him grow? Thus far, he's been a liability. 

[thenorthremembers]

34 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

It was a bad look for him to be relentlessly discussing a Health issue, that was unfortunately, intertwined with politics.

I didn't give a rat's @ss about his beliefs, but It's the kind of thing, (IMO) that can potentially divide a team, and I think that it was one reason, why he was let go.

He asked for a trade and then was released when they couldnt find someone to trade for him.    I also dont think he was discussing a "health issue" he was discussing his rights as a human not to seek proactive medical treatment.     He was the one facing backlash online and in the stadium for not allowing public opinion to sway his beliefs.  Personally I feel like that backlash was ignorant, misguided, and carried out by people who want you to fall in line with popular opinion regardless of facts.   Ironically, its generally those same people who spout off about temperance and acceptance of personal beliefs (as long as they share those same beliefs, otherwise here comes the pitchforks) 

 

 A football team is made of people from all races, religions, and political beliefs, if the culture was bad enough to allow Cole's beliefs to alter the way they played football then the problem wasn't on Cole.   He wasnt out getting arrested, he just wasnt following public opinion, and given the way the NFL has totally backed off of the restrictions they placed on their players, he also wasnt wrong.    Bottom line is the guy was a fantastic player for the team.  He didnt divide the team.  He was let go because he asked to be let go and his decline as an athlete coupled with a more restrictive salary cap made that decision a lot easier for the Bills.

[DrDawkinstein]

19 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I don't know.  The Giants need that crafty vet, always-open outlet for Jones, and having a player coach his QB what to look at is better in some ways than having a coach say the same stuff.  So it actually seems plausible to me.

 

People on both sides of the issue like to craft some great political docudrama about Beasley's release, but IMHO it was at its heart, a pay for production issue.  The Bills have moved on from totally apolitical inoffensive guys like John Brown who were productive the previous year because their pay vs. production no longer made sense for the team.   I believe their decision on Beasley had the same basis, based not just on what we see on the field but also on details of the GPS tracking during games and practice, their visits to the training room, the amount of pain medication they require to play etc etc

 

Point is the Giants are in a different place than the Bills, and having that player educator/always open outlet for Jones could be valuable for them even if they know he's lost a step.

 

I dont disagree there. I think the Bills were ready to move on based on production/health/age/cost, and Bease did his classic "You cant fire me, I quit!" routine, just like he did in Dallas, and just like he did in Tampa when their WRs came back. His ego can't handle getting cut/released/traded, so he makes up his own reasons on his way out and he and his agent send it out before the team gets a chance to simply cut him like any other player transaction.

[Simon]

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