UKBillFan Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 He won't get MVP but, unlike quite a few of the other SB contenders, he's most definitely our offensive MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VaMilBill Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:   I think our early blowouts of teams inflated these stats. They are great, but outliers for the season. Similar to our high defensive rank last year. Our offense blew out so many teams our defense basically only had to play prevent and we’re pretty successful thus inflating their stats. I think we are seeing s similar thing this year with our offense.  The last month or so, nothing has looked easy for our offense. everything is a struggle. I think we can all admit something isn’t right. Some of it is Josh’s decision making and accuracy, but I believe most of it lies in Dorsey’s lap. He simply cannot run a quality offense and it has showed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Â 1 hour ago, NUT said: Mahomes is running away with this award. Allens' stats today puts him even further behind. Â 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 1 hour ago, NUT said: Mahomes is running away with this award. Allens' stats today puts him even further behind. Hurts… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 I wish this topic was shut down in the pre season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 1 hour ago, DapperCam said: I still think Hurts will get it yeah. I think it is Hurts  to lose.  mahomes will have to at the very least regain the one seed. Even then that may not even be enough. But no one seed, no chance for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: yeah. I think it is Hurts  to lose.  mahomes will have to at the very least regain the one seed. Even then that may not even be enough. But no one seed, no chance for him.  Interestingly, heading into today, Hurts' QBR is lower than Josh's (69.2 to 75.1). Passer rating is much higher, though (108.3 to 96.0) and that gap with grow after today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 1 hour ago, DapperCam said: I still think Hurts will get it Yeah Hurts has been insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Allen peaked during the KC game. First 6 games of the year he had 4 300+ passing yards games, and had 5 multi touchdown passing games.   In the last 6 games he's had 1 300 yard game and 3 multi touchdown games. He hasn't had a 3 td passing game since October.   I don't know what's changed since the GB game but he's been an average passer since then.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Matt Milano for MVP 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said: Let Mahomes win the award. Burrow and Allen will use this as fuel. His 3 ints and counting today won't help that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Hurts will win MVP because of his cupcake schedule and system which doesn’t ask too much of him. Eagles will get bounced in the Divisional though. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 58 minutes ago, Real McNasty said: His 3 ints and counting today won't help that. They won despite his best efforts to give it away like he did for Joe Burrow. Would be nice if he gift wraps a game like that come January. Just now, DapperCam said: Hurts will win MVP because of his cupcake schedule and system which doesn’t ask too much of him. Eagles will get bounced in the Divisional though. Hurts is better than you realize with his dual threat ability and the fact they got him AJ Brown to keep defenses honest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: They won despite his best efforts to give it away like he did for Joe Burrow. Would be nice if he gift wraps a game like that come January. Hurts is better than you realize with his dual threat ability and the fact they got him AJ Brown to keep defenses honest. He’s Lamar Jackson but not as good. Play action, one read, if it isn’t there take off.  Imagine Lamar Jackson with this Eagles supporting cast. It would probably be another unanimous MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 3 hours ago, NUT said: Mahomes is running away with this award. Allens' stats today puts him even further behind. Â 3 INTs today for Mahomes. If anyone separated, it's Hurts, not Mahomes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 3 hours ago, NUT said: Mahomes is already over 4k passing yards on the season. Allen isn't even at 3600 yet. Burrow is now runner up to the award.  Allen had a lot of bad throws today. Yes, the weather wasn't good.  Allen has over 4k total yards right now. I think he's only a couple hundred behind Mahomes and suddenly Mahomes is a pick machine.  Anything can happen... but it's Hurts in the lead right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 hours ago, VaMilBill said: I think our early blowouts of teams inflated these stats. They are great, but outliers for the season. Similar to our high defensive rank last year. Our offense blew out so many teams our defense basically only had to play prevent and we’re pretty successful thus inflating their stats. I think we are seeing s similar thing this year with our offense.  The last month or so, nothing has looked easy for our offense. everything is a struggle. I think we can all admit something isn’t right. Some of it is Josh’s decision making and accuracy, but I believe most of it lies in Dorsey’s lap. He simply cannot run a quality offense and it has showed  Do you watch the Bills play? I'm really not trying to be a jerk here, but a lot of what you say suggests you don't 2 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said: I wish this topic was shut down in the pre season  Why? He's still in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Why? He's still in it I havenot saw him in any conversations even with the top 3 in the AFC. At some point this thread is just poisonous and dream land.  Get tired of the AFCE player of the year. I want to see them win a super bowl. Sorry for being honest, but I believe most Bills fans feel this way. Edited December 12, 2022 by Gunsgoodtime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said: I havenot saw him in any conversations even with the top 3 in the AFC. At some point this thread is just poisonous and dream land.  Get tired of the AFCE player of the year. I want to see them win a super bowl. Sorry for being honest, but I believe most Bills fans feel this way.  Buffalo has 4 games left.  Miami Patriots Bears Bengals  2 of those teams Allen played already. In those 2 games, Allen completed almost 69% of his passes, averaged 345 YPG, and had 4 TDs and 1 TO.  Plus... we play the Bears.  Not over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:  Buffalo has 4 games left.  Miami Patriots Bears Bengals  2 of those teams Allen played already. In those 2 games, Allen completed almost 69% of his passes, averaged 345 YPG, and had 4 TDs and 1 TO.  Plus... we play the Bears.  Not over We lost 1 of those too. Got to come up big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 A few weeks ago the consensus was that it was over for Allen because Mahomes had it locked up.  This board is the epitome of recency bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 32 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said: I havenot saw him in any conversations even with the top 3 in the AFC. At some point this thread is just poisonous and dream land.  