More Stadium Details Emerge

[1ManRaid]

7 hours ago, Maguire's Beer said:

Not at all. There has been substantial speculation, and some implication from the team and its partners, that we would bee looking at an open-air stadium with a canopy over most, if not all, seats - not unlike old Texas Stadium or a host of soccer stadiums. 

 

Still hope that's the case, but agreed with the poster who's beginning to doubt it. 

 

My understanding is that it will be loosely based on the amazing Tottenham stadium with covered seats.  

[Buffalo716]

44 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

You're not taking account games where tickets are going for $6. It was really embarrassing when our lone playoff game last year had resale tix for $25. It was -5. you say? Well if you don't want a dome, that shouldn't matter. should it.

All of those tickets were bought first hand first for face value 

 

it absolutely doesn’t matter to the league or the pegulas what the secondary market goes for 

 

the tickets sold originally … that’s the only fact

 

if 70k were sold and only 62k showed up … well pegulas still sold 70k

Edited July 18, 2022 by Buffalo716

[boater]

Reminiscing the old days when Rich Stadium seated 80,000+ those were the days.

 

Those were the days when WNY was much more populous. Even with that, Ralph Wilson had to give away tickets to avoid local blackouts of home games.

 

I, for one, look forward to a 60,000 seat stadium. With population decline we can't sell them out like we used to.

[Since1981]

Much like Fisher camp where I can’t get in now Vs 2006…a small 60k stadium … I’m resigned to a few games a year from an affordability standpoint. 8 tix I need per game is a lot $$
 

So, while I want a covering + cheap tx…I suppose another casualty of a good team AND keeping Bills in WNY—-worth it

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, boater said:

Reminiscing the old days when Rich Stadium seated 80,000+ those were the days.

 

Those were the days when WNY was much more populous. Even with that, Ralph Wilson had to give away tickets to avoid local blackouts of home games.

 

I, for one, look forward to a 60,000 seat stadium. With population decline we can't sell them out like we used to.

 

Not to mention the large price increase to follow.

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

5 hours ago, PackerNation said:

 Don't really care about the Bills stadium

 

I haven't cared enough to know the location of the Bills new stadium. 

 

Please see yourself out

[Since1981]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

It was -5. you say? Well if you don't want a dome, that shouldn't matter. should it.

The anti dome owner and peeps are just nuts. -5F? get serious. ESPN pregame literally got blown off the field. Local tv dudes were in booth for pregame. Btw, even famous shirtless Fitzy was snug as a bug in orange glow light

[Virgil]

1 hour ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

My understanding is that it will be loosely based on the amazing Tottenham stadium with covered seats.  

Where are you getting this from?

[cba fan]

16 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Where are you getting this from?

populous release stated this. Tottenham is the template. 

 

Tottenham has a good amount of seats deep in endzones that look like virtually are all covered.

6 hours ago, Maguire's Beer said:

Fully cover the sideline seats, leave the end zones open, and you've probably got a winner that meets the most expectations. 

end zones will be covered. likely to mitigate winds also. They made that mistake with Rich Stadium and now can fix it.

Edited July 18, 2022 by cba fan

[Virgil]

11 minutes ago, cba fan said:

populous release stated this. Tottenham is the template. 

 

Tottenham has a good amount of seats deep in endzones that look like virtually are all covered.

end zones will be covered. likely to mitigate winds also. They made that mistake with Rich Stadium and now can fix it.

I can get down with that.  I just hope the endzones don’t really look like that 

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I can get down with that.  I just hope the endzones don’t really look like that 

Yeah. That’s a cheesy slogan. 

[Mikie2times]

 

[Beast]

6 hours ago, PackerNation said:

It appears the current plan is similar to the stadium in Seattle. Don't really care about the Bills stadium, but glad they aren't thinking dome like they are in Chicago. The Bears are also moving the stadium to Arlington, Illinois, which is 45 mins from Chicago. Bears fans are soft. 

 

I haven't cared enough to know the location of the Bills new stadium. But I assume it is within the city limits of Buffalo? I'm aware Orchard Park is 18 mins from Buffalo.

You should be aware of where the current Bills stadium is. It’s the place your Packers have never won a game.

 

Ever.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I predict that we’ve gone 50+ years without one we don’t need it

 

Foxborough, Lambo, Pittsburgh, The two New Jersey teams, Philadelphia, Cleveland 

 

All open-air 

 

We’ve always embraced it

 

 

 

 

 

 

Buffalo gets significantly more precipitation than any of those cities

[cba fan]

48 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I can get down with that.  I just hope the endzones don’t really look like that 

yeah 100%. Those end zones look way too Euro soccer for NFL style sport.

Edited July 18, 2022 by cba fan

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

All of those tickets were bought first hand first for face value 

 

it absolutely doesn’t matter to the league or the pegulas what the secondary market goes for 

 

the tickets sold originally … that’s the only fact

 

if 70k were sold and only 62k showed up … well pegulas still sold 70k

 

 

That's a very Ralph-Wilson-era mindset you have ol' timer..........where the season ticket holders are captives who have to buy the tickets and all that matters is that the ticket gets bought. 

 

The thing is.........the future of maximizing revenue is getting actual people in the stadium and impulse selling the hell out of them.

 

Merchandise, food, gambling.......

 

There is a reason Casino's aren't kept at -5 degrees. 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

10 hours ago, Virgil said:

Nothing I read about this new stadium leaves me feeling good about the fan experience. 
 

When I read about higher elevated seats and more levels, I think about hiding the every day fans in the upper decks to make room for corporate seating in the lower bowl.  
 

I am genuinely afraid that the lower bowl will be highly priced in both seat value and PSL, and less total seats to make room for walkways and restaurants.  
 

This is how it was in the lower bowl in Jacksonville and I hated it.  
 

I very much hope I’m wrong 

I don’t think your going to be wrong that is the way the NFL rolls these days unfortunately. The sad thing is Buffalo economically is more set up for the CFL football team today than the NFL football team today. Let me explain I am not saying I don’t want NFL or the Buffalo Bills to stay in Buffalo. What I am saying is CFL is trying to get a CFL expansion team in Atlantic Canada the Saskatchewan Roughriders lost to the Toronto Argonauts up there. The CFL commissioner says they need $20 million for a Atlantic Canada CFL football stadium like Tim Horton’s stadium in Hamilton. What I am saying is a Tim Horton’s Stadium in Hamilton is more Buffalo economical friendly with the CFL than what Buffalo is being asked to roll with the new Bills stadium in the NFL. I have real doubts Buffalo overtime is going to keep up with the cost of having a NFL team while fans salaries in Western New York stay flat.
 

It isn’t about football it was never about football with the NFL it is greed. The Buffalo Bandits NLL draws well. I have zero doubt that Buffalo CFL in a Tim Horton’s like CFL stadium in downtown Buffalo would be very successful and bring the Canadian fans and shoppers Buffalo downtown wants that they aren’t getting in Orchard Park stadium. Again Buffalo isn’t paying $10,000 for a PSL it is insanity and it has nothing to do with Buffalo’s love for football. I don’t judge Buffalo as a city or a football town on weather we can sell PSL’s to satisfy the greedy NFL owners. Like you I hope I am wrong too in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

26 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Buffalo gets significantly more precipitation than any of those cities

Exactly and in a Southtowns snow belt. Buffalo Bills season never extended this long with the extra week of games plus playoff games in Primetime at night. The Buffalo Bills weren’t doing that in the 1990’s 8 PM playoff games and the playoff games weren’t selling out with cheaper ticket price back than in the day what is about to be asked in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[mrags]

10 hours ago, Virgil said:

Nothing I read about this new stadium leaves me feeling good about the fan experience. 
 

When I read about higher elevated seats and more levels, I think about hiding the every day fans in the upper decks to make room for corporate seating in the lower bowl.  
 

I am genuinely afraid that the lower bowl will be highly priced in both seat value and PSL, and less total seats to make room for walkways and restaurants.  
 

This is how it was in the lower bowl in Jacksonville and I hated it.  
 

I very much hope I’m wrong 

You won’t be wrong. People that think the same kind of crowd at Bills games will be attending at the new stadium are going to be in for a rude awakening. The game day experience will be nothing like we see every Sunday now. 
 

Most people that wanted open air vs a dome because it would affect the game day experience are going to be priced out anyway. 
 

get ready for corporate tailgates. It’s coming. 

[Buffalo716]

37 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Buffalo gets significantly more precipitation than any of those cities

And we’ve always dealt with it

[Buffalo Super Fan]

1 hour ago, Since1981 said:

The anti dome owner and peeps are just nuts. -5F? get serious. ESPN pregame literally got blown off the field. Local tv dudes were in booth for pregame. Btw, even famous shirtless Fitzy was snug as a bug in orange glow light

The anti dome owner is in a alternate reality and it is going to get real fast when he realizes he is stuck 15 years minimum in a outdoor cold stadium with ticket prices above what this market will pay to freeze outside in the wind, cold and rain. Rain is worse than snow you get wet and it sucks. The Buffalo Bills television experience is too good today to freeze outside. Remember Terry Pegula the fool

can’t move he is locked in for 15 years before he can buy his way out of the new Bills stadium lease. I hope New York State makes him stay with no outs he wanted no dome make Terry Pegula stay there he wanted outdoors so much what a bum in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[1ManRaid]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

