Brian3488 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 5 hours ago, newcam2012 said: Just giving an opinion. Isn't that what we do here? Like predicting the acore of a game. I think many times games or team tendencies are somewhat predictable. So fans often have a clue on how the game will go. Maybe you just don't know much about football and don't know team strengths, weaknesses, patterns, and tendencies. Thus, you are clueless. Sorry I didn't mean to insult, I just rather find defining a game in the way it goes is somewhat near impossible. Hence betting and Vegas lines. Jets are a good team with Mike White and if we find ourselves losing this game the board and the team will blow up. I respect opinions and thoughts, I really meant no disrespect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, Brian3488 said: Sorry I didn't mean to insult, I just rather find defining a game in the way it goes is somewhat near impossible. Hence betting and Vegas lines. Jets are a good team with Mike White and if we find ourselves losing this game the board and the team will blow up. I respect opinions and thoughts, I really meant no disrespect. Great post. No hard feelings here. Agree with the board blowing up if the bills lose. I think it would be quite justified though. Championship teams just don't lose back to back games to bottom 5 teams. I disagree that the Jets are a good team with or without White. The Jets are a bad football team. Bad football teams are capable of beating good teams. Just ask the Jags that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Who would have thought Jets could beat Bengals 34-31 with Mike White 405 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, ALF said: Who would have thought Jets could beat Bengals 34-31 with Mike White 405 yards. Bengals D looks like it is struggling right now. 34 points to Jets and 41 to Browns. Hard to say. Week to week league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 10 hours ago, newcam2012 said: I think the Bills win ugly on Sunday. The defense and special teams lead the way to a 23-13 win. Bills offensive problems continue. Lack of a run game and Allen under duress again. Jets will play lots of cover 2 and Beasley will be captain check down. Allen takes care of the ball and is turnover free. Bills defense gets 3 turnovers and Bass converts 3 field goals. Not pretty but the win is what counts. I'll take it... This, I think, is a realistic scenario. To the Jests the game is important because it’s a divisional opponent and they want to set the tone for the future. They will play hard. They have a little “giddy-up” in their step with White at QB. I just believe that at the end of the day, the Bills are motivated for bigger and better things and are embarrassed by what happened last week. They have a much better and deeper roster. And if you want to get the run game going the Jests are a good opponent…they gave up THREE scoring runs of 20+ yards to the Colts last Thursday night. I’m not predicting any scores…the league is too unpredictable…but I think there is at least a 50-50 chance the Bills cover the spread. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 This is a season defining game and perhaps a career defining game for JA and some coaches. In the NFL, a team that is not capable of running the ball soon allows the defences the ability of shutting you down. We have no running game. Spread offenses can be beat easily if you cannot run. We even stopped no huddle to help control defences, but even no huddle needs running, right Thurman Thomas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Just now, Niagara Bill said: This is a season defining game and perhaps a career defining game for JA and some coaches. In the NFL, a team that is not capable of running the ball soon allows the defences the ability of shutting you down. We have no running game. Spread offenses can be beat easily if you cannot run. We even stopped no huddle to help control defences, but even no huddle needs running, right Thurman Thomas! Those 90's Bills teams had a solid OL led by Hull and Singletary and Moss should never be included in the same sentence as HOF Thomas. I remember Kelly even saying Thurman was the heart and soul of their offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 35 minutes ago, Greg S said: Those 90's Bills teams had a solid OL led by Hull and Singletary and Moss should never be included in the same sentence as HOF Thomas. I remember Kelly even saying Thurman was the heart and soul of their offense. Not sure if even the Thurmanator could run behind this line. Moss and Singletary evidently had the lowest yards before contact in the league last year and so far this year as well (.22 this year!). Even to the extent that they're missing holes, I can't blame them entirely, since they must get shell shocked back there, much like Allen appears to be at times when the pass protection finally gives him time. It could very well be that Moss and Singletary are actually excellent backs, and that their ok yards-per-carry average is actually extraordinary given how awful the run blocking is, much like Allen's amazing ability to sidestep the rush masks its abysmal pass protection. We could be looking at the