Get tired of the AFCE player of the year. I want to see them win a super bowl. Sorry for being honest, but I believe most Bills fans feel this way. If he keeps the #1 seed in the AFC and finishes strong he’ll be right there. Hurts will still probably get it because voters love the TD/turnover efficiency story over volume stats and Hurts will have that.  Hurts could also have a few sloppy games with a couple turnovers which would make it closer, you just never know. Patty Mahomes threw 3 picks today, nobody would have predicted that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, DapperCam said: Hurts will win MVP because of his cupcake schedule and system which doesn’t ask too much of him. Eagles will get bounced in the Divisional though.  Agreed Hurts will get MVP. But that team is going to the Super Bowl. Especially in the NFC. Maybe the 9ers have a shot, but that will be tough with Purdy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 minute ago, DapperCam said: If he keeps the #1 seed in the AFC and finishes strong he’ll be right there. Hurts will still probably get it because voters love the TD/turnover efficiency story over volume stats and Hurts will have that.  Hurts could also have a few sloppy games with a couple turnovers which would make it closer, you just never know. Patty Mahomes threw 3 picks today, nobody would have predicted that. Nope the prediction i saw was before patty homes, but was top 3 spots elsewhere. I dont care at this point, dont want to see it no more. Let's go on the SB run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:  Agreed Hurts will get MVP. But that team is going to the Super Bowl. Especially in the NFC. Maybe the 9ers have a shot, but that will be tough with Purdy. Honestly I'm more worried about the NfC more than ever. If you watch their games they are fantastic. Let's get through the AFC 1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhgold Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 NFL MVP voters tend to go for the most prominent player on the team with best record. As far as who has been the most valuable player so far this season I think it's either Allen or Mahomes, who have both carried their teams, but the mindless voters would probably go for Hurts at this point in the season. From what I've seen of Philly, their offensive line is the team MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 My my...Mahomes tossing 3 INTs today now tied with Allen with 11 for the year. Where is the outrage for that from the NFL pundits? 3 hours ago, dhgold said: NFL MVP voters tend to go for the most prominent player on the team with best record. As far as who has been the most valuable player so far this season I think it's either Allen or Mahomes, who have both carried their teams, but the mindless voters would probably go for Hurts at this point in the season. From what I've seen of Philly, their offensive line is the team MVP.  Their joke of a schedule is the real MVP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) Hurts is running away with it but even from a stat nerd perspective Josh is a tier 1 anomaly. Very good chance of clearing 4500-30 again through the air which is pretty bonkers unreal territory as a Bills fan but I guess we're getting used to it because it will be his 3rd year in a row.  Where it really gets fun is when you incorporate his rushing stats which some still seem to overlook or even belittle for whatever reason. He's on pace for 800+/7 td on the ground which just makes him a mutant. And again he's done this before. He's got to be knocking on the door of all kinds of QB rushing records right now. Edited December 12, 2022 by Nelius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 4 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said: I havenot saw him in any conversations even with the top 3 in the AFC. At some point this thread is just poisonous and dream land.  Get tired of the AFCE player of the year. I want to see them win a super bowl. Sorry for being honest, but I believe most Bills fans feel this way.  Who doesn't want to see the Bills win the Super Bowl? There are a few not-so-smart folks who think Super Bowl MVP (or Super Bowl winner, for that matter) & NFL MVP are mutually exclusive accolades.  Don't listen to these not-so-smart folks. They're misinformed.  And.... duuuuuhhhhh!!!! Obviously we would all take the Super Bowl over anything else! But there's nothing wrong with being happy about or rooting for both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 41 minutes ago, Big Turk said: My my...Mahomes tossing 3 INTs today now tied with Allen with 11 for the year. Where is the outrage for that from the NFL pundits? Â Their joke of a schedule is the real MVP Â Â Â 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 4 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said: We lost 1 of those too. Got to come up big  Yep. Lost to the heat in that game... and Allen put up 450 yards of offense all by himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 4 hours ago, ToGoGo said: A few weeks ago the consensus was that it was over for Allen because Mahomes had it locked up.  This board is the epitome of recency bias.  And then suddenly Mahomes has as many Interceptions as Allen and the Bills are the number 1 seed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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prissythecat Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022  https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-mvp-odds/  Mahomes, Hurts, Burrow are the top 3 favorites for MVP currently as per oddsmakers .  Allen is way out of the picture 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, prissythecat said:  https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-mvp-odds/  Mahomes, Hurts, Burrow are the top 3 favorites for MVP currently as per oddsmakers .  Allen is way out of the picture  Joe Burrow vs. Allen will simply come down to the MNF match up. Both have good stats. Allen leads him in total yards by about 300, and they are tied in total TD's.  As of this morning, per Bovada, Hurts is the leader at -110 then Mahomes +140, and Burrow +700. That MNF game will go a long way for either Burrow or Allen. But at this point it is likely too little too late for either to catch Hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Allen is 4 TDs from tying Dan Marino for most touchdowns by a qb through the first five seasons. MVP is also a product of the talent around the player. The Bills have 1 receiver  those other guys have much more then that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Allen is 4 TDs from tying Dan Marino for most touchdowns by a qb through the first five seasons. MVP is also a product of the talent around the player. The Bills have 1 receiver  those other guys have much more then that. Which is all true, however the MVP voters don't see that when they go to the QB stats page on their favorite website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Grundy Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Happy for him not to win it this year. Keep something on his to-do list for later seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Which is all true, however the MVP voters don't see that when they go to the QB stats page on their favorite website. I doubt Allen cares having to put an S on his chest and carry this franchise for the last 4 years must be exhausting enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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