I don’t think your going to be wrong that is the way the NFL rolls these days unfortunately. The sad thing is Buffalo economically is more set up for the CFL football team today than the NFL football team today. Let me explain I am not saying I don’t want NFL or the Buffalo Bills to stay in Buffalo. What I am saying is CFL is trying to get a CFL expansion team in Atlantic Canada the Saskatchewan Roughriders lost to the Toronto Argonauts up there. The CFL commissioner says they need $20 million for a Atlantic Canada CFL football stadium like Tim Horton’s stadium in Hamilton. What I am saying is a Tim Horton’s Stadium in Hamilton is more Buffalo economical friendly with the CFL than what Buffalo is being asked to roll with the new Bills stadium in the NFL. I have real doubts Buffalo overtime is going to keep up with the cost of having a NFL team while fans salaries in Western New York stay flat.
 

It isn’t about football it was never about football with the NFL it is greed. The Buffalo Bandits NLL draws well. I have zero doubt that Buffalo CFL in a Tim Horton’s like CFL stadium in downtown Buffalo would be very successful and bring the Canadian fans and shoppers Buffalo downtown wants that they aren’t getting in Orchard Park stadium. Again Buffalo isn’t paying $10,000 for a PSL it is insanity and it has nothing to do with Buffalo’s love for football. I don’t judge Buffalo as a city or a football town on weather we can sell PSL’s to satisfy the greedy NFL owners. Like you I hope I am wrong too in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

 

"What I am saying is CFL is trying to get a CFL expansion team in Atlantic Canada the Saskatchewan Roughriders lost to the Toronto Argonauts up there."...............huh?  I, just.....huh?

[eball]

5 hours ago, PackerNation said:

Are you seriously bragging about winning 6 games at home against the Packers in the history of your franchise? And the Packers have won 5 games against Buffalo at home. 

 

Wow, we have played each other a grand total of 13 times and you won 6 at home. When is the parade. 

 

Too funny.

 

I’d say you appear to be on the fast train to nomorepostingprivileges-land.

 

[Beast]

6 hours ago, PackerNation said:

Are you seriously bragging about winning 6 games at home against the Packers in the history of your franchise? And the Packers have won 5 games against Buffalo at home. 

 

Wow, we have played each other a grand total of 13 times and you won 6 at home. When is the parade. 

 

Too funny.

 

Nah, just just douchiness of your original post  gets douchiness in return.

 

But it will be 7 after this season.

[Matt_In_NH]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

And we’ve always dealt with it

No one is arguing against that.   Everyone knows the BIlls have existed since the 60's and never had a dome.  But there is a history of dramatically reduced attendance during bad weather so a lot of people have dealt with it by staying home, that is the point people are making.  I don't have a dog in the fight, its done, it wont be a dome so everyone needs to get over it and move on.  The biggest reason may be the added cost.  If the cost was similar you might have seen more traction.

[eball]

It won’t surprise me if the orientation of the stadium and its architectural design are planned to mitigate the impact of wind, in particular.

 

[Greg S]

If the Bills do the same thing the Jets and Giants did then expect this to happen. When the new stadium is built but still a year away from opening. The Bills will offer tours starting with season ticket holders with the most seniority. It allows fans to walk around and checkout the new stadium. Also the season ticket holders with the most seniority will get first dibs on where they want to sit in the new stadium. The Bills have what 50,000 - 60,000 season ticket holders? Transferring people seats from one stadium to the new one is not an easy thing to do. Expect the Bills to start doing that during the last season at the current stadium.

[North Buffalo]

22 hours ago, Steel City Mafia said:

 

Engineers ha... when the wind and snow blows a partial cover will act like a wind tunnel... good luck... gonna need ropes to hold on to on the concourses as you pull yourself along

39 minutes ago, eball said:

It won’t surprise me if the orientation of the stadium and its architectural design are planned to mitigate the impact of wind, in particular.

 

Yeh but they havent a clue see: Citifield

Repair the Ralph or do a Dome

[Doc]

7 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

The anti dome owner is in a alternate reality and it is going to get real fast when he realizes he is stuck 15 years minimum in a outdoor cold stadium with ticket prices above what this market will pay to freeze outside in the wind, cold and rain. Rain is worse than snow you get wet and it sucks. The Buffalo Bills television experience is too good today to freeze outside. Remember Terry Pegula the fool

can’t move he is locked in for 15 years before he can buy his way out of the new Bills stadium lease. I hope New York State makes him stay with no outs he wanted no dome make Terry Pegula stay there he wanted outdoors so much what a bum in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

 

Opinions are like...

