BillsShredder83 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 33 minutes ago, Warcodered said: People make terrible hiring decision all the time, just look at Adam Gase with the Jets. True but again bad hiring decision. Nobody is hiring a dude they think will translate to less wins, because of their skin color. Is that happening at Arby's? Yeah, im sure it is... but not in a Bilion dollar industry. These owners are greedy, they care about $ and W's 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, papazoid said: he will lose his case.....the rooney rule will be used against him he will never work in the NFL again.....his best bet now is college (this is what i said earlier today in another thread:) the rooney rule hurts absolutely no one it is not a final hiring mandate or quota. the best still get hired. the Rooney Rule aims (not forces) to increase the number of minorities hired in head coach, general manager, and executive positions. of course there can be some sham interviews, but good can still come out of them for most parties Are you missing the whole offering him 100K for each loss? If that's true, Flores is not going to lose his case. No way, no how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Then the rule wouldn't effect him at all anyway. That’s right, so why have it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: but he wanted to leave. He did until O'Brian was fired. Then Crennel came in and he finished the 2020 season. Then his legal issues came. It could have been him, but I feel like with Brady going to Tampa and the speculation of what he said during that time when Brady was a FA kind of lines up better in my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Good. He got hosed by the Dolphins and it sound like Ross was doing some sinister things. F that franchise… however taking shots at the Giants for not hiring him just has no basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 So let me get this straight. Belichick accidentally texted Flores instead of Daboll and congratulated him before he even interviewed. S#!+ meet fan. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Off, that would seem to invalidate Flores' argument right there. Based on the timeline of the reports from the news, Frazier had his 1st on January 22nd and Daboll had his on January 24th. So unless BB sent that text prior to Frazier and Daboll's interviews, I think the Giants are at least safe. Edited February 1, 2022 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Second, the facts aren't damning to anyone but the Dolphins and on that front only show they violated league rules in regards to tampering. Lastly, it was a missed opportunity to make only black coaches members of the class, they should have gone broader and opened it up to all minority candidates. Of course I could be wrong, but this suit has more chance of changing things through public pressure rather than actual legal relief; which is what I suspect it was aimed at. Thought I might save everyone some time reading. Here's the link to the complaint in case anyone is interested: https://www.wigdorlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Complaint-against-National-Football-League-et-al-Filed.pdf There are large parts devoid of any legalese that seem to be written for the general public. This is more than a suit. It's an attempt to shake things up. Edited February 1, 2022 by hondo in seattle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Casey D said: At the end of the day, it is hard to see how this can be a class action. Each situation is individualized, not common to every coaching candidate. Unless there is some grand scheme to deny black coaches jobs at a league-wide level, there can be no class. And all of this will be hard to prove, because it will be difficult to show the reason for the failure to hire a particular person was due to race, and not because the Giants, for example, simply wanted an offensive minded coach. And was racism a factor in the hiring of David Culley and his rapid firing, or was it because he seemed in over his head. This could be a long slog that the NFL will want to settle IMO, because the defense evidence of "merit" will have ugly overtones that will be a PR nightmare. . wrt class action, I agree. Numerosity will be a huge problem but as far as racism, Flores isnt claiming damages for not being hired. He is alleging league-wide fraud and collusion and probably civil-rights violations. His objective would be to get to punitive damages phase. And or be able to leverage the threat of a LOT of depositions that the NFL wont want any part of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, CNYfan said: Unless the Bills were honest and up front. But the candidates interviewed just to meet and exchange ideas. What if Dorsey gets a HC in a few years. they have familiarity, as long as everything is up front. Im unclear on this because it waffles back and forth. For the Rooney rule, is the hiring organization supposed to be up front and honest about their intentions? Because it appears that will cause a Flores style lawsuit. Or is the hiring organization supposed to legitimately interview every candidate and then make a decision? I'd think the people who hire, would interview one guy, and think he's their guy, and then interview another and still think #1 is still their guy. Did that mean #2 never had a shot? Maybe #2 just didnt sell himself enough to sway them. In the end, you always have a favorite candidate based on their book of work and resume before you even meet them. It is their job to convince you that they are the better choice and clearly Flores did not. Not to mention the preexisting relationship with the new giants GM and Daboll... The bigger story to me is the paying for losses, and tampering. Thats gonna cost them draft picks. Edited February 1, 2022 by What a Tuel 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Pretty good article from a week or 2 ago from Jemele Hill to put some of this into perspective. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: I do not argue that point. Still, howwould this work in other industries? You don't think that he was supposed to notify NFL officials that an owner actually offered him money to purposely lose games? Really? You have to think long and hard to come out with that kind of info. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: The Bills just did that That's a statement that lacks proof, unlike Flores' case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Beast said: Are you missing the whole offering him 100K for each loss? If that's true, Flores is not going to lose his case. No way, no how. This case is not seeking redress for that violation, it is a class action for racial discrimination in hiring practices. That allegation will result in an investigation by the NFL, which I'm sure he provides evidence for and will likely result in penalties for the Dolphins along with the allegation of tampering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, What a Tuel said: Im unclear on this because it waffles back and forth. For the Rooney rule, is the hiring organization supposed to be up front and honest about their intentions? Because it appears that will cause a Flores style lawsuit. Or is the hiring organization supposed to legitimately interview every candidate and then make a decision? I'd think the people who hire, would interview one guy, and think he's their guy, and then interview another and still think #1 is still their guy. Did that mean #2 never had a shot? Maybe #2 just didnt sell himself enough to sway them. Not to mention the preexisting relationship with the new giants GM and Daboll... The bigger story to me is the paying for losses, and tampering. Thats gonna cost them draft picks. That's just Flores throwing bombs because he's hurt. But they are serious accusations and Miami needs to be punished. If you read the suit, the clear theme is that NFL is racist, more racist maybe than some of us realized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 This, at least, gets the Brady retirement out of the headlines.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, BillnutinHouston said: That's a statement that lacks proof, unlike Flores' case. If Frazier had already been interviewed, then Flores' argument for him being a sham candidate would not have any proof. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, maddenboy said: wrt class action, I agree. Numerosity will be a huge problem but as far as racism, Flores isnt claiming damages for not being hired. He is alleging league-wide fraud and collusion and probably civil-rights violations. His objective would be to get to punitive damages phase. And or be able to leverage the threat of a LOT of depositions that the NFL wont want any part of. He is claiming is claiming economic damages in all counts, but you are correct he does not link it to any particular action or job, just the penumbra of discriminatory conduct (alleged). And I totally agree that this is going to be played as a PR case that makes the NFL look awful and thus will make the NFL settle. The law is not on Flores's side, but the PR truly is-- and the ***** that will come out in discovery will be a nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Beast said: Are you missing the whole offering him 100K for each loss? If that's true, Flores is not going to lose his case. No way, no how. he's got something there with the dolphins owners only.....a hostile work enviroment.....(but not based on race).....he can say he was canned for not playing along to intentionally lose and/or perform illegal activities 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, Beast said: Are you missing the whole offering him 100K for each loss? If that's true, Flores is not going to lose his case. No way, no how. If Flores can prove this happened then of course Ross will have a huge problem. That said, it wouldn't seem to involve racism, would it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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