Matt Breida transforms our offense.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

In a way he does transform the offense. His aptitude for the outside zone transforms an Ike Boettger from a liability into a decent run blocker, and he transforms Mitch Morse into a really good run blocker. Outside zone doesn't work well with the other two backs so you can't run it much, hence transformation. Not like we were running it every play in NOLA but it's an added wrinkle.

[Solomon Grundy]

7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I am thinking back to last year's draft.....what was that RB that got drafted by the jags ahead of us and got hurt?

 

Would we have taken him based on his physical skills and speed with that first pick watching how Brieda does so much better with this OL?

Travis Etienne

[Solomon Grundy]

5 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I just don't buy this.  McD and Daboll have spent their lives in football and have been successful.  But they're too stupid to see that Breida might be better than a 3rd rounder?   That just doesn't make sense to me.  I mean seriously, what coach says, "I don't care if he's outperforming X.  We used a 3rd round draft pick on X and X needs to play."  3rd round picks just aren't that special.  

 

I think this is more likely:  Breida is not a powerful back.  He's a speed guy who needs space to work and the Bills offensive line so far hasn't been good at creating space.  McD and Daboll probably thought Moss and Singletary were more likely to get yards when dealing with a penetrated backfield and crowded line of scrimmage.  

 

Explain Nathan Peterman, Vernon Butler. Even Ray Charles could see they weren't good but they kept trotting them out there. They may have been great practice players, but film don't lie. IMO, they were wasted roster spots. 

[LABILLBACKER]

5 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I just don't buy this.  McD and Daboll have spent their lives in football and have been successful.  But they're too stupid to see that Breida might be better than a 3rd rounder?   That just doesn't make sense to me.  I mean seriously, what coach says, "I don't care if he's outperforming X.  We used a 3rd round draft pick on X and X needs to play."  3rd round picks just aren't that special.  

 

I think this is more likely:  Breida is not a powerful back.  He's a speed guy who needs space to work and the Bills offensive line so far hasn't been good at creating space.  McD and Daboll probably thought Moss and Singletary were more likely to get yards when dealing with a penetrated backfield and crowded line of scrimmage.  

 

They take way too long to realize that these so called power backs can't run thru nonexistent holes. People who are alot smarter than me have observed all year the Bills OL struggle to zone block A-C gap plays. Yet from week 2 thru week 10 Daboll insisted to do it. Like pounding your head against a wall. Hondo it's ok to admit that these good coaches occasionally screw up on personnel decisions. Players like Peterman and Ford validates that argument.  I'm not saying Breida will jump in and become Thurman,  but at least this forces defenses to change their strategy. And yes coaches will give a 3rd rounder more rope than a low cost FA.  A 3rd round pick is still considered high.

[Spiderweb]

16 hours ago, JohnNord said:

Yeah… I would not say that he transforms the offense but he does give the team an element of speed and quickness that they have been lacking.  Breida also seemed to do a better job of picking yards in space.   The Bills offensive line is still frightening at times though.   
 

I think they should work Stevenson in for a few snaps as well for the same reason.  

All I'm saying is to keep this in perspective. Brenda was dumped by Miami for reason. He was not effective there. In SF he as effective in their run scheme but he was more prone to fumble than their other backs (which he has already shown us as well). He is on this team due to his speed and let's hope he can provide the spark McDermott was and is looking for. 

 

In no way is this in support of Moss or even Singletary who both have shown to have numerous worts. 

 

Perspective.

[billsfan_34]

8 hours ago, BananaB said:

Breida is just more explosive, that’s why he’s getting in the end zone.

Singletary’s couple TDs a year ain’t putting fear in any defences eyes. 
 

This really is a good offense to get the best out of Breida because  he’s not asked to do too much. With all our weapons opportunities should be easy to come by. That goes for all positions.  I always thought teams never really gave two ***** about Devin or Moss, let them have their carries they were never really gonna burn them.  Breida is too fast and speed kills. Defences are now gonna have to take notice

I have been on record as saying Moss and Motor are 3s at best on an NFL roster. Neither impose any late night worries in a DC!

[DCbillsfan]

22 hours ago, Spiderweb said:

Brenda gives our offense an additional weapon, but at 2.9 yards per carry, let's not get carried away. That is still a pedestrian performance.

The 2.9 ypc is not great but Breida gives the Bills a boost in the red zone that was lacking.  It gives Allen another option down there and it gives the opposing defense something else to defend.

