Giants/Schoen interview Daboll for HC

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

Well no that's the OC responsibility.  Dorsey was promoted to 2nd in line in the hierarchy though. I think it's fair to assume that's why he would be next in line.

 

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Josh said he's actually 245# (but admitted he should be 242#).

 

 

Yeah they promoted him with the intention of possibly making him OC if/when Daboll leaves.  Whether he's ready to takeover the OC job will be a determination the Bills make. 

 

But who else would people want to replace Daboll?  Be aware that is has to be someone who uses the E-P system.  Want some retread that's been fired several times?  A hot up-and-comer?

 

Who did Dorsey replace with that promotion?

[BuffaloBillyG]

29 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

If done right, continuity is the best thing.  You build an identity and you don't want outsiders to detract from it if it is working.  You risk less of a losing mentality, the type that plagued this team for years.

Although we all know it was Allen's work ethic...

If done right...you don't limit your search to in house only. They are in the mix, for sure.

 

However where you say having outsiders detracts...that's one possible outcome. Another is it could enhance with the right fit.

 

Doug Whaley was "groomed" and given the GM job. Doesn't always work well. The best search is a thourough one....including Dorsey and Hall from on house. And if they win it...super.

[AlfaBill]

15 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Why do people act like the coaches are preparing for the Chiefs 24/7? Do we really think they have absolutely NO time to fit in a video interview? The "distraction" complaint is way overblown.

BS. If you’ve ever had to prepare for an interview it takes time, energy and preparation. His head should be 💯 invested in beating the Chiefs. Even 2 days not preparing has potential to bring bad results. Not to mention what he’ll be thinking about during the game! “***** I forgot to mention this or that during the interview! Or damn did I say that?” 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, whorlnut said:

You say that, but the giants just took a chance on a GM that was “cutting his teeth” as an assistant. It’s not like Dorsey hasn’t  been learning on the job for a few years now.

 

The bottom line is, every great coach got their start somewhere. For all we know, Dorsey might be the next great OC. I’ll leave it up to Beane’s discretion. He’s earned the benefit of any doubt. 

Exactly. 100%. In fact, I’ll go a step further…make Dorsey OC and don’t even worry with hiring a qb coach. Just keep Webb on the sideline as a backup and let him be the acting QB coach. 

And I don’t get why posters assume he wouldn’t be adequate. Goes both ways. Again…I’ll trust Beane in this. 

Yes, they took a chance...after a wide search of people. They didn't just look up the hallway and say..."Well you've been here a while. Want the job?"

 

And what has Dorsey been learning? Can you pin point how exactly he's progressed in his time here? What are his own philosophies when it comes to running an offense? What is it (other than close proximity) that directly tells you he is so well qualified for the job that they shouldn't even look in the event that Daboll leaves?

 

That's all I'm suggesting. Look at the current staff, absolutely. But don't solely look at the staff. As we saw early in the season with the offensive line..."running it back" and continuity aren't always the best practice 

Edited January 22, 2022 by No Place To Hyde

[LeGOATski]

Hey guys, if you actually know what it's like to prepare for a serious interview, it's actually super seriously hard.

 

I just want everyone in this thread to know this. Super hard and actually really seriously. Trust me.

[Beast]

If it hasn't been stated earlier, I heard on Sirius NFL that Frazier is interviewing with the Giants today.

Edited January 22, 2022 by Beast

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

BS. If you’ve ever had to prepare for an interview it takes time, energy and preparation. His head should be 💯 invested in beating the Chiefs. Even 2 days not preparing has potential to bring bad results. Not to mention what he’ll be thinking about during the game! “***** I forgot to mention this or that during the interview! Or damn did I say that?” 

 

Sounds like a whole lotta projectin' going on here

 

McDermott made the point that the bulk of the preparation for a HC interview should take place in the off-season, or "it's not likely to go very well".  The preparation for one interview generally feeds into another - it's not like you throw it all out and start over.

 

An interview can be anything the two parties involved want it to be.  Daboll has already interviewed for the Bears and the Dolphins HC positions.  If Schoen wants Daboll to consider the Giants, they would easily be able to agree to have a reasonable length (1 hr say) interview for the purpose of Mara and Tisch getting to know Daboll and being able to make a decision if they have serious interest in pursuing him, without it taking 2 hours, (let alone 2 days) away from his Chiefs preparation. 

 

The game plan is already installed and being practiced on Weds, Thurs, and Friday.

 

Daboll can't compartmentalize during the game, he's not the guy we want to retain as our OC.

