John from Riverside Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said: The biggest concern with the Chiefs is how their front office seems to keep striking gold and finding multiple starters/possible stars each year in the draft. Brett Veach is truly the best in the business based on what he's done the last 3 years. McDuffie had zero yards allowed in coverage before leaving with an injury Karlafits had 6 pressures at DE Moore had a big kick return and reception Pacheco had almost 100 all purpose yards and a TD. If this continues I really don't see how the Bills can touch this team as long as Reid and Mahomes are there to reap all these rewards. They can touch this team because beane is doing the exact same thing And they didn’t need more stars because Buffalo returned in almost entire roster intact except for its defense of line which it upgraded dramatically Just because the topic of the thread is what teams make you nervous doesn’t mean that I don’t think we can touch the Chiefs Von Miller is going to eat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: They can touch this team because beane is doing the exact same thing And they didn’t need more stars because Buffalo returned in almost entire roster intact except for its defense of line which it upgraded dramatically Just because the topic of the thread is what teams make you nervous doesn’t mean that I don’t think we can touch the Chiefs Von Miller is going to eat Chiefs may have the best oline in the NFL which to me is going to be the difference against them this year despite our new look dline. How the Bills (and every other team) missed out on a guy like Creed Humphrey is mind boggling. As far as Beane having the same success I still disagree for 2 main reasons: 1) No SB appearances or win yet 2) Chiefs are further ahead in the window/process than Bills are and have already proven they can be as good, if not better than previous chiefs teams that had guys like Hill, Honey Badger, etc. Bills are likely going to lose some key guys like the chiefs did after this year and it will have to prove they can compensate for that like the Chiefs apparently have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Chiefs may have the best oline in the NFL which to me is going to be the difference against them this year despite our new look dline. How the Bills (and every other team) missed out on a guy like Creed Humphrey is mind boggling. As far as Beane having the same success I still disagree for 2 main reasons: 1) No SB appearances or win yet 2) Chiefs are further ahead in the window/process than Bills are and have already proven they can be as good, if not better than previous chiefs teams that had guys like Hill, Honey Badger, etc. Bills are likely going to lose some key guys like the chiefs did after this year and it will have to prove they can compensate for that like the Chiefs apparently have. So you’re saying that being has not shown the ability to replace key guys I want some of what you’re smoking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 4 hours ago, LabattBlue said: I wonder if even losing Kelce would slow Mahomes down? Mahomes is one of the best but part of that is Andy Reids offense. Its tough to defend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 25 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: So you’re saying that being has not shown the ability to replace key guys I want some of what you’re smoking He really hasn't had to yet, if anything he's upgraded certain positions which is a great thing. But what I'm getting at is what's he going to do next year when Allen's contract kicks in like Mahomes did recently. How are guys like Poyer going to be replaced because we all know this is his last year here. Pretty sure Edmunds will walk too even though I don't think that will be a big loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 The Browns new logo "Brownie the Elf" is scary. LOL @cleveland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) The Miami parking lot scares me. Edited September 13, 2022 by WhoTom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said: He really hasn't had to yet, if anything he's upgraded certain positions which is a great thing. But what I'm getting at is what's he going to do next year when Allen's contract kicks in like Mahomes did recently. How are guys like Poyer going to be replaced because we all know this is his last year here. Pretty sure Edmunds will walk too even though I don't think that will be a big loss. Several capable safeties already on the roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 When I think about it, I believe they can hang with anyone as long as they execute. I still get weird feelings during games. Old ghosts from the drought era. Stuff like the Bills taking a lead late in the game only for the defense to give up the tying/winning score on the next drive. All those seasons of watching those defenses give an opponent 20 when it was 3rd and 19. They were the definition of mid during those years. But even now with all the firepower this team has I still get those stupid doubts like, "Oh man... they're gonna blow this lead!" But the cool thing now, is that when I think of that, I just remember, "Well, if they do score they have to give the ball back to Josh Allen..." Since Josh's rookie year I've had the sense about him that he's just a gamer. In his first couple years it wasn't always pretty but the dude would just find a way game in and game out (mainly in 2019 as 2018 was the "take your lumps" year but even then you could see the 'never say die' attitude he had). Now, he's a gamer, and everything is really pretty. His progression has been amazing to watch. But yeah...there are times it just feels like they're unstoppable on offense and then the defense gets in there and whereas in years past they were getting pressure on the QB consistently, they had a hard time getting home for the sack. Now with Von here they're feasting. When both sides are playing on fire like that it provides such a spark for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 17 getting hurt scares me...otherwise , no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 The schedule scares me. I've bolded the games which I think will be particularly difficult (notice the Lions are bolded) but even Cleveland, the Cheatriots*** and the Jets are gonna come out swinging and are minimally trap games. Only Chicago is a gimme IMO. 09/19 TITANS 7:15 pm 09/25 @ Dolphins 1:00 pm 10/02 @ Ravens 1:00 pm 10/09 STEELERS 1:00 pm 10/16 @ Chiefs 4:25 pm 10/30 PACKERS 8:20 pm 11/06 @ Jets 1:00 pm 11/13 VIKINGS 1:00 pm 11/20 BROWNS 1:00 pm 11/24 @ Lions 12:30 pm 12/01 @ Patriots 8:15 pm 12/11 JETS 1:00 pm 12/18 DOLPHINS TBD 12/24 @ Bears 1:00 pm 01/02 @ Bengals 8:30 pm 01/08 PATRIOTS TBD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GunnerBill Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 19 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: The biggest concern with the Chiefs is how their front office seems to keep striking gold and finding multiple starters/possible stars each year in the draft. Brett Veach is truly the best in the business based on what he's done the last 3 years. McDuffie had zero yards allowed in coverage before leaving with an injury Karlafits had 6 pressures at DE Moore had a big kick return and reception Pacheco had almost 100 all purpose yards and a TD. If this continues I really don't see how the Bills can touch this team as long as Reid and Mahomes are there to reap all these rewards. Veach is an excellent GM. No doubt about that. But wouldn't read too much into a game against Arizona. Their gameplan was arguably the worst I have seen put together in a decade. Both on offense and defense they game up with a plan that played perfectly to Kansas City's strengths. It was mind bogglingly bad. KC are still the team the Bills have got to get through. Veach, Reid and Mahomes are awesome. But week 1 was as much about Arizona's incompetence as KC's competence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Veach is an excellent GM. No doubt about that. But wouldn't read too much into a game against Arizona. Their gameplan was arguably the worst I have seen put together in a decade. Both on offense and defense they game up with a plan that played perfectly to Kansas City's strengths. It was mind bogglingly bad. KC are still the team the Bills have got to get through. Veach, Reid and Mahomes are awesome. But week 1 was as much about Arizona's incompetence as KC's competence. Agree but can't you say the same thing about the Buffalo vs Rams game? Teams that can compete for AFC title is KC and SD. I think it is extremely important for the Bills to get a bye and home field advantage. Both KC and SD are in a much more competitive division then they Bills. Hopefully, they beat each other up and pave the road for the Bills home field advantage throughout the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBob806 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) Chiefs, Chargers, & Browns. KC & LAC will outscore most teams like the Bills. The Browns will struggle to score but shut teams down. Edited September 14, 2022 by DrBob806 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Agree but can't you say the same thing about the Buffalo vs Rams game? Teams that can compete for AFC title is KC and SD. I think it is extremely important for the Bills to get a bye and home field advantage. Both KC and SD are in a much more competitive division then they Bills. Hopefully, they beat each other up and pave the road for the Bills home field advantage throughout the playoffs. I'd say the main issue in that game was that the Rams offensive line was ovewhelmed talent wise. The only element in which I would accuse the Rams of getting their gameplan wrong is I think they got away from the run too early. The Bills shut it down effectively but I thought the Rams should have persisted and tried to find some outside runs away from the teeth of the defense. I am not sure asking Stafford to throw 41 times into cover 2 looks was a winning strategy. Otherwise the Rams had the right gameplan. They were just overmatched in key areas and out executed by the Bills. When a defensive line just outplays your offensive line there is very little you can do about it as a coach. We have seen it all week 1. Offensive lines that get beat badly get their teams beat. I think had the Rams' line held up that would have been a closer football game. In contrast the Cardinals' gameplan never game them a chance. It was utterly imbecilic. I agree with you those are the main three contenders. and I agree that the #1 seed is important for Buffalo. We should have got it last year and had we, maybe we are sitting here with a Lombardi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said: The schedule scares me. I've bolded the games which I think will be particularly difficult (notice the Lions are bolded) but even Cleveland, the Cheatriots*** and the Jets are gonna come out swinging and are minimally trap games. Only Chicago is a gimme IMO. 09/19 TITANS 7:15 pm 09/25 @ Dolphins 1:00 pm 10/02 @ Ravens 1:00 pm 10/09 STEELERS 1:00 pm 10/16 @ Chiefs 4:25 pm 10/30 PACKERS 8:20 pm 11/06 @ Jets 1:00 pm 11/13 VIKINGS 1:00 pm 11/20 BROWNS 1:00 pm 11/24 @ Lions 12:30 pm 12/01 @ Patriots 8:15 pm 12/11 JETS 1:00 pm 12/18 DOLPHINS TBD 12/24 @ Bears 1:00 pm 01/02 @ Bengals 8:30 pm 01/08 PATRIOTS TBD I am not so sure about the Steelers. TJ Watt won't play and that is huge for the Bills. Harris is already playing thru an injury and Trubisky is their QB. I don't think it will be a cakewalk but the Bills should win this one somewhat comfortably. I realize Pitt did win at Cincy but Burrow **** the bed with that awful pick 6 plus the missed FG's didn't help either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) DVOA Top Five and SB Odds after Weeek 1 Edited September 14, 2022 by billsfan1959 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 56 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I'd say the main issue in that game was that the Rams offensive line was ovewhelmed talent wise. The only element in which I would accuse the Rams of getting their gameplan wrong is I think they