[CSBill]

He brings a different element, especially as a receiver when we can get him in space (he has raw speed and seems to have good instincts), but "transforms"? I'll reserve judgement on that. I still have memories of the rather nonproductive Pittsburgh game--which is why he went into the Bills Witness Protection Program for several weeks--and his 29 yards rushing this week doesn't not scream "transformative."

 

I would suggest having Spencer Brown and Jon Feliciano back is more transformational to the running game. With them, the Online goes back to their best version of themselves, and that will be a bigger factor than any of the Bills running backs.

 

Edited November 27, 2021 by CSBill

[DCbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

They still need to draft a legit RB1 IMO.

Watching Breida these past few games, I tend to agree.  Allen needs more help back there.  

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

 

[TBBills]

I don't know,  it was only one game. If he provides consistency it will be something, but to say a guy transformed our offense for only being on the field for so long is a long stretch.

 

It was more Josh Allen passing the ball well with Knox being back. That transformed the offense,  not a guy who played in only 32% of snaps.

 

Josh Allen 100%

Dawson Knox 61%

Edited November 27, 2021 by TBBills

[jethro_tull]

He has the potential but so far the majority of times he gets the ball it exposes how bad our line is at run blocking. 

Against the saints he had 2.9 yards average per carry.   

[LyndonvilleBill]

Transforms, no. IMO, just a shiny new toy against an inferior opponent. 2.9 yards? Doesn't pass block, I would guess is it took 10 weeks because he doesn't know the playbook as shown by the screen play.😉. 

[Malazan]

So I guess all of "Cut Breida" talk is over then?

[zow2]

I like Breida and Stevenson for that matter. But each time they touch the ball i’m anticipating a fumble.  Don’t know why really, i guess they just seem slight out there getting hit by much bigger dudes. 

[TBBills]

3 hours ago, Malazan said:

So I guess all of "Cut Breida" talk is over then?

Until he fumbles or doesn't get a TD.

[billsfan1959]

4 hours ago, Malazan said:

So I guess all of "Cut Breida" talk is over then?

 

Breida is the new Duke Williams...

[hondo in seattle]

15 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Explain Nathan Peterman, Vernon Butler. Even Ray Charles could see they weren't good but they kept trotting them out there. They may have been great practice players, but film don't lie. IMO, they were wasted roster spots. 

 

These are different scenarios.

 

But regarding Peterman, what I heard was that he looked really poised and accurate in camp.  And again in preseason.  And fell apart in actual games.  

 

All talent evaluators make mistakes.  For whatever reason, they have hope some guy is going to step up and he doesn't.  

 

But to say McD made Breida sit because Moss and Singletary were 3rd round draft picks is just not very probable.  McD cares about winning.  For the sake of the team, the fans, and his own career, nothing is more important.  But he'll make Breida sit because of favoritism for a 3rd round pick.  That's not a believable scenario.  

 

Breida was a backup in San Francisco.  A backup in Miami.  But when McD makes him a backup in Buffalo, it's some kind of idiotic conspiracy.

Edited November 27, 2021 by hondo in seattle

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Breida is the new Duke Williams...

Horrific comparison.

[Putin]

10 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

They still need to draft a legit RB1 IMO.

I agree we need a legitimate RB1 we also need to fix this OL , it’s ridiculous that we face 6 man fronts and we still can’t run , until we get that fixed and have that safety come down and help with run support it will be hard to expect Josh to have another season like he did in 2020 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

These are different scenarios.

 

But regarding Peterman, what I heard was that he looked really poised and accurate in camp.  And again in preseason.  And fell apart in actual games.  

 

All talent evaluators make mistakes.  For whatever reason, they have hope some guy is going to step up and he doesn't.  

 

But to say McD made Breida sit because Moss and Singletary were 3rd round draft picks is just not very probable.  McD cares about winning.  For the sake of the team, the fans, and his own career, nothing is more important.  But he'll make Breida sit because of favoritism for a 3rd round pick.  That's not a believable scenario.  

 

Breida was a backup in San Francisco.  A backup in Miami.  But when McD makes him a backup in Buffalo, it's some kind of idiotic conspiracy.

 

If he ran the wrong screen route the other night because he didn't know the playbook, it's possible he knew even less of the playbook earlier in the season.  Hence the reason they didn't play him much, earlier.

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Horrific comparison.

 

This thread says otherwise....

[auburnbillsbacker]

He does not transform our offense.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

This thread says otherwise....

