McDermott Era Should End!

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, mannc said:

That’s fine, but you can’t deny that major coaching blunders in the last 13 seconds cost us that game…there’s just no hiding from that fact…

Yes, they made a mistake by kicking it out of the end zone.  They should have forced them to used some clock on the return.  💯 

 

McDermott has been a very good to great HC so far in Buffalo…..there’s just no denying that.

 

this thread is trash.  

Edited January 24, 2022 by NewEra

[mannc]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Im not denying anything. Are you hinting that someone should be fired?

No, but I’m starting to wonder how many other coaches might be able to reach the Super Bowl with Josh Allen in his prime, on a cheap contract…

[Wayne Arnold]

McDermott won't be fired, shouldn't be fired.

 

He's done an excellent job building the program.

 

However, being a championship-caliber bench coach is a separate skill set that it doesn't appear he has. So if he chokes in the playoffs again next year then he should be applauded for the very real contributions he's made for the organization and be replaced.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

McDermott won't be fired, shouldn't be fired.

 

He's done an excellent job building the program.

 

However, being a championship-caliber bench coach is a separate skill set that it doesn't appear he has. So if he chokes in the playoffs again next year then he should be applauded for the very real contributions he's made for the organization and be replaced.

If Mike McCarthy can win a super bowl with his own playoff coaching “skillset,” then we are not lost. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

McDermott won't be fired, shouldn't be fired.

 

He's done an excellent job building the program.

 

However, being a championship-caliber bench coach is a separate skill set that it doesn't appear he has. So if he chokes in the playoffs again next year then he should be applauded for the very real contributions he's made for the organization and be replaced.

Lol and just who in the hell are you gonna replace him with?? 

Edited January 24, 2022 by BuffaloBills1998

[Trogdor]

7 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Bottom line. McD is likely here in BUF as long as he wants to be, and level headed minds prevail and make these decisions. Those that want him ousted will be disappointed for ATLEAST the next 5 to 10 years. Give it up. Ain't happening. Wasted energy on your part.

 

The Bills have never had a better head coach in their history.

That's actually more depressing than the loss. With all the young talent in the AFC I can't imagine squandering that many years of cheap prime Josh. 

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

No, but I’m starting to wonder how many other coaches might be able to reach the Super Bowl with Josh Allen in his prime, on a cheap contract…

Keep wondering I guess.
 

This is year 2 of Allen being an elite QB and he’s not even in his prime. The SB window is going to be open for a while. 

[Wayne Arnold]

1 minute ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

If Mike McCarthy can win a super bowl with his own playoff coaching “skillset,” then we are not lost. 

 

Flukes can happen but aren't likely. Green Bay had won three Super Bowls before that. Bills have 0. We're not nearly that lucky. 

 

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Lol and just who in the hell are you gonna replace him with?? 

 

You're right. No one wants to be head coach for a team with a stud quarterback.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Huh? You think that was the only mistake made in that 13 second span? 

 

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yes, they made a mistake by kicking it out of the end zone.  They should have forced them to used some clock on the return.  💯 

 

McDermott has been a very good to great HC so far in Buffalo…..there’s just no denying that.

 

this thread is trash.  

 

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Huh? You think that was the only mistake made in that 13 second span? 

That’s what you took from my post?  Not surprised

 

Please Scott.  Tell me where I said that.  I pointed out, what I thought to be the biggest mistake of the game.  
 

you should make your own Mcdermott should be fired thread so you can bump it every time he makes a mistake.   

[billsfan1959]

12 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Geezus this dumb thread again.  It’s like a rash that won’t go away

 

12 hours ago, Bangarang said:

This was a dumb idea before and it’s still a dumb idea now. 

 

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yes, they made a mistake by kicking it out of the end zone.  They should have forced them to used some clock on the return.  💯 

 

McDermott has been a very good to great HC so far in Buffalo…..there’s just no denying that.

 

this thread is trash.  

 

I am afraid the flood gates have opened and tsunami of idiocy will wash over this board for awhile....

[mjd1001]

At this moment, this tread, and the sentiment by the title of it and the original poster, is in contention for the worst thread on this forum of 2022.  I'm all for the discussion that it brings and this is what message board are for, just I can't disagree with it enough.

Edited January 24, 2022 by mjd1001

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I don’t want him fired. Just surprised the kick off is your focus. The biggest mistake was having Wallace guard the boundary as Kelce ran by him wide open up the middle of the field to get into FG range….. just a complete brain fart…. This after a TO from McD. 
 

He’s a good coach, prepares his team well no question, but man does he coach scared at times and situational football is not his strength. 

