Bonehead play of year nominee

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I actually bet that the odds were worse for the browns to win if Chubb had stopped short. That is, the odds of a muffed/fumbled snap on any of the three kneel downs probably was greater than what actually happened. 

 

I don’t know about that, but the real issue is that twice prior to that Hunt went out of bounds including the play before with 2:02 left.

 

If Chubb goes down the clock stops with 1:55 and it is 2nd down (unless he just slides at the 2, but either way the bigger issue was Hunt.

 

 

 

 

Did anyone notice who the holder for the Browns is?  Good old Bojo holding on a missed XP - coincidence?

 

Hmm.

Edited September 20, 2022 by Rochesterfan

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

11 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I don’t know about that, but the real issue is that twice prior to that Hunt went out of bounds including the play before with 2:02 left.

 

If Chubb goes down the clock stops with 1:55 and it is 2nd down (unless he just slides at the 2, but either way the bigger issue was Hunt.

 

 

 

 

Did anyone notice who the holder for the Browns is?  Good old Bojo holding on a missed XP - coincidence?

 

Hmm.

haha— I had no idea Bojo is in Cleveland now. That is classic. I am going to have to go back and see if the laces were out! 
 

Edit: holy cow! I went back and watched it and sure enough, the laces were in on the kick! It was bojo’s fault!!!  Stop this at 13:07:

 

 

Edited September 20, 2022 by Miyagi-Do Karate

[NoSaint]

34 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I would love to see an analysis of the different odds there between three kneel downs and Chubb scoring. But it is hard to beat the near 100% that the browns were at after Chubb scored. 

You’re talking fumble on a kneel down (got to be about single digit times in the modern era). Then defense recover that ultra rare fumble. Then offense goes 90 yards to score and convert the extra point. And then win in overtime.

 

compared to score (common), onside (like 10%), score from mid field (common minus time constraints). And possibly be in overtime from there. 
 

both very rare but obviously the second is far more viable. 

Edited September 20, 2022 by NoSaint

[Simon]

Not nearly as stupid as Simmons jumping offside on 4th/1 inside the 5 when everybody in the stadium knew they weren't snapping the ball.

[Freddie's Dead]

37 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

you put snot, on the ball?

 

Crisco...Bardol...Vagisil....a little jalapeno up my nose....

[Mr. WEO]

Stefanski the latest in a long line of Browns boneheads.. 

[StHustle]

No team has ever come back down two TDs with no timeouts and under two minutes left. I can see how’s voting didn’t seem like a bonehead move considering all the circumstances. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I totally disagree. He is going into score with about a minute left to make it a 14-point game. That wins the game. 
 

I don’t think it is fair to blame Chubb for the kicker missing a PAT, the defense folding on a long TD, the jets recovering an onsides kick, and the defense collapsing again.  When Chubb scored, the Browns had a 99% win probability. 

Yes, but kneeling makes it a 100% percent probability. Whether you’re playing against the Jets or the 2007 Pats, it’s a stupid decision. Just like not squib kicking it when there’s only 13 seconds left. It’s start with the coaching…

[Billsatlastin2018]

18 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Yes. He did it before.

 

 

 

THIS! ^^^^ 

 

I didn’t see the Sunday play at the time, but when I did, I immediately recalled that Chubb was involved in an identical situation.

 

So, while the HC should have reminded him, it’s on Chubb. He knew what to do from his OWN prior history! 
 

There was a lotta stupid in Week 2, but this was the worst.

 

(Addendum: I trust McDermott has gone over ‘13 Seconds’ 1000x by now to ensure HE does it perfectly the next time!)

[1ManRaid]

19 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Yes. He did it before.

 

 

 

 

The amount of people in that thread who don't understand the basic concept of kneeling it out for the win rather than giving the other team the ball back, makes me sad.  So many idiots screaming rigged.

[Greg S]

(2) Boomer Esiason on Twitter: "The Jets had lost 39 straight games when they trailed by at least 13 points at any point in the game. @NFLonCBS #NFLTODAY" / Twitter

[pocoboy]

20 hours ago, djp14150 said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34631088/cleveland-browns-rb-nick-chubb-admits-scoring-late-td-vs-new-york-jets-cost-us-game
 

Chubb admits fault…it’s the coaches fault.

