Can someone PLEASE explain the holding rules to me like I'm 8?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I mean, really?

 

[MAJBobby]

Sure. 
 

holding can be called on every NFL play. Is that the type Of football you want to watch?  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Sure. 
 

holding can be called on every NFL play. Is that the type Of football you want to watch?  

Bob, really.

 

That's BLATANT, it's a chokehold!

 

[stevewin]

[1ManRaid]

Many refs are afraid to impact the game in big moments.  They already get a lot of crap from both fanbases in every game, so if they're already damned if they do/don't, they'll err on the side of not drawing attention to themselves in the biggest moments sometimes and just let things play out.

[Orlando Tim]

3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

I mean, really?

 

That one I accept much more than the one earlier in game where our DB was literally being grabbed from behind. Plays like above should probably be called but sometimes it is hard to see in the speed of game.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Bob, really.

 

That's BLATANT, it's a chokehold!

 

Again can be called on every NFL play. I can go pull screen shots of a hold from a Bills player as well. 

[CountDorkula]

Refs are bad, go to the Ravens board, the majority of the gameday thread of theirs was complaining about not getting calls.

 

Stop complaining about them.

[Orlando Tim]

2 minutes ago, stevewin said:

I truly believe the garbage OPI call a few plays later was a makeup call for this one, but I would prefer they just call this.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

 

It happened over and over all game long. There were so many missed holding calls on the Ravens yesterday.

[1ManRaid]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

Again can be called on every NFL play. I can go pull screen shots of a hold from a Bills player as well. 

 

Chokeholds should be called every time and are NOT on every play.  Only the most diehard of delusional homers would object to these "in broad daylight" holds being called as penalties.

[Captain Caveman]

I noticed yesterday the referees in the offensive backfield were calling nothing (I don't think we had any holds called against our line, right?) and the guys on the defensive ball were much more likely to call defensive holding, PI, etc... (although they still let them play, and a few close calls where the DB got there early they let go.)

[JoPoy88]

Boger and his crew are one of the worst in the game. Just completely inconsistent every game they crew. Should’ve been fired years ago.

[Freddie's Dead]

We talkin' 'bout egregious....

 

[1ManRaid]

3 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

I truly believe the garbage OPI call a few plays later was a makeup call for this one, but I would prefer they just call this.

 

Are you talking about the play that was the literal textbook definition of OPI?  I think people get blinded to clear examples of penalties because much more egregious blown calls have happened in the past.

[Billz4ever]

11 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

I mean, really?

 

and this

 

 

[JohnnyBuffalo]

My guess is the ref was looking at a different part of the line when that’s happening.   I mean you just sometimes miss stuff.   They are human after all.   I mean it looks fast on TV imagine what that’s like live and up close!   They do get the call right a heck of a lot of times.   It’s unfortunate when a call does feel as if it changes the momentum of the play though.  
 

Go Bills!

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Chokeholds should be called every time and are NOT on every play.  Only the most diehard of delusional homers would object to these "in broad daylight" holds being called as penalties.

Again shall i go screen shot the take downs from Dawkins and others and complain about them not being called? 

[ArdmoreRyno]

51 minutes ago, JohnnyBuffalo said:

My guess is the ref was looking at a different part of the line when that’s happening.   I mean you just sometimes miss stuff.   They are human after all.   I mean it looks fast on TV imagine what that’s like live and up close!   They do get the call right a heck of a lot of times.   It’s unfortunate when a call does feel as if it changes the momentum of the play though.  
 

Go Bills!

 

Most of those plays there are two officials in the backfield. They just ignored the holds... all game long. I pulled my 71-year old dad into the living room to show him the replay (DVR since they didn't show it on the broadcast) of the CLEAR hold against Jackson early in the game where Lamar hit a WR on a 3rd and long play, to just confirm I wasn't seeing things. He said... "oh wow, how do they not call that? He was going full speed at him and was yanked back." 

Edited October 3, 2022 by ArdmoreRyno

[Buffalo Junction]

5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Boger and his crew are one of the worst in the game. Just completely inconsistent every game they crew. Should’ve been fired years ago.

The inconsistency with Boger and crew is the biggest issue. Most crews have tendencies (calls RTP, doesn’t call holding, etc) that teams can rely upon to even out the calls. Boger’s crew just seems to me more random with what they see and call which puts the results into question. 

Edited October 3, 2022 by Buffalo Junction

[1ManRaid]

1 minute ago, JohnnyBuffalo said:

My guess is the ref was looking at a different part of the line when that’s happening.   I mean you just sometimes miss stuff.   They are human after all.   I mean it looks fast on TV imagine what that’s like live and up close!   They do get the call right a heck of a lot of times.   It’s unfortunate when a call does feel as if it changes the momentum of the play though.  
 

Go Bills!

 

But this is a literal case of "you had ONE job".  If casual fans can spot these blatantly egregious holds, it should be a piece of cake for the "professionals" to see it as well.  There should be a supplement official who watches the game and buzzes in when there's an obvious "comon how could you miss that" penalty.

[JohnnyBuffalo]

2 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Most of those plays there are two officials in the backfield. They just ignored the holds... all game long. 