worst offensive line in NFL history, at least the lineup we saw last week. Dawkins and Williams regressing badly, Boettger a clueless, ill-trained backup, and Ford with his 5-11 pressures/game. Only Morse seems to be adequate--and no more than adequate. Put it this way: insert truly average backs and an average QB, and the world would see plainly how bad this line is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 14 hours ago, UKBillFan said: If we lose to the Jets it will feel like season over and the heat will really turn up on McDermott and either/or Daboll and Fraser, depending where the game was lost. The thing is even a sloppy win like against the Dolphins won’t feel like enough, it won’t feel as though the wheels have been put back on the track. Just looking at what happened around the Bucs being blown out by the Saints, they narrowly beat the Giants 25-23 (ignored warning sign) prior to the 38-3, then comfortably overcame the Panthers 46-23 in the following game. That’s the kind of response we need. I know it sounds bad, but I have no faith in the team at the moment that they’ll respond. I have a ton of faith in the team. Zero faith in the OL and run game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 16 minutes ago, finn said: Not sure if even the Thurmanator could run behind this line. Moss and Singletary evidently had the lowest yards before contact in the league last year and so far this year as well (.22 this year!). Even to the extent that they're missing holes, I can't blame them entirely, since they must get shell shocked back there, much like Allen appears to be at times when the pass protection finally gives him time. It could very well be that Moss and Singletary are actually excellent backs, and that their ok yards-per-carry average is actually extraordinary given how awful the run blocking is, much like Allen's amazing ability to sidestep the rush masks its abysmal pass protection. We could be looking at the worst offensive line in NFL history, at least the lineup we saw last week. Dawkins and Williams regressing badly, Boettger a clueless, ill-trained backup, and Ford with his 5-11 pressures/game. Only Morse seems to be adequate--and no more than adequate. Put it this way: insert truly average backs and an average QB, and the world would see plainly how bad this line is. Allen definitely covers up a lot of the OL weaknesses. Could you imagine Kelly with his lack of mobility playing behind this line. He would get killed. I wish we could do something to fix it now but unfortunately that will have to wait until the offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Greg S said: Those 90's Bills teams had a solid OL led by Hull and Singletary and Moss should never be included in the same sentence as HOF Thomas. I remember Kelly even saying Thurman was the heart and soul of their offense. TT was the soul for sure on O. Darryl Talley on D. A very very good Oline, but an O that could run and pass. In 2021 we have become a single phase game out of necessity, easy to game plan against. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: TT was the soul for sure on O. Darryl Talley on D. A very very good Oline, but an O that could run and pass. In 2021 we have become a single phase game out of necessity, easy to game plan against. Last 7 games the Bills have scored: 35, 43, 40, 38, 34, 26, 6. Let's hold off on declaring the offense dead. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, Greg S said: Allen definitely covers up a lot of the OL weaknesses. Could you imagine Kelly with his lack of mobility playing behind this line. He would get killed. I wish we could do something to fix it now but unfortunately that will have to wait until the offseason. Kelly, yes, or Brady, Manning, Bledsoe... Any number of immobile quarterbacks. Allen doesn't get enough credit for his escapability. He's like Houdini back there--he has to be. In fact, he might actually do better dodging one charging D-lineman and rolling out with two more running after him. Either way, his excellent play is allowing his blockers get away with it with poor play. I wonder if they've regressed because they had little incentive to do better, or even maintain their mediocre standards. That's not quite fair: Williams and Dawkins played well last year, and Morse has been steady. But I think most observers would agree that all of them except possibly Morse, are playing worse this year. That points to coaching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 18 hours ago, Logic said: Sure is a lot of Gabriel Davis in those highlights. Hmmm... Gabe Davis has been our best run-blocking WR. Sanders started the year strong with run blocking but of recent games he has not been getting it done. 3 minutes ago, finn said: Kelly, yes, or Brady, Manning, Bledsoe... Any number of immobile quarterbacks. Allen doesn't get enough credit for his escapability. He's like Houdini back there--he has to be. In fact, he might actually do better dodging one charging D-lineman and rolling out with two more running after him. Either way, his excellent play is allowing his blockers get away with it with poor play. I wonder if they've regressed because they had little incentive to do better, or even maintain