 

16 hours ago, Real McNasty said:

Timing of this crap is really lame IMO while in mid playoff run.

 

I'm happy for these guys overall, just not a fan of the when is all. 

 

Me too.  Doubt McDermott is either.  For that matter, doubt Beane is.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

16 hours ago, Real McNasty said:

Timing of this crap is really lame IMO while in mid playoff run.

 

I'm happy for these guys overall, just not a fan of the when is all. 

 

6 hours ago, Xwnyer said:

I hate that rules changed allowing teams to interview guys still in playoffs 

 

I do too.  Unfortunately, the reasoning makes sense for the candidates and the hiring teams.

If teams had to wait until after the Super Bowl to interview coordinators and then decisions having to be made it really

crunches timelines with the extra week 17 games.

 

The Superbowl is Feb 13th and the Rookie Combine starts March 1st.

What I don't understand is why don't they start the new season/combine/FA/Draft back a couple of weeks?

Maybe they think that causes other issues?

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Who did Dorsey replace with that promotion?

 

He didn't replace anyone: Daboll gave up/had to give up duties in the passing game.  The most obvious explanation is because the Bills are grooming Dorsey to be the next OC when eventually Daboll leaves.

[Southern_Bills]

17 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

I knew this was coming 

 

how many player swaps like we saw with Carolina?

Once the GM slot was filled that is

 

Beasley on the move!

[Malazan]

I'd be curious what level of interviews all the people going back and forth in here have actually been a part of..

 

Every interview I've gone to has been a joke. I generally already had the job before I ever stepped in the door. I've never been part of an interview that's on the level of a CEO/Coach/GM/etc, but I imagine most of the stuff that takes real time is done before/after the interview itself. 

 

On the other side of it now and I think interviews are worthless. There's nothing happening in an hour or so that's going to reveal deep secrets about the person. The only impact I've ever seen in an interview still pisses me off because 3 of us were interviewing an potential employee. She knocked the pre-interview stuff we sent her out of the park. In the interview, all 3 of us though she was great, but she swore at one point and the other two idiots voted her down for that because she'd talk to customers. 

 

That said, I think it's stupid and the NFL needs to mandate that all coaching interviews are on hold until after the superbowl. Make every team wait until afterwards even for guys who aren't in the playoffs. Say December 1st until Superbowl is a moratorium on coaching interviews so teams don't have to try to assemble a staff after everyone else has hired because their guy was in the Superbowl. 

[ArtVandalay]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Who did Dorsey replace with that promotion?

He didn't, they created the position for him. 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, AlfaBill said:

BS. If you’ve ever had to prepare for an interview it takes time, energy and preparation. His head should be 💯 invested in beating the Chiefs. Even 2 days not preparing has potential to bring bad results. Not to mention what he’ll be thinking about during the game! “***** I forgot to mention this or that during the interview! Or damn did I say that?” 

Schoen already knows Daboll though so maybe the interview was just them drinking beers watching their team emasculate the Pats.

[BuffaloBills1998]

10 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

 

If true thats just dumb. What coach would want to play for an owner who fired a man who got the most out of their team and had them at the edge of playoff for multiple years despite a lack of talent and not spending money... if anyone should have been fired in Miami it should have been the GM. Daboll should not even consider that job. If he suceeds he could still potentially get fired.

The problem with Flores was his inability to put together a competent and competitive  offensive staff. Also his players on the defensive side had to get into it with him In order to go back to the 2020 defensive game plan. He regressed as a HC

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Schoen already knows Daboll though so maybe the interview was just them drinking beers watching their team emasculate the Pats.

 

Yeah, Schoen knows more about Daboll than probably 99% of GMs knew about the coaches they eventually hired.  I'm sure the interview consisted mostly of how they would approach making the Giants better to make sure they were on the same page.

[LeGOATski]

27 minutes ago, Malazan said:

I'd be curious what level of interviews all the people going back and forth in here have actually been a part of..

 

Every interview I've gone to has been a joke. I generally already had the job before I ever stepped in the door. I've never been part of an interview that's on the level of a CEO/Coach/GM/etc, but I imagine most of the stuff that takes real time is done before/after the interview itself. 

 

On the other side of it now and I think interviews are worthless. There's nothing happening in an hour or so that's going to reveal deep secrets about the person. The only impact I've ever seen in an interview still pisses me off because 3 of us were interviewing an potential employee. She knocked the pre-interview stuff we sent her out of the park. In the interview, all 3 of us though she was great, but she swore at one point and the other two idiots voted her down for that because she'd talk to customers. 

