MAJBobby Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Here is a nice little Stat. Buffalo Bills Rushing TD leaders In the HISTORY of the team. In 4 years the Bills QB already up to 5th all time, and has a good look at getting to 3 all time before the end of the season. Get this team a freaking OL please. 4 3 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 That is nuts. He only needs 3 more rushing TD's to be #3 all time behind Thurman and OJ. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 That's crazy he's about to pass Fred Jackson. Cookie was not in Buffalo very long. His stats are pretty crazy given that. I think there is a good chance by the end of his career that he will be the Bills all-time rushing TD leader. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 He will likely pass Cookie this season. Does this include postseason TDs as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Here is a nice little Stat. Buffalo Bills Rushing TD leaders In the HISTORY of the team. In 4 years the Bills QB already up to 5th all time, and has a good look at getting to 3 all time before the end of the season. Get this team a freaking OL please. Seeing Jack Kemp at #10, with 25 is even more surprising to me! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) That is amazing from a player perspective. It is nauseating from a coordinator/GM perspective. As an OC, you put your franchise on the line more than 29 times for points. As a GM you did not provide your team with a RB and line that can do the job on short yardage/red zone. Edited December 13, 2021 by JDubya76 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 I’d also love to see how many QBs have thrown for 300 yards and rushed for 100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: That's what happens when you don't have a true RB1 That is not actually not all that relevant to this thread 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 I'd give my pinky toe to have a Thurman Thomas on this team. Holy smokes, Allen would likely be MVP every year and our O as a whole would be unstoppable 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 What I found weird and remarkable about this is that the Bills haven't been blessed with a lot of good QBs over the years but we have had many good backs: OJ, Thurman, Freddie, Cookie, Shady, Joe Cribbs, Greg Bell, McGahee, CJ, Wray Carlton, CJ (when in space)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: I'd give my pinky toe to have a Thurman Thomas on this team. Holy smokes, Allen would likely be MVP every year and our O as a whole would be unstoppable Behind this OL, Thurman would have his worst year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 =decades of futility at the RB position. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Hopefully he is not injured worse than we know and can play next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: =decades of futility at the RB position. or Decades of futility at the OL position 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: How so? He likely has less rushing TD's if there was a better runner on the team. Maybe. A fair amount of those are scrambles and there are definitely some sneaks and designed runs. I guess I think it is more telling of who Josh Allen is and what he is capable of and not as much about not having an RB. The Bills dont have an RB1....ok I guess I can agree with that. But largely during Josh Allen's tenure they have not seemed to desire to have that. The whole thing is built around what he does well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 There is another Stat I read today. Allen has had 2 Backs go over 100 yards in a game in his career. Singeltary and Gore Allen has three 100 yard rushing games in his career. Just now, mattynh said: Maybe. A fair amount of those are scrambles and there are definitely some sneaks and designed runs. I guess I think it is more telling of who Josh Allen is and what he is capable of and not as much about not having an RB. The Bills dont have an RB1....ok I guess I can agree with that. But largely during Josh Allen's tenure they have not seemed to desire to have that. The whole thing is built around what he does well. Minus the ***** OL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: I'd give my pinky toe to have a Thurman Thomas on this team. Holy smokes, Allen would likely be MVP every year and our O as a whole would be unstoppable I guess talent wise I understand what you are saying but if you put Thurman on the team, do you want to run more than we do now and pass more to RB's than we do now, that will take touches from Knox/Diggs/Sanders/etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: or Decades of futility at the OL position For some reason, people think RBs exist in their own bubble out on the field. Good ones get big runs, bad ones don't. Big runs almost always equate to "huge holes" and the RB has nothing to do with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: or Decades of futility at the OL position With RB, just have to hit on one player, not 5. Plus a great RB can run with a mediocre line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Should get to all time leader by the end of his career. Should be the all time leader in passing yard and passing touchdowns by that time as well. Goes to show you how special of a player we have leading the team right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OP Blue Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 41 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: That's what happens when you don't have a true RB1 And that is why he's injured now. Running QBs all get hurt eventually. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Mr. WEO said: With RB, just have to hit on one player, not 5. Plus a great RB can run with a mediocre line. How many RBs do anything with a ***** OL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Minus the ***** OL Yeah there is that......something is different this year vs last though. These same guys pass blocked better last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: For some reason, people think RBs exist in their own bubble out on the field. Good ones get big runs, bad ones don't. Big runs almost always equate to "huge holes" and the RB has nothing to do with that. Not to mention McD and Daboll keeping their best blocking WR on the Bench all season in Gabe Davis. and yet cry when Rbs getting 4 yards, well you have OL that cannot get to the second level and you have your stud blocking WR on the bench. 1 minute ago, OP Blue said: And that is why he's injured now. Running QBs all get hurt eventually. You know QBs have a much higher chance of getting hurt in the pocket than running. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Gene1973 said: Right. But I think the fact they have not desired a true RB1 is a mistake they have made, and we're seeing to consequences of that mistake this season. A 100% pass offense with the QB as the only running threat is proving to be unsustainable. Agreed! I think this gets addressed in a big way going into next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, OP Blue said: And that is why he's injured now. Running QBs all get hurt eventually. All QBs eventually get hurt. All football players, eventually get hurt. The statistics show that a Quarterback is more likely to get hurt in the pocket than he is running the ball. I am pretty sure if you go back to the game thats exactly what happened. If I recall he seemed to hurt his ankle and foot on a sack he took in the pocket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 27 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I’d also love to see how many QBs have thrown for 300 yards and rushed for 100 4. Josh, Cam, Russ, and Lamar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, mattynh said: Yeah there is that......something is different this year vs last though. These same guys pass blocked better last year. Did they? OR more likely Teams playing allen Differently this year. Josh covered alot of their flaws in the OL last year too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: How many RBs do anything with a ***** OL? So, since Thurman, the Bills have always had a *****OL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, mattynh said: I guess talent wise I understand what you are saying but if you put Thurman on the team, do you want to run more than we do now and pass more to RB's than we do now, that will take touches from Knox/Diggs/Sanders/etc. If you add Josh's + Moss + Brieda you get 170 runs so far this year. If we had a true #1 he'd take some of Singelary's 112 carries, all of Moss and Briedas, and 80% of Josh's. With better run blocking and a true #1 RB we can run no more than we have, be top 10 in the league in rushing, and take away most of the hits Josh takes. 15 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: All QBs eventually get hurt. All football players, eventually get hurt. The statistics show that a Quarterback is more likely to get hurt in the pocket than he is running the ball. I am pretty sure if you go back to the game thats exactly what happened. If I recall he seemed to hurt his ankle and foot on a sack he took in the pocket. No, Josh hurt his ankle on a QB run for about 20 yards when he was as tackled near the sideline by Devin White. Edited December 13, 2021 by Motorin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Here is a nice little Stat. Buffalo Bills Rushing TD leaders In the HISTORY of the team. In 4 years the Bills QB already up to 5th all time, and has a good look at getting to 3 all time before the end of the season. Get this team a freaking OL please. Crazy how many fumbles most of those guys have. Would never have guessed OJ had basically as many fumbles as TDs in his career. Probably because his gloves were the wrong size. 23 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: You know QBs have a much higher chance of getting hurt in the pocket than running 22 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: All QBs eventually get hurt. All football players, eventually get hurt. The statistics show that a Quarterback is more likely to get hurt in the pocket than he is running the ball. I am pretty sure if you go back to the game thats exactly what happened. If I recall he seemed to hurt his ankle and foot on a sack he took in the pocket. Running QBs still get hit in the pocket. Then they run and take more hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: So, since Thurman, the Bills have always had a *****OL? Yep they have. Since the 90s teams how long have we screamed for a competent OL? 16 minutes ago, Billl said: Crazy how many fumbles most of those guys have. Would never have guessed OJ had basically as many fumbles as TDs in his career. Probably because his gloves were the wrong size. Running QBs still get hit in the pocket. Then they run and take more hits. Injuries happen MORE in the pocket than a QB on the run. That is the reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Gene1973 said: That's what happens when you don't have a true RB1 No, that's what happens when you have a BEAST of a QB who can break arm tackles, truck LBers, and outrun DBs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 53 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: With RB, just have to hit on one player, not 5. Plus a great RB can run with a mediocre line. Except that you are then beholden to that one player. OL upgrades are better for the long run. As examples, Singletary would be lot more effective if we had a stronger run blocking OL core. (assuming Dumb-oll would call those run plays) 52 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Did they? OR more likely Teams playing allen Differently this year. Josh covered alot of their flaws in the OL last year too. But, yesterday, Allen had more time in the second half. Did the adjustments include OL changes? I would like to see what was different between half 1 and half 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 56 minutes ago, mattynh said: I guess talent wise I understand what you are saying but if you put Thurman on the team, do you want to run more than we do now and pass more to RB's than we do now, that will take touches from Knox/Diggs/Sanders/etc. Both. The point is having a RB that the defense respects in both the pass n run game would be phenomenal for this offense as a whole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Fact: if Our OLINE DLINE and sorry Running backs in pass protection had a quarter of the heart that Allen Has this team would never lose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I’d also love to see how many QBs have thrown for 300 yards and rushed for 100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 That’s what happens when you have an elite athlete at the QB position. Tremendous production by Allen; I’m glad he’s on our team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Gene1973 said: That's what happens when you don't have a true RB1 Guarantee you they’d be designing runs for him regardless…it’s just so hard to account for unlessssss you can get quick interior pressure which is what has been happening to us of course lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Gene1973 said: That's what happens when you don't have a true RB1 Don't need one 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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