their mediocre standards. That's not quite fair: Williams and Dawkins played well last year, and Morse has been steady. But I think most observers would agree that all of them except possibly Morse, are playing worse this year. That points to coaching. Bledsoe would get killed. Kelly would get killed. There are quick shots that Josh has been passing up, that Brady or Manning would hit. IF it's true that Josh is being coached to make his reads deep to shallow, it's not 100% "on Josh" that he's missing or not taking them, but there is a point that it's an intertwined problem - Josh trying to hold onto the ball and wait for the deep shot means he needs to buy time with his legs, but Josh passing up the quick shot in favor of the deep shot means the OL looks worse than it is sometimes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 Trubisky must not be able to be activated yet - Davis Webb elevated again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Bummer about Zimmer. Time for Harrison to shine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Trubisky must not be able to be activated yet - Davis Webb elevated again Oh CRAP about Zimmer. I thought he was fantastic in a couple of games. Terrible break for him, I hope they bring him back. How did he injure his knee, did anyone say? As far as activating Gentry and Fromm back to the practice squad, does that mean they have to cut someone to make room? @YoloinOhio? Or does elevating Davis Webb and Cam Lewis provide the room they need on the PS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 The Zimmer injury hurts...tough break for one of the glue guys on our roster, love his hustle and effort on every play. And I'd really been hoping never to see Vernon Butler play another snap for the Bills...ugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Oh CRAP about Zimmer. I thought he was fantastic in a couple of games. Terrible break for him, I hope they bring him back. How did he injure his knee, did anyone say? As far as activating Gentry and Fromm back to the practice squad, does that mean they have to cut someone to make room? @YoloinOhio? Or does elevating Davis Webb and Cam Lewis provide the room they need on the PS? They (media) think he injured it in practice yesterday because he was out there and now all of a sudden needs surgery… but not sure no need to cut anyone from the PS to activate gentry and Fromm. They didn’t fill those spots. *Edit- they did fill them, I forgot. They are currently at 17 but elevating Webb today keeps them at the max of 16. they do now have an open PS spot from cam Lewis being signed to the 53 davis Webb is just one of those free weekly PS call ups. However, he is now out of those so can’t be called up anymore without being signed to the 53 Edited November 11, 2021 by YoloinOhio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Last 7 games the Bills have scored: 35, 43, 40, 38, 34, 26, 6. Let's hold off on declaring the offense dead. Never suggested dead, but game planning is becoming easier against us and will continue until we can run. Play action is dead, long passing game is gone due to blitzing etc. Dec is coming, ball on the ground is an important balance. So let's just consider reality and concern about an offense that is looking less dynamic the last few weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Last 7 games the Bills have scored: 35, 43, 40, 38, 34, 26, 6. Let's hold off on declaring the offense dead. Yep panic button way too early. We've had the same run issues. Also guys like Sanders, Williams and Dawkins have played at near pro bowl levels before. I'm not ignoring our core OG issues, but not willing to cry just yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 51 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Never suggested dead, but game planning is becoming easier against us and will continue until we can run. Play action is dead, long passing game is gone due to blitzing etc. Dec is coming, ball on the ground is an important balance. So let's just consider reality and concern about an offense that is looking less dynamic the last few weeks. You stated that the offense had become "easy to game plan against". They have been held below 25 points once in the last 7 games. Could the offense be clicking better? Absolutely. Are they "easy to game plan against"? I doubt it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MiltonWaddams Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Cole, Dawson and Brown are so essential to this offense. So good to see them in there practicing!