 

That said, I think it's stupid and the NFL needs to mandate that all coaching interviews are on hold until after the superbowl. Make every team wait until afterwards even for guys who aren't in the playoffs. Say December 1st until Superbowl is a moratorium on coaching interviews so teams don't have to try to assemble a staff after everyone else has hired because their guy was in the Superbowl. 

Was she hot?

[LeGOATski]

29 minutes ago, Malazan said:

That said, I think it's stupid and the NFL needs to mandate that all coaching interviews are on hold until after the superbowl. Make every team wait until afterwards even for guys who aren't in the playoffs. Say December 1st until Superbowl is a moratorium on coaching interviews so teams don't have to try to assemble a staff after everyone else has hired because their guy was in the Superbowl. 

 

I view this as a parity thing. Like bad teams getting to draft first, they also get a shot at coaches first....potentially. It really is what they make of it. The well-run organizations will likely continue to do well with their front office acquisitions. Just another reason this is a whole nothing-burger to me.

[Scott7975]

18 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Why do people act like the coaches are preparing for the Chiefs 24/7? Do we really think they have absolutely NO time to fit in a video interview? The "distraction" complaint is way overblown.

 

Yes, coaching is a 24/7 job. Its a lot more than just fitting in a video interview.  An interview such as this takes a lot of prep work.  It isn't like interviewing for your local Timmy Ho's

Edited January 22, 2022 by Scott7975

[LeGOATski]

5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yes, coaching is a 24/7 job. Its a lot more than just fitting in a video interview.  An interview such as this takes a lot of prep work.  It isn't like interviewing for your local Timmy Ho's

No, it's like interviewing for shift manager at Timmy Ho's after you've already worked there for 10 years.

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Yes, coaching is a 24/7 job. Its a lot more than just fitting in a video interview.  An interview such as this takes a lot of prep work.  It isn't like interviewing for your local Timmy Ho's

 

2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

No, it's like interviewing for shift manager at Timmy Ho's after you've already worked there for 10 years.

 

Typically it's like the former.  In Daboll's case, it's the latter.

[Scott7975]

Just now, LeGOATski said:

No, it's like interviewing for shift manager at Timmy Ho's after you've already worked there for 10 years.

 

Is that what you think? LOL.  Not even close.  These type of interviews can last all day long.  It isn't a 10 minute zoom call.

Here read this for starters.  Its actually pretty interesting. At least I found it interesting, not sure if anyone else will...

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/19/nfl-head-coach-interviews-the-mmqb-jenny-vrentas

[LeGOATski]

7 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Is that what you think? LOL.  Not even close.  These type of interviews can last all day long.  It isn't a 10 minute zoom call.

Here read this for starters.  Its actually pretty interesting. At least I found it interesting, not sure if anyone else will...

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/19/nfl-head-coach-interviews-the-mmqb-jenny-vrentas

Oh, the Dolphins put everyone through that ringer and out popped the shiny pearl named Adam Gase!

 

What a story!

 

I can hear Stephen Ross now: "Adam, how dedicated to coaching are you?"

 

Gase: "I sleep in my office, sir!"

 

Ross: "Hot dang, you're our man!"

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

He didn't replace anyone: Daboll gave up/had to give up duties in the passing game.  The most obvious explanation is because the Bills are grooming Dorsey to be the next OC when eventually Daboll leaves.

Daboll was forced to “give up” “passing duties” in game??

1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said:

He didn't, they created the position for him. 

exactly.  

Edited January 22, 2022 by Mr. WEO

[AlfaBill]

4 hours ago, Malazan said:

I'd be curious what level of interviews all the people going back and forth in here have actually been a part of..

 

Every interview I've gone to has been a joke. I generally already had the job before I ever stepped in the door. I've never been part of an interview that's on the level of a CEO/Coach/GM/etc, but I imagine most of the stuff that takes real time is done before/after the interview itself. 

 

On the other side of it now and I think interviews are worthless. There's nothing happening in an hour or so that's going to reveal deep secrets about the person. The only impact I've ever seen in an interview still pisses me off because 3 of us were interviewing an potential employee. She knocked the pre-interview stuff we sent her out of the park. In the interview, all 3 of us though she was great, but she swore at one point and the other two idiots voted her down for that because she'd talk to customers. 

 

That said, I think it's stupid and the NFL needs to mandate that all coaching interviews are on hold until after the superbowl. Make every team wait until afterwards even for guys who aren't in the playoffs. Say December 1st until Superbowl is a moratorium on coaching interviews so teams don't have to try to assemble a staff after everyone else has hired because their guy was in the Superbowl. 