got away from the run too early. The Bills shut it down effectively but I thought the Rams should have persisted and tried to find some outside runs away from the teeth of the defense. I am not sure asking Stafford to throw 41 times into cover 2 looks was a winning strategy. Otherwise the Rams had the right gameplan. They were just overmatched in key areas and out executed by the Bills. When a defensive line just outplays your offensive line there is very little you can do about it as a coach. We have seen it all week 1. Offensive lines that get beat badly get their teams beat. I think had the Rams' line held up that would have been a closer football game. In contrast the Cardinals' gameplan never game them a chance. It was utterly imbecilic. I agree with you those are the main three contenders. and I agree that the #1 seed is important for Buffalo. We should have got it last year and had we, maybe we are sitting here with a Lombardi. No doubt the Rams Oline was over matched. Whitworth and Safford losses really hurts the Rams. Bills sacked the Rams 7 times and had relentless pressure without blitzing once. How much is a result of Rams porous Oline or a Bills great pass rush? Time will tell. I will add on Oliver got hurt early too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) Football Outsiders Top 20 Team Overall DVOA Football Outsiders Top 20 Team Offensive DVOA Football Outsiders Top 20 Team Defensive DVOA Edited September 14, 2022 by billsfan1959 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Pretty much everyone scares me. The Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, and Colts games prove that, as does 2 season-ending losses to Kansas City in the past 2 years... With that said, I would take the Bills over anyone right now, probably home or away. I really do think we have a potential top 1-3 defense as well as a top 1-3 offense, which could put this team in pretty historic company if they can take care of business this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 After week 1? Put it this way - I wouldn’t bet on any team to beat them right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: Football Outsiders Top 20 Team Overall DVOA Football Outsiders Top 20 Team Offensive DVOA Football Outsiders Top 20 Team Defensive DVOA Thanks for posting these - just as a quick caveat - Football Outsiders themselves do say to take with a pinch of salt until week 6 normally. Just because obviously DVOA is based on how you perform against an opponent compared to how others perform against that same opponent. So the more info you build up the more accurate the model. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Thanks for posting these - just as a quick caveat - Football Outsiders themselves do say to take with a pinch of salt until week 6 normally. Just because obviously DVOA is based on how you perform against an opponent compared to how others perform against that same opponent. So the more info you build up the more accurate the model. Thanks. I was actually going to add that caveat with it. DAVE represents the games up to that point along with pre-season predictions up until about weeks 4-6. I’ll post them each week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Cincy still scares me. I think Buffalo is far better and hey, we lost to Pittsburgh Week 1 last year too. They just have too many weapons on paper and Joe Mixon is probably the most underrated back in the league. I think they'll pull it together and make a run at some point. And then the usual suspects out West - KC, Vegas, San Diego. AFC West is going to be a meat grinder. Not Denver though. Glad the Broncos hype finally subsided, I've been calling that since last year. Russ is not a top tier QB any more and considering the division I wouldn't be surprised if the Donkeys are bottom-5 in the AFC by year's end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Chiefs, Chargers, Ravens (in that order) in the AFC Tampa in the NFC. I'm 'amost' over Arizona because they simply haven't been that good, but the back part of my mind always think if the do 'figure things out' they could be trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 On 9/12/2022 at 9:26 AM, Matt_In_NH said: I would not write them off but what about the Dolphins is scary? They scored 13 points on offense....they have a lot of speed and their Defense is good but scary? This is pretty scary 🤮 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 4 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: DVOA Top Five and SB Odds after Weeek 1 This is a good reality check for those who thing a SB Championship is a given. Even though they are the favorite, there is still less than a 20% chance they win it all. So many variables during the season and playoffs…injuries, officiating, coaching, player miscues. All it takes is one hiccup in a close game and… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: This is a good reality check for those who thing a SB Championship is a given. Even though they are the favorite, there is still less than a 20% chance they win it all. So many variables during the season and playoffs…injuries, officiating, coaching, player miscues. All it takes is one hiccup in a close game and… That's why they play the games, right? I (along with almost everyone else) thought Buffalo and KC were the two best teams heading into the Divisional game, with the winner going on and winning the SB. Buff had its 13 second meltdown and the following week, KC had its 2nd half meltdown... And just like that, the two best teams in football are out of the playoffs. You just never know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) Chiefs and Chargers Hey side note, and maybe semi related, but remember that time the Dolphins had the opportunity to take what would now be considered one of the top 3 or 4 QBs in the league and we were all hoping they wouldn't take him and then all of sudden they DIDN'T take him?! Remember?! ...good times. Edited September 14, 2022 by dollars 2 donuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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