 

for a referescher.

 

Browns at 12 first and 10 after the 2 min warning. The jets were out of time outs.

 

you should do just 3 kneel downs and win

 

instead browns give the ball to Chubb and he scores a TD. Miss XP

 

Jets get KO and on 2nd play get a 64 yd blown coverage TD

onside kick recovery

score another TD

XP wins game.

briwns had some time with time outs to get into FG or Hail Mary range. QB throws a pick.

 

 

Man, I sure am glad that the league isn't actively doing business with bookmakers, because this would sure look like a fix job (especially the Browns coverage guy along the sideline on the onside kick who just seems to stare into space and do nothing).

[Scott7975]

J  E  T  S    JETS JETS JETS!

[Rochesterfan]

I will repeat that Chubb should of known better, but his TD run started at 2:02 - without a 1st down (sliding down inside the 2) the Browns couldn’t run out the clock.

 

The Bonehead was Kareem Hunt - he cost the Browns the game.  The Browns scored on a 42 yard drive that took just 35 seconds and was 6 plays, but the biggest issue is twice after getting 1st downs - Hunt ran OB before the 2 minute warning and both times he was well past the 1st down line and just needed to get down.

 

1st on 3rd and 6 with 2:15 left - Hunt catches an 11 yard swing pass and goes out of bound taking only 6 seconds and leaving the Jets 1 time out.

 

Then after using a timeout on Hunts next run- Hunt breaks outside for 11 yards and goes out of bound with 2:02 left.  That was egregious.

 

That made it 1st down from the 12 and of course then Chubb scores.  The only chance the Jets had was if Chubb scored and then he did them that favor.

 

That was terrible coaching and more importantly terrible field awareness by 2 veteran players - and I hope that costs the Browns their season.  Stupid team, Stupid coach, Stupid organization.

 

 

[RyanC883]

On 9/20/2022 at 5:47 PM, djp14150 said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34631088/cleveland-browns-rb-nick-chubb-admits-scoring-late-td-vs-new-york-jets-cost-us-game
 

Chubb admits fault…it’s the coaches fault.

 

for a referescher.

 

Browns at 12 first and 10 after the 2 min warning. The jets were out of time outs.

 

you should do just 3 kneel downs and win

 

instead browns give the ball to Chubb and he scores a TD. Miss XP

 

Jets get KO and on 2nd play get a 64 yd blown coverage TD

onside kick recovery

score another TD

XP wins game.

briwns had some time with time outs to get into FG or Hail Mary range. QB throws a pick.

 

 

this sounds like something that would have happened to us not so long ago

[Billsatlastin2018]

4 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

The amount of people in that thread who don't understand the basic concept of kneeling it out for the win rather than giving the other team the ball back, makes me sad.  So many idiots screaming rigged.

It’s a CRITICAL end of game indice for a HC. In 2022, there is ZERO excuse. A HC is paid mega millions to be an expert in multi components of the game and end of game, time management is at the top of the list!

 

I’ve said for a decade, that EVERY HC interview must have at least a 1/2 dozen, end of game, time, down and distance questions, to each be answered in < 10 seconds.
 

You simply MUST know the answers and exactly what to do and get that imparted.

And with 13 seconds to go, 🙄you absolutely call a TO to instruct every critical aspect with those who you are relying on for the W.

[frostbitmic]

On 9/20/2022 at 6:16 PM, Gugny said:

This is almost as bad as not telling your kicker to squib it.

How does a squib kick help you in that situation ?

 

The clock doesn't start until a player on the receiving team touches the ball. If the player just falls on it, he's giving himself up and the clock doesn't move, or it takes just a tenth or two off the clock as the play is over.

 

The kickoff was fine, not holding all of their receivers on first down cost them the game. That and calling not one but two time outs so the Chiefs could talk it over on what to do.

[JoPoy88]

On 9/20/2022 at 5:47 PM, djp14150 said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34631088/cleveland-browns-rb-nick-chubb-admits-scoring-late-td-vs-new-york-jets-cost-us-game
 

Chubb admits fault…it’s the coaches fault.

 

for a referescher.

 

Browns at 12 first and 10 after the 2 min warning. The jets were out of time outs.

 

you should do just 3 kneel downs and win

 

instead browns give the ball to Chubb and he scores a TD. Miss XP

 

Jets get KO and on 2nd play get a 64 yd blown coverage TD

onside kick recovery

score another TD

XP wins game.

briwns had some time with time outs to get into FG or Hail Mary range. QB throws a pick.

 

unless he times a dive perfectly, very difficult to stop past the 1st down marker and short of the goalline. Chubb wasn’t the reason they blew that

[njbuff]

I don't blame Chubb in the least.

 

You go up TWO scores with less than two minutes left in the game and the other team has NO time outs..........

 

it's next to impossible for a team to lose the game at that point.

 

The blame FULLY goes on the Browns D for allowing Joe freaking Flacco, that's right Joe Flacco, to march down the field TWICE in less than two minutes.

 

Plus, the Browns ST's allowed the Jets to recover an onside kick.

 

A lot had to go right for the Jets to win the game after Chubb crossed the goal line and the Browns did Browns things to allow the Jets to steal the game.

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I don't blame Chubb in the least.

 

You go up TWO scores with less than two minutes left in the game and the other team has NO time outs..........

 

it's next to impossible for a team to lose the game at that point.

 

The blame FULLY goes on the Browns D for allowing Joe freaking Flacco, that's right Joe Flacco, to march down the field TWICE in less than two minutes.

 

Plus, the Browns ST's allowed the Jets to recover an onside kick.

 

A lot had to go right for the Jets to win the game after Chubb crossed the goal line and the Browns did Browns things to allow the Jets to steal the game.

💯 💯 

[Rochesterfan]

9 hours ago, njbuff said:

I don't blame Chubb in the least.

 

You go up TWO scores with less than two minutes left in the game and the other team has NO time outs..........

 

it's next to impossible for a team to lose the game at that point.

 

The blame FULLY goes on the Browns D for allowing Joe freaking Flacco, that's right Joe Flacco, to march down the field TWICE in less than two minutes.

 

Plus, the Browns ST's allowed the Jets to recover an onside kick.

 

A lot had to go right for the Jets to win the game after Chubb crossed the goal line and the Browns did Browns things to allow the Jets to steal the game.

 

I agree - you don’t blame Chubb, but watching that drive - I do blame Hunt who twice went out of bounds well after picking up the 1st downs that cost them a ton of time.  Stay inbounds and the Browns win.

 

Now Chubb could of easily just ran out of bounds at the 1 because the 2 minute warning was after his play - so the clock was stopping either way, but I think that had little outcome - it was decisions before and poor coaching after that cost them the game.

 

 

9 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

unless he times a dive perfectly, very difficult to stop past the 1st down marker and short of the goalline. Chubb wasn’t the reason they blew that

 

I agree, but as this was the play that took the clock to the 2minute warning - so the clock was stopping- he could of ran OOB at the 1 - much like he did years ago and guaranteed the win.

 

I don’t blame Chubb - Hunt was a much bigger issue - but that was bad situational football for an offense that entire drive.

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

On 9/20/2022 at 5:47 PM, djp14150 said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34631088/cleveland-browns-rb-nick-chubb-admits-scoring-late-td-vs-new-york-jets-cost-us-game
 

Chubb admits fault…it’s the coaches fault.

 

for a referescher.

 

Browns at 12 first and 10 after the 2 min warning. The jets were out of time outs.

 

you should do just 3 kneel downs and win

 

instead browns give the ball to Chubb and he scores a TD. Miss XP

 

Jets get KO and on 2nd play get a 64 yd blown coverage TD

onside kick recovery

score another TD

XP wins game.

briwns had some time with time outs to get into FG or Hail Mary range. QB throws a pick.

 

I can’t remember the player, but we had during the drought era one of our guys ready to go into the end zone, but then there would be time left so the player fell down on the one yard line.  It was a really smart play.