Cool thanks for correcting me on my thoughts.  Enjoy your day

[Mr. WEO]

McD is somewhat of a magician: took a 13 win/AFCC game playing team and turned it into an 11 win (now 17 game season) that couldn't make the AFCC game, losing to the same team again.

 

Who would still argue against the contention that he's not a great game day tactician?  

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Flukes can happen but aren't likely. Green Bay had won three Super Bowls before that. Bills have 0. We're not nearly that lucky. 

 

 

You're right. No one wants to be head coach for a team with a stud quarterback.

So, who would you replace him with was the question 

[Jeffbigalls]

No it shouldn't , the bills are what they are because of him.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

McD is somewhat of a magician: took a 13 win/AFCC game playing team and turned it into an 11 win (now 17 game season) that couldn't make the AFCC game, losing to the same team again.

 

Who would still argue against the contention that he's not a great game day tactician?  

some would argue that we were 13 seconds from beating the best team in the league in one of the greatest football game ever played.  Mistakes were made vs a KC team that had an elite all time QB and WR that were able to take advantage of them.  
 

so now that it’s been confirmed that he’s not a good game day tactician, what do you propose that we do?  

[LABILLBACKER]

What good is process and culture if you have a stupid HC. Don't they cancel each other out?

[muppy]

13 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

"Keep him forever" the Bills fans said of McDermott.

 

"You never know how bad his replacement will be!"

 

 

 

 

posters who think McDermott should be fired oughta be mandated to name a replacement and why. Otherwise it's all  hot air as far as Im concerned.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

13 seconds away after their HC/DC blew it for their team…. Not much you can do. Firing him would be pretty dumb. Perhaps firing Frazier would be as well, just gotta hope he’s stops being a scared puppy in critical situations and learns how to correct his crucial in game mistakes…. I still think back to when he punted against the Colts in overtime in 2017. That’s who he is deep at his core. 

Right.  He’s scared at his core.  Got it

[BuffaloBills1998]

35 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Flukes can happen but aren't likely. Green Bay had won three Super Bowls before that. Bills have 0. We're not nearly that lucky. 

 

 

You're right. No one wants to be head coach for a team with a stud quarterback.

That didn’t answer my question. Let me put it another way, who’s available and is a better option than McD at this point or for the near future??

[mannc]

37 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Keep wondering I guess.
 

This is year 2 of Allen being an elite QB and he’s not even in his prime. The SB window is going to be open for a while. 

And how many years will it be ok for poor coaching to keep us from reaching and winning a Super Bowl?  This was an absolutely perfect opportunity for us to win it. No one has any idea how many other opportunities like this we will have...what happened last night was inexcusable and unacceptable.

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Some people are just so clueless...

 

Unless this is a self reflection, you fall into the exact category you described....

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

I don’t think mr.clapper time should end. Concerning  to me is Leslie Frazier, is still hired at one bills drive.  Can someone do  a Los Angels Kings moment when they locked Darrel Sutter out of the Locker-room?  Maybe they lock him out of the building, change the locks on the doors so his keys don’t work?  This guy has cost us time and time again.

[Wayne Arnold]

43 minutes ago, NewEra said:

So, who would you replace him with was the question 

 

I'd have to see who's available after the 2022 season. There are many very talented young coaches out there, maybe the most there has ever been. With Allen, Buffalo could choose whoever they want.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Wayne Arnold

[muppy]

As The Chat world Turns

 

this conjecture is going nowhere lol McD will not be replaced after this season.  Its laughable IMO.  Grass is always greener.....................HEY he could be the next #17 in  coaches body ohhhh baby baby!

 

**smirk**

 

@-@

[Wayne Arnold]

21 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

That didn’t answer my question. Let me put it another way, who’s available and is a better option than McD at this point or for the near future??

 

Like I said above, there are as many talented young coaches out there as ever who would love nothing more than to be a HC of a team with a quarterback like Allen.

 

McDermott is a good manager Monday through Saturday but not a good gameday coach. That's what this team needs now.

 

I'd give him 2022 to redeem himself and prove otherwise but that's it.

[NewEra]

18 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

I'd have to see who's available after the 2022 season. There are many very talented young coaches out there, maybe the most there has ever been. With Allen, Buffalo could choose whoever they want.

yeah, lots of talented coordinators that have proven they can coordinate.  

[papazoid]

McClappity shares alot of the blame for that loss.....no squibb kick at 13 seconds, no pressure on mahomes , failure of offense to attack the deep middle earlier.

 

but i dont want him gone.....we just got off the regime change merry go round....i dont want back on.

