Milanos Milano Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 He doesn’t even know the concept of a slant. If McDermott wants to prove he still has control of this team, he needs to look for a new OC tomorrow. 4 2 1 6 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Agreed. I wouldn’t be sad if he left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 He's terrible. He has been ever since he got here. Most overrated coach in the league and it's not close. Allen made him look good last year, but Daboll is one of the worst coordinators/ play callers in the league. Cross your fingers that he gets hired as a HC because I have 0 faith in McDermott to make the obvious decision to fire him. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Hard to be a good OC when the FO refuses to splurge for a decent Oline and running game............true story 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 We were winning in spite of Daboll. Why do you think Allen wanted more control over play calling? I’m so tired of the designed play run calls and then get mad when Allen fumbles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
727Bills Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I'm starting to think this as well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkim0904 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 RUN THE BALL AND CHNAGE THE FORMATION. 1st Q, 1st and goal on 3 yard line. We Should select I formation and power run. But Our first play, shotgun formation and delayed running play and lost 3 yard. That was a terrible call by Daball. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Nope. Bad players overrated by fans. 3 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, 727Bills said: I'm starting to think this as well.... It has to be. Think about it. We have Allen, Diggs, Beasley, and Sanders and respectable talent in Davis. We are winning (were winning) in spite of Daboll. The talent we have is good enough to win a super bowl, we are under performing and that is due to bad coaching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) He's garbage. I was hoping someone would hire him so we could move on. His offense is a one dimensional disaster. Edited November 7, 2021 by Azucho98 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 Either Allen, Diggs, Beasley, and Sanders are overrated or Daboll is terrible. Given how Diggs, Beasley, and Sanders graded out as some of the best separators in the league, I find it hard to place blame on the talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 In order for the Bills to have lost to Jacksonville a LOT had to go wrong and it did. Yet it’s funny how everyone wants to point the finger at Daboll while overlooking some other big factors on offense. Does Daboll deserve some blame. Yes. You can criticize some of his play calls. But to there were two factors that were more responsible and just as responsible the offensive line and yes…Josh Allen. He admitted he played like crap, yet so many fans want to argue otherwise. No matter what was called, the OL screwed it up. People hated the run calls, but they were chosen to loose up Cover 2 and because the Bills had the numbers advantage the OL couldn’t make it work. Same with the passes. Josh was rushed almost every drop back. So badly that he tried to press and do too much. Which goes back to Allen. He’s an MVP candidate and easily considered a top 10 QB. As bad at the line had played, he should be able to overcome that against a terrible NFL defense on a 1 win team. Josh needs to be better. The root of the problem is the OL. While it is reasonable to expect that Allen and Daboll’s play calling should be better, given how poorly the OL played it’s nearly impossible. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 LOL and there's another thread started 4 or 5 days ago, stating Daboll may go to Bears next year and everyone was worried sick about losing him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
727Bills Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: It has to be. Think about it. We have Allen, Diggs, Beasley, and Sanders and respectable talent in Davis. We are winning (were winning) in spite of Daboll. The talent we have is good enough to win a super bowl, we are under performing and that is due to bad coaching. The OL isn't helping matters this year, but even last year when they were playing well there were some head scratching games of play calling by him and it's not going away, almost seems to be getting worse. But is that cause he knows the OL isn't playing well and is causing him to press too much with changing up the calls based on it's not working? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 At some point, McDermott has to start feeling the pressure for these inexcusable losses. How much more talent does he need to win it all? We have Allen, Diggs, Sanders, Beasley, and Davis. What do you need to do? Get another #1 receiver? Obviously we need better lineman, but there is no reason to be losing to teams like the Jags. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 The first down calls have been repetitive and therefore predictable and stopped easily. The creativity and change ups seem to have vanished. They know what they are doing, the question is why. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: He doesn’t even know the concept of a slant. If McDermott wants to prove he still has control of this team, he needs to look for a new OC tomorrow. This whole coaching staff is overrated but nobody is getting fired although I suggested we release a bum like Cody Ford immediately to send a message. And I still don't understand why Frazier (and McD) insist on sitting in soft zone especially against a rookie QB and they should have been blitzing on pretty much every down. Be just a little aggressive and the defense probably wins the game today. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, