Sunday Ticket Negotiations

[PetermansRedemption]

Not a fan of YouTube TV getting it, but whatever, as long as FUBO still offers redzone that’s all I watch anyways. 

[nucci]

Just now, PetermansRedemption said:

Not a fan of YouTube TV getting it, but whatever, as long as FUBO still offers redzone that’s all I watch anyways. 

most of us want to watch the Bills games

[PetermansRedemption]

5 minutes ago, nucci said:

most of us want to watch the Bills games

Ah, im in the local area so I’ve only ever subscribed to Sunday ticket for redzone. And only when my TV provider didn’t offer if. 

Edited December 21, 2022 by PetermansRedemption

[Billsatlastin2018]

A “relative” in the family has EVERYTHING! The source, of course, would not be considered kosher, but it is very reliable! I have seen multiple NFL games and they dabbble in everything from the NHL to Rugby +Disney + + +.

 

The only thing I love- at the bar is the Red Zone. Fantastic, especially for those of us with ‘interests’. Of course, my family member has that too!

[Xwnyer]

2 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

A “relative” in the family has EVERYTHING! The source, of course, would not be considered kosher, but it is very reliable! I have seen multiple NFL games and they dabbble in everything from the NHL to Rugby +Disney + + +.

 

The only thing I love- at the bar is the Red Zone. Fantastic, especially for those of us with ‘interests’. Of course, my family member has that too!

As I stated either here or somewhere else all theses non kosher streams and methods likely lead to decline of Sat subscription for directv.  I guess I am biased by the fact I have been a subscriber since directv had sunday ticket circa 1996 and have enjoyed the offering for all these years.   

[djp14150]

8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I'm already a YouTube TV subscriber. Hope they don't charge too much. Also hope they allow ala carte games since the Bills are on national TV so much.

 

i believe they will be required to offer individual team packages under a class action suit that forced NBA/NHL/MLB to offer team channels through cable.

 

if they absorb it into a standard subscription item snd not an add on thrn maybe not.

 

this is a turn off to me with having to fully subscribe to a tv package just to get games.

[Billsatlastin2018]

1 minute ago, Xwnyer said:

As I stated either here or somewhere else all theses non kosher streams and methods likely lead to decline of Sat subscription for directv.  I guess I am biased by the fact I have been a subscriber since directv had sunday ticket circa 1996 and have enjoyed the offering for all these years.   

Are you a junkie that requires all of the games at once? At the bar we do, because we can simultaneously watch 6 games. At home, I do get the Bills and minimum 2 others at 1:00p.m. and the 2 headline 4:00 p.m. games- EVERY week on my regular cable service.

 

I ask, because I’m considering playing the poor retired Seniors card and asking if they’ll add RedZone gratis.

[Ned Flanders]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

most of us want to watch the Bills games

DirecTV customer service reps will miss @nucci

[WhoTom]

Looks like there's an option to subscribe only to the premium channel without buying the whole YouTube TV package. Not sure if NFL-ST will be added to the list, though:

 

https://support.google.com/youtubetv/answer/11489195?hl=en

 

I see NBA League Pass in there, so maybe there's hope.

 

[buffalonian]

Apparently it would have been cheaper for fans had Apple won the contract rather than YouTube.  

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/21/report-youtube-to-pay-2-5-billion-per-year-for-sunday-ticket/

 

 

[plenzmd1]

3 hours ago, nucci said:

I'm dropping directv and looking at Hulu Live TV.  Now not sure what to do

 

2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

great points. I forgot about how we can’t use sunday ticket log-in on multiple devices at the same time. That is fine now, but with a streaming-only service, i was thinking of doing just that. 
 

I think what I will end up doing is switching to YouTube Tv for everything. I suspect that at least will solve the issue with flipping to local games. 

I have been a Youtube TV sub for a little over 4 years now I think. With he sports package and HBO, think we pay about $90/month. However, i use it at our place in DC, our home in Richmond, both my kids use it at their homes, as does the co-owner of the place in DC in their Richmond home. Everyone gets a separate login and separate on line DVR, and i have had no issues.

 

I set Richmond as my home market,  technically all the other logins are supposed to be in same house. But  for my kids that do not live here, once every three months or so i need to log into their account from Richmond, watch TV for like 10 minutes, and then it resets as if they are "traveling" which is perfectly a okay. 

 

It will be interesting to see if one sub will also provide access on all "Family Sharing" accounts

[nucci]

18 minutes ago, buffalonian said:

Apparently it would have been cheaper for fans had Apple won the contract rather than YouTube.  

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/21/report-youtube-to-pay-2-5-billion-per-year-for-sunday-ticket/

 

 

The NFL sucks for this. So now instead of directv plus extra for Sunday Ticket, we now need youtube TV and extra for Sunday ticket. Does the NFL think everyone will now switch to youtube TV?

Edited December 21, 2022 by nucci

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

The NFL sucks for this. So now instead of directv plus extra for Sunday Ticket, we now need youtube TV and extra for Sunday ticket

you want them to give up $2.5Billion ?

[TheFunPolice]

Sunday Ticket is the strangest thing.

 

The NFL makes a ton of money on it, but they really don't want you to buy it. 

[nucci]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

you want them to give up $2.5Billion ?

From what I've read Apple was willing to pay that amount but offer it as part of Apple TV subscription. The NFL wanted them to charge us directv prices

[davefan66]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out for YouTube. If they charge the going rate, and you must have the full service, I don’t see this as profitable. Paying 1 Billion more than DTV did doesn’t make sense. Do they believe it will pull in that many subscribers?  What’s the collateral upsell for them?

 

I would love to see the à la carte. Team only, games only, ST only.  Maybe even weekly.

 

I am moving on from DTV now for sure. I was going to go with Spectrum streaming.  Now I will wait and see if YT has a new subscriber deal with free ST.  Just can’t see paying full price ever for ST.

[plenzmd1]

Just now, nucci said:

From what I've read Apple was willing to pay that amount but offer it as part of Apple TV subscription. The NFL wanted them to charge us directv prices

yep, just read the PFT article. Seems like if the NFL wanted to offer it lower price, CBS and FOX would not have paid as much for the Sunday games.Never thought about it that way.

1 minute ago, davefan66 said:

It will be interesting to see how this plays out for YouTube. If they charge the going rate, and you must have the full service, I don’t see this as profitable. Paying 1 Billion more than DTV did doesn’t make sense. Do they believe it will pull in that many subscribers?  What’s the collateral upsell for them?

 

I would love to see the à la carte. Team only, games only, ST only.  Maybe even weekly.

 

I am moving on from DTV now for sure. I was going to go with Spectrum streaming.  Now I will wait and see if YT has a new subscriber deal with free ST.  Just can’t see paying full price ever for ST.

I would sure as hell think they would. Streaming services like YOUTUBE and Fubo still in its infancy. Much like Direct TV used Sunday Ticket to make headway and fuel subscriber growth,  think this will propel plenty of folks who have been reluctant to switch reconsider. 

 

And yes, i would think they would have plenty of deals come July..and if they are smart start offering them as soon as possible to get people to move ASAP.

[Ned Flanders]

Unlike @nucci, I got ST free this year, but still pay about $125 a month for DTV, with no other add-on channels.  YouTube TV is about $65/month with most of the channels I need other than History and MASN.  The $60/month I'll save should easily pay for the new ST package.  

 

Making the DTV "cancel call" the day after the season ends, but I think there will quite a wait to get a customer service rep.  

[Steptide]

Just hoping I can buy Sunday ticket through YouTube without having YouTube TV. 

[nucci]

6 minutes ago, Ned Flanders said:

Unlike @nucci, I got ST free this year, but still pay about $125 a month for DTV, with no other add-on channels.  YouTube TV is about $65/month with most of the channels I need other than History and MASN.  The $60/month I'll save should easily pay for the new ST package.  

 

Making the DTV "cancel call" the day after the season ends, but I think there will quite a wait to get a customer service rep.  