Duke Williams could not prove he was an NFL caliber player. 
 

Bad comparison.

[newcam2012]

On 11/26/2021 at 6:20 AM, FireChans said:

Honestly, why has it taken this dude 10 weeks to get on the field?

 

He’s an absolute weapon and a solid piece in passing and running. I saw several plays that Singletary got 4 on that Breida could have gotten 12 because of the difference in speed. Not to say Singletary had a bad game, he’s just limited.

 

Its time for 24 carries a game between the two of them for the rest of the year.

His speed is dynamic. Used correctly he can be a very nice weapon for the Bills. We've seen it the few games he's played. 

[newcam2012]

18 hours ago, Spiderweb said:

All I'm saying is to keep this in perspective. Brenda was dumped by Miami for reason. He was not effective there. In SF he as effective in their run scheme but he was more prone to fumble than their other backs (which he has already shown us as well). He is on this team due to his speed and let's hope he can provide the spark McDermott was and is looking for. 

 

In no way is this in support of Moss or even Singletary who both have shown to have numerous worts. 

 

Perspective.

Very good post. Brieda is a pure speed guy who is effective getting 5 to 10 touches a game. Outside runs and short passes and see if he can take it to the house. Last game was an example of his skill set when he took that screen in for a TD. He's a piece on the offense that makes the Bills more dangerous. 

[billsfan1959]

44 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Duke Williams could not prove he was an NFL caliber player. 
 

Bad comparison.

 

Right, my bad. I forgot, Breida and his immense talent suddenly transformed the Bills' offense into an unstoppable force...

 

I couldn't see that it wasn't the last 6 carries of the game netting only 8 yards and three negative yardage plays that mattered. It was the speed in which he displayed while netting those 8 yards that transformed the offense. Oh yeah, and I forgot the 23 yard TD reception in which he didn't see a defender for the first 10 yards and then ran through a big hole created by excellent downfield blocking to go untouched all the way to the endzone...

 

Look, I like the speed he adds to the offense and I hope he continues to see the field. However, starting a thread saying he transformed the offense is silly

[Putin]

9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Right, my bad. I forgot, Breida and his immense talent suddenly transformed the Bills' offense into an unstoppable force...

 

I couldn't see that it wasn't the last 6 carries of the game netting only 8 yards and three negative yardage plays that mattered. It was the speed in which he displayed while netting those 8 yards that transformed the offense. Oh yeah, and I forgot the 23 yard TD reception in which he didn't see a defender for the first 10 yards and then ran through a big hole created by excellent downfield blocking to go untouched all the way to the endzone...

 

Look, I like the speed he adds to the offense and I hope he continues to see the field. However, starting a thread saying he transformed the offense is silly

I think you should go and watch that screen play again I didn’t see any great blocking 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

So...transforms?

[FireChans]

38 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Right, my bad. I forgot, Breida and his immense talent suddenly transformed the Bills' offense into an unstoppable force...

 

I couldn't see that it wasn't the last 6 carries of the game netting only 8 yards and three negative yardage plays that mattered. It was the speed in which he displayed while netting those 8 yards that transformed the offense. Oh yeah, and I forgot the 23 yard TD reception in which he didn't see a defender for the first 10 yards and then ran through a big hole created by excellent downfield blocking to go untouched all the way to the endzone...

 

Look, I like the speed he adds to the offense and I hope he continues to see the field. However, starting a thread saying he transformed the offense is silly

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillDu01.htm
 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreiMa00.htm
 

Your comparison sucked and you continue to embarrass yourself.

[billsfan1959]

45 minutes ago, Putin said:

I think you should go and watch that screen play again I didn’t see any great blocking 

 

I did watch it and if you didn't see the good downfield blocking then you just don't want to see it.

16 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Your comparison sucked and you continue to embarrass yourself.

 

I'm not the one that started a thread about a backup running back transforming an offense that has averaged more yards and points per game without him than with him....

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I did watch it and if you didn't see the good downfield blocking then you just don't want to see it.

 

I'm not the one that started a thread about a backup running back transforming an offense that has averaged more yards and points per game without him than with him....

How does this make him Duke Williams? 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

How does this make him Duke Williams? 

 

It makes him someone you want and claim him to be - that he isn't and never will be. Much like the Duke Williams true believers.

 

But hey, if you want to believe Breida is the missing piece to bring a SB title to this team, then you be you... 