 

i give him great credit for the "culture" change....players have bought in

 

he needs to improve greatly in strategy, clock management and replay challenges

[HamptonBillsfan]

He's not going anywhere but he should take this crushing loss as something he could have avoided. His decisions were that of a coach who kept making the same mistakes, thinking the results would change. Kicking the ball into the end zone with 13 seconds, rushing 4, letting the KC's playmakers get free releases without bumping or holding them with 10 seconds left. Sean was clueless and can own this devastating loss after Josh saved us time after time. Shame on Sean. Bills fans will suffer for his egregious mistakes. 

[gobills404]

15 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

Keep loving a loser because he wears your colors 

You're projecting your insecurities

[Wayne Arnold]

4 minutes ago, papazoid said:

 

he needs to improve greatly in strategy, clock management and replay challenges

 

We've been saying this for five years. Those are extremely important qualities when chasing a Super Bowl win...and he's not going to suddenly get better at them in year 6.

[Mark92]

It's time to move on from Leslie Frasier.  The D is really good but it's time for a new Coordinator to recharge them.  

[Matt_In_NH]

23 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

It's time to move on from Leslie Frasier.  The D is really good but it's time for a new Coordinator to recharge them.  

 

Which direction can they go from first in most statistical categories?

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

For me at the end of the day coaching is big but what's even bigger is talent. All we had to do was get a sack on mahomes to end the game or break up 2 passes. I don't care what scheme were in the players on the field HAVE to make those plays. How is Kelce open 19 yards downfield? How is Tyreek Hill ever open? Where were our All pro safeties? 

[Jim Bob]

Beane is not going to move on from McDermott after how close they were to beating KC.

 

McDermott is unlikely to move on from Frazier unless another team hires him away.

 

As fans, all we can hope for is that they make the right moves this off season and this team is better next season. And if KC has to travel to Buffalo in the playoffs...

[Mark92]

7 minutes ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

 

Which direction can they go from first in most statistical categories?

If everyone is being honest with themselves here, the 2021 Buffalo Bills Defense was NOT the best defense in the league.  Yes they were good and statistically they topped the charts.  It helps to play the Jets and Dolphins twice, the falcons and the jags.  I believe a new Coordinator would change schemes and breathe new life into a Defense that looked helpless last night. The talent is there to have played the chiefs much better and have won that game.  

[Matt_In_NH]

2 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

If everyone is being honest with themselves here, the 2021 Buffalo Bills Defense was NOT the best defense in the league.  Yes they were good and statistically they topped the charts.  It helps to play the Jets and Dolphins twice, the falcons and the jags.  I believe a new Coordinator would change schemes and breathe new life into a Defense that looked helpless last night. The talent is there to have played the chiefs much better and have won that game.  

I have a different view.   They had a great season.   They had a great game in KC earlier in the season.  They got some stops yesterday but struggled on 3rd downs and got worn out.  The players did enough to win the game, if they just called those last two plays with 13 seconds left better we would be talking about playing the Bengals right now.   Not saying they cannot make some kind of incremental improvement but the play calls in certain situations was the problem and I think that can be imrpoved.

[Mark92]

25 minutes ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

I have a different view.   They had a great season.   They had a great game in KC earlier in the season.  They got some stops yesterday but struggled on 3rd downs and got worn out.  The players did enough to win the game, if they just called those last two plays with 13 seconds left better we would be talking about playing the Bengals right now.   Not saying they cannot make some kind of incremental improvement but the play calls in certain situations was the problem and I think that can be imrpoved.

Boy do I ever agree with this statement.  I would like to think the finally say was up to McDermott on the kickoff and the coverage on the following 2 pass plays but I don't know that.  I definitely think a change of some sort that shakes this team a little bit is in order.  My belief is the looking at the Coordinator positions.  Frasier and even Daboll should be on the hit seat.  I didn't agree with how much Daboll ran motor in the first half.  Never take the game out of your best players hands.  Luckily he came to his senses.  Frasier on the other hand did himself no favors with the coverages he installed yesterday.  

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, papazoid said:

McClappity shares alot of the blame for that loss.....no squibb kick at 13 seconds, no pressure on mahomes , failure of offense to attack the deep middle earlier.

 

but i dont want him gone.....we just got off the regime change merry go round....i dont want back on.

 

i give him great credit for the "culture" change....players have bought in

 

he needs to improve greatly in strategy, clock management and replay challenges

Exactly,  right now I require a little less process and culture. But good Lord improve your bonehead game decisions.  Last night not popping up that kickoff was incredibly stupid. Hill wasn't even back there. Signal to Bass and your unit what to do.

[Mat68]

No.  Relying on a undrafted FA who couldnt get a starting job elsewhere in FA, and a first year 7th rounder at corner got the Bills beat.  Mcdermott is a good coach.  The scheme he runs has been successful.  Buffalo needs better corners to beat Kc and probably Cincy.