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 I feel no anger or really any other emotion after last week towards the Bills other than optimism, and I'm taking this season as it comes. We'll be there in the end hopefully, we have a team that can do it. That being said, they better punt the Jets into outer space lol. Losing to the Jets would break me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 I probably missed it, but how long is trubisky out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: You stated that the offense had become "easy to game plan against". They have been held below 25 points once in the last 7 games. Could the offense be clicking better? Absolutely. Are they "easy to game plan against"? I doubt it. Read please. I said it is becoming easier to game plan against us. The less you can run, the more attention the passing game gets. Each week we are less dynamic than early in the season because of a poor running game. IMHO. This is not about clicking. Deep passing game regression is affected by increase in pass rush as play action and run game us not a threat. JA has less time and more containment. He is being hit more. Yes the oline is weak and is a major cause of this but the running backs share some blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Read please. I said it is becoming easier to game plan against us. The less you can run, the more attention the passing game gets. Each week we are less dynamic than early in the season because of a poor running game. IMHO. This is not about clicking. Deep passing game regression is affected by increase in pass rush as play action and run game us not a threat. JA has less time and more containment. He is being hit more. Yes the oline is weak and is a major cause of this but the running backs share some blame. I did read what you wrote. You stated exactly "In 2021 we have become a single phase game out of necessity, easy to game plan against." I do not think anyone in the league considers the Bills easy to game plan against. But I will agree to disagree and hope that the Bills offense puts up 45 on Sunday so we can all breath a little easier for at least a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: I did read what you wrote. You stated exactly "In 2021 we have become a single phase game out of necessity, easy to game plan against." I do not think anyone in the league considers the Bills easy to game plan against. But I will agree to disagree and hope that the Bills offense puts up 45 on Sunday so we can all breath a little easier for at least a week. Easier not easy. Week one very difficult but once you show your tendencies then planning changes thru out the year. Easier because running game is poor and not dangerous as demonstrated over the weeks. I hope 45 points Sunday too, but one dementional teams eventually die by their only sword. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 35 minutes ago, Steptide said: I probably missed it, but how long is trubisky out? Don’t know but looks like they don’t expect him back in time to practice this week since they already elevated Davis Webb. He was placed on the covid list 11/6, I believe. Don’t know if he was positive or an unvaccinated close contact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar High JA17 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 BREAKING NEWS - Tremaine Edmunds (Hamstring) and Cole Beasley (Ribs) are in a fierce battle to see which injury can last longest on the report but not cost any real games or even remotely threaten Sunday status. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Last 7 games the Bills have scored: 35, 43, 40, 38, 34, 26, 6. Let's hold off on declaring the offense dead. I’m curious to see how much of our offensive line struggles are injury related…it’s incredible how much some of these guys have regressed since just last season. Darryl Williams was absolutely awful last week. Seems like losing Knox is when things started to go south 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Hoping for a repeat of this. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said: I feel no anger or really any other emotion after last week towards the Bills other than optimism, and I'm taking this season as it comes. We'll be there in the end hopefully, we have a team that can do it. That being said, they better punt the Jets into outer space lol. Losing to the Jets would break me. Thanks for spending 1st round picks on big Mike Williams, McGahee, and trading up for Losman. Gregg Williams was absolutely the right coaching hire. 5 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Last 7 games the Bills have scored: 35, 43, 40, 38, 34, 26, 6. Let's hold off on declaring the offense dead. Damn. We should let the league know we scored 34 against the Titans and maybe they'll change it from a loss to a tie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sugar High JA17 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Weather-Underground Sunday 11/14 A mix of clouds and sun early then becoming cloudy later in the day. High around 50F. Winds WSW at 5 to 10 mph. Sounds like a near perfect day for a HUGE BLOWOUT for the road team! GO BILLS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Excellent news on Knox and Brown. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 It's supposed to be nice. Sunny and in the low 50's. I will be there (Sec 101) hoping to see a Bills blowout win. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If Klein is not huge drop off, not that I want him to be, then Edmunds should not a get a big contract. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Greg S said: It's supposed to be nice. Sunny and in the low 50's. I will be there (Sec 101) hoping to see a Bills blowout win. I’ll be in 103 with my son. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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