[TuelTime]

Free Breida

 

 

Edited November 28, 2021 by TuelTime
Free Bree Duh

[Thurman#1]

He'd done well.

 

But no he doesn't transform the offense. Teams didn't have film on him in this offense. That makes you a lot harder to prepare for. As they get film, they'll see tendencies and know how to defense him.

 

He's a good player, but transforming the offense is a major overstatement.

[Putin]

55 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I did watch it and if you didn't see the good downfield blocking then you just don't want to see it.

 

I'm not the one that started a thread about a backup running back transforming an offense that has averaged more yards and points per game without him than with him....

You are just grumpy old man 

[billsfan1959]

8 hours ago, Putin said:

You are just grumpy old man 

 

Not really.

 

But back to the point about the 23 yard TD play in which you said you didn't see any good blocking downfield. The hole that Breida ran through didn't magically create itself. Boettger did a great job disrupting 3 defenders and  Morse got his man. Ford (while typically lost) actually didn't have anyone to block here but was downfield and was looking to block the DB if Breida had to cut further inside behind Ford. There were five Bills downfield blocking or looking to block someone on this play. As a result, a half hearted arm extension by a DB is as close as Breida ever came to being tackled on this play. He did well on the play; however, to be honest, Singletary or Moss  probably would have gotten through that hole as well.

 

 

The truth about Breida's game on Thursday night is this: He brought some extra speed to the game and I like that in this offense. However, on the plays in which he did well, the blocking at the point of attack and/or downfield was good. When he was average to poor (which was on about half his touches), the blocking was bad. 

 

That is the same story we have seen all year, no matter who is in the backfield. The offensive line has been in shambles all year. The top four linemen and the positions in which they help this team the most are Dawkins at LT, Morse at C, Williams at RG, and Brown at RT. Those four have played together in only 4 of 11 games this year. When they have, the team averaged 135 yards rushing, 321 yards passing, 456 total yards, and 38.5 points per game.

 

Having those four on the field (with preferrably Feliciano or Boettger at LG) is what transforms this offense. 

 

 

Edited November 28, 2021 by billsfan1959

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Not really.

 

But back to the point about the 23 yard TD play in which you said you didn't see any good blocking downfield. The hole that Breida ran through didn't magically create itself. Boettger did a great job disrupting 3 defenders and  Morse got his man. Ford (while typically lost) actually didn't have anyone to block here but was downfield and was looking to block the DB if Breida had to cut further inside behind Ford. There were five Bills downfield blocking or looking to block someone on this play. As a result, a half hearted arm extension by a DB is as close as Breida ever came to being tackled on this play. He did well on the play; however, to be honest, Singletary or Moss  probably would have gotten through that hole as well.

 

 

The truth about Breida's game on Thursday night is this: He brought some extra speed to the game and I like that in this offense. However, on the plays in which he did well, the blocking at the point of attack and/or downfield was good. When he was average to poor (which was on about half his touches), the blocking was bad. 

 

That is the same story we have seen all year, no matter who is in the backfield. The offensive line has been in shambles all year. The top four linemen and the positions in which they help this team the most are Dawkins at LT, Morse at C, Williams at RG, and Brown at RT. Those four have played together in only 4 of 11 games this year. When they have, the team averaged 135 yards rushing, 321 yards passing, 456 total yards, and 38.5 points per game.

 

Having those four on the field (with preferrably Feliciano or Boettger at LG) is what transforms this offense. 

 

 

Counterpoint:

 

Breida averages 6.5 yards per touch. Moss averages 4.6, Singletary 4.7.

 

Breida averages a TD every 9 touches. Devin averages a TD every 62 touches, Moss every 18 touches.

 

To say that our two molasses boys “probably get through that hole too” when we have watched them get caught from behind for 2 years straight is laugh out loud funny.

 

Breida is our best weapon out of the backfield. He doesn’t even know the playbook and he’s running circles around the other two goobers.

[billsfan1959]

Just now, FireChans said:

Counterpoint:

 

Breida averages 6.5 yards per touch. Moss averages 4.6, Singletary 4.7.

 

Breida averages a TD every 9 touches. Devin averages a TD every 62 touches, Moss every 18 touches.

 

To say that our two molasses boys “probably get through that hole too” when we have watched them get caught from behind for 2 years straight is laugh out loud funny.

 

Breida is our best weapon out of the backfield. He doesn’t even know the playbook and he’s running circles around the other two goobers.

 

Are you Breida's mother by any chance? If not, then this really feels like an unhealthy fixation...