I'm leaning toward  Hulu Live TV right now. Hopefully we learn more very soon. I'll be making that same call

[blitzboy54]

On 6/24/2022 at 7:52 PM, Steel City Mafia said:

https://playersklubiptv.com
 

 

Just go with an IPTV service ^

 I got this because of this recommendation over the summer. I live in Albany but not every game is on so I needed a backup. Bang for your buck it's unbelievable. It's my go to plan B for everything. The other night the local NBC on Sunday Night Football runs a scroll at 11:00 to let people know the news is coming. They leave it up for 20 minutes. To make room they compress the screen so everyone looks funny. Drives me crazy so I switched over to this and tuned into virtually any other NBC station in the country. 

[ColoradoBills]

On 12/17/2022 at 10:35 AM, WhoTom said:

 

The Firestick plugs into the TV's HDMI input and the antenna connects to the antenna input. To switch back and forth between Sunday Ticket (streaming) and local broadcast, I use my TV remote to change the source from one to the other. Takes about 2 seconds.

 

I do the same thing when streaming Sunday Ticket thru my Roku stick and watching blacked out games with my over the air antenna.

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

The NFL sucks for this. So now instead of directv plus extra for Sunday Ticket, we now need youtube TV and extra for Sunday ticket. Does the NFL think everyone will now switch to youtube TV?

The nfl made 2.5 billion off of the deal.  Do you think they care if you switch?

[nucci]

4 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

The nfl made 2.5 billion off of the deal.  Do you think they care if you switch?

No, I don't think they care. Thanks for asking

[eball]

25 minutes ago, nucci said:

I'm leaning toward  Hulu Live TV right now. Hopefully we learn more very soon. I'll be making that same call

 

The Hulu Live TV interface blows.  I mean seriously...it's awful.  YouTubeTV's interface blows it away.

 

[nucci]

Just now, eball said:

 

The Hulu Live TV interface blows.  I mean seriously...it's awful.  YouTubeTV's interface blows it away.

 

Good to know, thanks. Seems like Hulu has more content though. 

[The Wiz]

9 minutes ago, nucci said:

No, I don't think they care. Thanks for asking

Well then you answered your own question.

[Virgil]

I'll reserve judgement until a deal is finalized and pricing is released, but not a fan so far.  I was really hoping for Apple as their streaming quality and interface is typically solid.

 

If YoutubeTV gets it, I hope there's an option to just get the NFL Package.  $65 a month is nuts.  That's $260 for the season, assuming they don't up the price once the deal is done

[ColoradoBills]

When I cut the cord, one reason I didn't get YouTube TV is that lack of the Bloomberg Channel.

I do my own financial planning and I am a Bloomberg junkie.  It's the reason I have Sling TV.

 

The good news is I just found out for Roku users (not sure about others) is a free channel called "News World" which has

Bloomberg Channel Live for free!

 

If I have to move over to YouTube TV for football purposes (still hoping I can get it as a stand-alone package) at least

I can get my Bloomberg!

[TheFunPolice]

The good news is that anyone with the money can subscribe, even if it comes with extras like YouTube tv that you don't really care about.

 

Direct TVs biggest problem was the need for expensive hardware that many people, especially in apartment buildings, couldn't install.

 

You could go back and forth with them but if their system said you could get direct TV service then no amount of money would get you the Sunday ticket streaming package.

 

This is at least better in that if you want it and are willing to pay you can get it. 

 

Direct TV is a dinosaur anyway. Ironically fast satellite internet will make streaming easy for people in the boonies, spelling the end for satellite TV 

 

Edited December 21, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Amarillo Bills Fan]

Over all I'm happy that someone other than Directv is going to have Sunday Ticket. 

 

I went streaming and even tried the Directv streaming service which was cheaper than having traditional Directv and associated receivers et.  Unfortunately they would not sell the Sunday Ticket as a stand alone to me as my physical location had access to the satellite service.  I tried to BS them with my neighbors tree is blocking the antenna excuse, no luck.  I canceled the service.  At that point I piggy backed on my Sister in Law's directv service.  I paid her for the Sunday Ticket package and watched it on the Sunday Ticket app on the firestick.