 

13 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

Engineers ha... when the wind and snow blows a partial cover will act like a wind tunnel... good luck... gonna need ropes to hold on to on the concourses as you pull yourself along

Yeh but they havent a clue see: Citifield

Repair the Ralph or do a Dome

 

Are you an architect or engineer?

[LeGOATski]

32 minutes ago, Doc said:

Are you an architect or engineer?

No, but they stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[Bills Juggernaut]

Only 25 degrees rotation??!! These guys are not smart. To truly reverse the effects of the wind and weather issues, they should have went 180 degrees. 

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Bills Juggernaut said:

Only 25 degrees rotation??!! These guys are not smart. To truly reverse the effects of the wind and weather issues, they should have went 180 degrees. 

 

No silly.  360 degrees.

[North Buffalo]

Lol seen too many architectural f ups from engineers who think they know what they are doing but actually make it worse than original design... breeze ways at citifield, xray rooms you have to lower a stretcher rails to get into, pt er bay you cant get a portable xray room into, engineers completely forgetting a place for sonography... engineers would be fine if they had some communication skills to avoid obvious faux pas.

Edited July 18, 2022 by North Buffalo

[Rigby]

8 hours ago, PackerNation said:

Are you seriously bragging about winning 6 games at home against the Packers in the history of your franchise? And the Packers have won 5 games against Buffalo at home. 

 

Wow, we have played each other a grand total of 13 times and you won 6 at home. When is the parade. 

 

Too funny.

I've never really thought that Packers fans were that bad.

 

 

I've now changed my opinion.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Rigby said:

I've never really thought that Packers fans were that bad.

 

 

I've now changed my opinion.

 

There are always at least a few fools in any base.

 

 

15 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

Lol seen too many architectural f ups from engineers who think they know what they are doing but actually make it worse than original design... breeze ways at citifield, xray rooms you have to lower a stretcher rails to get into, pt er bay you cant get a portable xray room into, engineers completely forgetting a place for sonography... engineers would be fine if they had some communication skills to avoid obvious faux pas.

 

Typically that happens when they're not told what to look for.  In this case, the Bills will be telling them to make sure the wind is reduced/eliminated.

[PromoTheRobot]

10 hours ago, Since1981 said:

The anti dome owner and peeps are just nuts. -5F? get serious. ESPN pregame literally got blown off the field. Local tv dudes were in booth for pregame. Btw, even famous shirtless Fitzy was snug as a bug in orange glow light

 

Yes! It's not that brave to go shirtless under the fry lamps. (Sorry, Fitz.)

 

I was at that game and my buddy was in a world of hurt from the cold. I barely dealt with it wearing dozens of hand warmers strategically placed around my body. I'm glad I went to see the Pats get demolished but it was gruelling.

[NewEra]

8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

And we’ve always dealt with it

I’ve always dealt with working 12 hour days in 110 degree heat.  Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t prefer to be working 12 hour days in 70 degree temps.  I dealt with it because I loved my job and the money.  
 

Many dealt with it because they had to.  Not because they wanted to.  There was never a choice in the matter.  Even now, with a new stadium being built, the fans had no choice.  Many won’t be happy with not having a dome.  But they’ll deal with it because they love their team.  Let’s hope they improve the comfort level during the extremely in-climate weather.   

2 hours ago, eball said:

It won’t surprise me if the orientation of the stadium and its architectural design are planned to mitigate the impact of wind, in particular.

 

It surely must.  If not, one must wonder

[Doc]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I’ve always dealt with working 12 hour days in 110 degree heat.  Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t prefer to be working 12 hour days in 70 degree temps.  I dealt with it because I loved my job and the money.  
 

Many dealt with it because they had to.  Not because they wanted to.  There was never a choice in the matter.  Even now, with a new stadium being built, the fans had no choice.  Many won’t be happy with not having a dome.  But they’ll deal with it because they love their team.  Let’s hope they improve the comfort level during the extremely in-climate weather.   

 

If you believe the results of the poll, many didn't want a dome.

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

If you believe the results of the poll, many didn't want a dome.

 

Obviously cost plays a factor here but was a retractable roof ever look into?

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

If you believe the results of the poll, many didn't want a dome.

There are hundreds of thousands of bills fans……many wanted a dome.  Many didn’t. I think it’s safe to say that a large number of fans wanted a dome.  It doesn’t have to be proportionate to be “many”.  Just a large number.