 

It says a lot about Chubb to take ownership, but DJP, I agree with you, this was a Stefanski error.  Those players should’ve been told the game plan is to eat clock, not score.

 

To think Stefanski won coach of the year over McD makes me sick to my stomach.  I know the writers like the turnaround story, but what about the Coach who methodically improves his team play. Successfully for three years straight after cleaning up a mess.  I’ve often written IDC about pro bowls, top 100, and whatever power ranking is posted.  OPOY, DPOY, ROY, MVP, ALL PRO, COY, AND GMOY are significant awards.

 

Well see who is the better coach week 11 when we destroy Cleveland!  That’s what you get for making the worst financial trade for a QB ever who is one hair away from a rapist.

[BillsFanSD]

Sure, it would have been nice for Chubb to give himself up at the 1, but the Browns are still going to win 99%+ of the time whether he scores or not.  And it's completely unrealistic to expect an NFL player to intentionally not score unless he's told to do so by a coach.  Chubb's failure to make a smart play isn't a boneheaded play.  His coaching staff should have been more situationally aware.

[djp14150]

2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

I can’t remember the player, but we had during the drought era one of our guys ready to go into the end zone, but then there would be time left so the player fell down on the one yard line.  It was a really smart play.

 

It says a lot about Chubb to take ownership, but DJP, I agree with you, this was a Stefanski error.  Those players should’ve been told the game plan is to eat clock, not score.

 

To think Stefanski won coach of the year over McD makes me sick to my stomach.  I know the writers like the turnaround story, but what about the Coach who methodically improves his team play. Successfully for three years straight after cleaning up a mess.  I’ve often written IDC about pro bowls, top 100, and whatever power ranking is posted.  OPOY, DPOY, ROY, MVP, ALL PRO, COY, AND GMOY are significant awards.

 

Well see who is the better coach week 11 when we destroy Cleveland!  That’s what you get for making the worst financial trade for a QB ever who is one hair away from a rapist.

 

i can’t re all who it was but I recall that.

 

then there was the New England game at buffalo. Just under 2 and nNE out of time outs. We were down by 2, near the goal line. Kneeling just to burn the clock and kick a FG to win .  The patricheats players tried to push him into the end zone and got a unsportsmanlike/ personal foul.  Buffalo won 33-30 a FG with clock expiring.

 

there are a few games every year where the offensive team is down 2, 1, tied, or is up by 1 and the D is letting them score but the player goes down.

Edited September 22, 2022 by djp14150

[machine gun kelly]

5 hours ago, djp14150 said:

 

i can’t re all who it was but I recall that.

 

then there was the New England game at buffalo. Just under 2 and nNE out of time outs. We were down by 2, near the goal line. Kneeling just to burn the clock and kick a FG to win .  The patricheats players tried to push him into the end zone and got a unsportsmanlike/ personal foul.  Buffalo won 33-30 a FG with clock expiring.

 

there are a few games every year where the offensive team is down 2, 1, tied, or is up by 1 and the D is letting them score but the player goes down.

 

Im stuck on boring zoom calls for work today (always angle the laptop up so you can check you’re TBD when it’s bla bla, bla, bla, bla, bla).  I think it was Troy Vincent at the end of his career hear in Buffalo after Philly.  I don’t remember if a fumble or int, but he ran down the field and then just dropped to the ground on the one yard line.  Such a smart move from a veteran as he knew exactly what to do.

 

One of these “A beautiful minds guys” who remember every play for the last 50 years probably know the point of reference.  Anyway,  good topic DJP.

[Charles Romes]

In that Browns Jets situation the coaches have to go in and demand three kneel downs. You should not even be risking injury to your D by forcing them to play a possession.  I was pissed at Moss fumbling v. the Rams just because of the injury exposure factor. 

[Big Turk]

On 9/20/2022 at 5:51 PM, Warcodered said:

I don't know I did see the end of the Broncos Seahawks game.

 

I think Nathaniel Hackett will have solidified the top 5 spots by the time the season is done.