Have no issue with that as long as it was even for both teams and I felt it was that way most of the game.  
 

Actually if anything it felt as though Bills benefited more than the Ravens did yesterday.  

[1ManRaid]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Again shall i go screen shot the take downs from Dawkins and others and complain about them not being called? 

 

Please do.

[davefan66]

For sure holding can be called on every play.  I get “let them play”.  What I don’t like is when it can change the game. Several times yesterday our guys were blatantly held and no call.  The one hold led them to a TD a few plays later.  
 

Be consistent.  Call them on both teams the same way, don’t give teams an advantage through officiating.

[JohnnyBuffalo]

1 minute ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

But this is a literal case of "you had ONE job".  If casual fans can spot these blatantly egregious holds, it should be a piece of cake for the "professionals" to see it as well.  There should be a supplement official who watches the game and buzzes in when there's an obvious "comon how could you miss that" penalty.

I hear you but man that would slow things down so much.   There are too many commercials I have to mute as it is!

 

haha

[Dan Darragh]

12 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

Only the most diehard of delusional homers would object to these "in broad daylight" holds being called as penalties.

Which to say, nearly all of the people on this board.

[yall]

18 minutes ago, stevewin said:

This is the play that had me yelling at my TV:

 

"How the ***** is that not holding?!?!?!"

[Don Otreply]

9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Again shall i go screen shot the take downs from Dawkins and others and complain about them not being called? 

Actually you should do that, it could help folk have a better overall perspective on the issue, jmo. 

[billrooter]

21 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Sure. 
 

holding can be called on every NFL play. Is that the type Of football you want to watch?  

Wow really that is for response to a photo like that?? That is as blatant as it gets, at least judging by that photo.

[CountDorkula]

5 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Please do.

How about the roughing the Passer call on Josh Allen late in the game?

 

That's about as ticky tack as it gets, though josh sold it well. 

[Golden*Wheels]

I can actually accept some of the holds you see where the guy is on the SIDE, they're quick and just part of every play. But we had at least two where their guy was BEHIND our guy dragging on our jersey. Used to be, you even see that and a jersey is getting stretched, that flag is coming out.

 

Perusing the Ravens forums, they think they got screwed by the refs too, sooooooooooooo.....compromise? LOL. Some of them are HOT about Lamar not getting that first going out of bounds.

[1ManRaid]

2 minutes ago, JohnnyBuffalo said:

I hear you but man that would slow things down so much.   There are too many commercials I have to mute as it is!

 

haha

 

Then so be it, let it slow things down.  The players will adjust faster than you think.  It's like objecting to baseball players being busted for steroids because you like seeing home runs.  It's not the point.

[Billz4ever]

12 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Again shall i go screen shot the take downs from Dawkins and others and complain about them not being called? 

Please do.  Takedowns are not necessarily holding. 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, billrooter said:

Wow really that is for response to a photo like that?? That is as blatant as it gets, at least judging by that photo.

Yes that is the response because you know what those plays happen EVERY FREAKING snap.  and every freaking week there are post crying about the refs missed calls on every board, swing on over to the ravens board and read what they thing of the Refs.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

How about the roughing the Passer call on Josh Allen late in the game?

 

That's about as ticky tack as it gets, though josh sold it well. 

I'd rather they make proper calls rather than balancing the scales with bad ones.

 

[HamSandwhich]

21 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

It happened over and over all game long. There were so many missed holding calls on the Ravens yesterday.

I’ve never yelled at the TV over and over again about holding, they were so blatant!

[MAJBobby]

Where is the complaining about the Missed PI on Poyer? That ended the Ravens Drive

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

How about the roughing the Passer call on Josh Allen late in the game?

 

That's about as ticky tack as it gets, though josh sold it well. 

 

It wasn't a hard hit; however, the defensive player pulled up, had his head up, and saw that Allen had already thrown the pass, and then continued on to hit Allen. It was the hesitation and then the contact after the ball had been released. It is going to be called almost every time.

[Steptide]

29 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

I mean, really?

 

The linemen still has his hand on the bills players shoulder and I believe this isn't technically a hold, depending on when he let go of him

[1ManRaid]

3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

How about the roughing the Passer call on Josh Allen late in the game?

 

That's about as ticky tack as it gets, though josh sold it well. 

 

You mean the one where he stutter stepped, then still went through with the tackle making NO effort to let up after the ball had already zipped by his head?  Textbook definition of RTP.

 

2 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said:

I can actually accept some of the holds you see where the guy is on the SIDE, they're quick and just part of every play. But we had at least two where their guy was BEHIND our guy dragging on our jersey. Used to be, you even see that and a jersey is getting stretched, that flag is coming out.

 

Perusing the Ravens forums, they think they got screwed by the refs too, sooooooooooooo.....compromise? LOL. Some of them are HOT about Lamar not getting that first going out of bounds.

 

Ravens fans aren't the most intelligent or rules literate of fanbases.  By simple math, the team that got more penalties are often the team that actually got more favor from the refs.  If the refs are being equally crap to both sides, blowing/missing calls in equal frequency, the dirtier/less disciplined team is going to have more of their fouls missed.  In my opinion, that was clearly the case in this game.