 

Then the kneeling crap started and I didn't really care about watching for a couple years.  The NFL got they're act together and solved that problem.

 

Now that the Bill's are winning and popular I don't miss many games.  This weekends game won't be on the local cbs station so I'll probably fire up NordVPN and watch the game on Paramount +

 

Directv, Dish and traditional cable are shedding customers as more and more switch to streaming services.

 

I understand that many will not be thrilled with having to move to YouTube TV, but it's still a cheaper alternative than Directv ever was.  With Youtube TV Plus ( an extra $10 per month), you get to have unlimited streams on your home network and 3 streams outside your home network.  Our son uses one of those 3 streams.  I'm sure there are some creative folks out there to split the cost 3 ways to reduce the cost further...

 

Put me in the 'I'm glad YouTube TV is going to win the contract' group.

 

 

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

While I dislike the prices from DirecTV, the advantage that I have is that often I can't watch the game live as my son plays baseball and lacrosse and there's either a game or a practice when the games are on. So, I record the game on my DVR and tell everybody not to text or call me until I have watched the game!!! 

 

With streaming, I don't know if there's an ability to record the game and watch later. 

[US Egg]

Whoever gets the NFL, hope it shows better than the choppy shutter stream on Prime…..or am I the only one who has this issue with TNF?

 

Have MLB & NBA streaming apps, they only occasionally do what Prime does every game, on both my not cheap TV’s with fios service.

Edited December 21, 2022 by I am the egg man

[Watkins90]

I have YouTube TV. I like it, but the voices and picture can get off fairly often so you have to constantly restart the app. It's annoying. 

[BillsFanNC]

1 hour ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

While I dislike the prices from DirecTV, the advantage that I have is that often I can't watch the game live as my son plays baseball and lacrosse and there's either a game or a practice when the games are on. So, I record the game on my DVR and tell everybody not to text or call me until I have watched the game!!! 

 

With streaming, I don't know if there's an ability to record the game and watch later. 

 

Yes, they all offer a cloud DVR service.

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, I am the egg man said:

Whoever gets the NFL, hope it shows better than the choppy shutter stream on Prime…..or am I the only one who has this issue with TNF?

.

I have the same issue.  Have been researching online and am adjusting the judder control by turning off the motion smoothing. Most TV manufacturers have their own name for the feature. 
 

 I notice a lot of pixelation on games broadcast over the air. Hoping the judder adjustment corrects that too. 
 

I have a Samsung that is about 7 years old with a 60hz refresh rate. Very disappointed with this TV from the start. 

[Billznut]

6 hours ago, Steptide said:

Just hoping I can buy Sunday ticket through YouTube without having YouTube TV. 

Agree wholeheartedly. But it doesn’t sound like that is going to be an option. The whole reason YouTube tv is doing this deal and spending billions is because they are already counting on all the $65/month subscriptions they will get now due to the Sunday ticket. 

[US Egg]

1 hour ago, Watkins90 said:

I have YouTube TV. I like it, but the voices and picture can get off fairly often so you have to constantly restart the app. It's annoying. 

The RZ plays through nicely on YT.

[CSBill]

2 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

Whoever gets the NFL, hope it shows better than the choppy shutter stream on Prime…..or am I the only one who has this issue with TNF?

 

Have MLB & NBA streaming apps, they only occasionally do what Prime does every game, on both my not cheap TV’s with fios service.

No. The Amazon Prime stream is awful. It is worse than the free dark web sites I normally use. My normal Prime is great, but their streaming is terrible. 

[Griz]

5 hours ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

While I dislike the prices from DirecTV, the advantage that I have is that often I can't watch the game live as my son plays baseball and lacrosse and there's either a game or a practice when the games are on. So, I record the game on my DVR and tell everybody not to text or call me until I have watched the game!!! 

 

With streaming, I don't know if there's an ability to record the game and watch later. 

Youtube TV includes unlimited cloud storage to record programming.  Unlike DTV, it's included in the monthly subscription - no additional fees.  I believe their cloud storage holds your programs for 9 days.