You’ve must have interviewed with the likes of Mr Kruger. George Constanzas boss. 

[ganesh]

12 hours ago, BearNorth said:

So Josh is 16 pounds heavier, at the same height, e.g. thicker, with more muscle mass.  Also a bit faster and arguably more explosive.  Energy = mass*speed^2.

 

Josh is as big if not bigger than the linebackers who have to deal with him in the running game, and much bigger than the safeties if he gets to the next level.

 

Jones always seems to be on the injury report. 

More than all that weight etc, it is really the SWAGGER !

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Daboll was forced to “give up” “passing duties” in game??

 

He might have been.  I don't know for sure.  I don't know too many OC's that would want to have duties taken away from them so that's why I added it.  Then again he might have done it willingly to keep Dorsey from taking an OC job elsewhere after last season, with the promise of him getting the job if when he got a HC'ing gig.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

He might have been.  I don't know for sure.  I don't know too many OC's that would want to have duties taken away from them so that's why I added it.  Then again he might have done it willingly to keep Dorsey from taking an OC job elsewhere after last season, with the promise of him getting the job if when he got a HC'ing gig.

 

 

who would hire an OC as HC  who had to have his passing chores (with a QB like Josh, no less) taken away from him and given to a nobody assistant coach??

 

Come on doc...it never happened.

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

who would hire an OC as HC  who had to have his passing chores (with a QB like Josh, no less) taken away from him and given to a nobody assistant coach??

 

Come on doc...it never happened.

 

I never said that pass duties were taken away from Daboll because he was doing a bad job.  I said they were given to Dorsey (who is anything but a "nobody assistant coach" considering he is widely believed to be the next OC for the Bills once Daboll leaves, and it wasn't just a promotion in name only) as an audition.  My question was whether he gave them up willingly or not (not that it matters).

Edited January 23, 2022 by Doc

[Warcodered]

 

[BaaadThingsMan]

Daboll will have Jones balling out before year one is over.

 

All those weapons.

 

Just need a defense and some O line help. 

[Paulus]

Giants screwing with both of the Bills' coordinators, right in the middle of a playoff run?

 

 

Humbug.

[machine gun kelly]

21 hours ago, harryS said:

 

on Monday, they should be preparing for the Titans.  what then?  unless there is a league wide rule that bans these interviews until a team is knocked out of the playoffs, i get why they have to do it now.

We’ll, no, the Titans lost, and yes, Monday is the day to deal with his future.  You’re wrong.

[Doc]

7 hours ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

Daboll will have Jones balling out before year one is over.

 

All those weapons.

 

Just need a defense and some O line help. 

 

He'll try his best, but the problem with Jones is between his ears.

[RoyBatty is alive]

7 hours ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

Daboll will have Jones balling out before year one is over.

 

All those weapons.

 

Just need a defense and some O line help. 

Is that all he needs, what is that 65% of the team excluding special teams.

 

I dont know Jones work ethic and smarts, if he doesnt have it like Allen you can forget it.   Jones has had plenty of time to develop as a real NFL QB.  IMO, he is what you see right now.  I don't think people appreciate Allen's work ethic and smarts.

Edited January 23, 2022 by RoyBatty is alive

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 hours ago, Paulus said:

Giants screwing with both of the Bills' coordinators, right in the middle of a playoff run?

 

 

Humbug.

Few realize that intrusive phone calls from the Giants have been a source of irritation across the league for years, at the most inopportune times.

 

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Doc said:

 

I never said that pass duties were taken away from Daboll because he was doing a bad job.  I said they were given to Dorsey (who is anything but a "nobody assistant coach" considering he is widely believed to be the next OC for the Bills once Daboll leaves, and it wasn't just a promotion in name only) as an audition.  My question was whether he gave them up willingly or not (not that it matters).

 

You think McD is going to take away his OC's bread and butter (even against his will)...to groom his successor?

 

no.

[ganesh]

7 hours ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

Daboll will have Jones balling out before year one is over.

 

All those weapons.

 

Just need a defense and some O line help. 

Whoever gets that HC job also can use Barkley instead of putting everything on Jones.  

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

You think McD is going to take away his OC's bread and butter (even against his will)...to groom his successor?

 

no.

 

So then, what you do think the "passing game coordinator" title/promotion was all about? 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

So then, what you do think the "passing game coordinator" title/promotion was all about? 

tossed the kid a bone.  resume building.

 

Daboll is calling the plays.  You know this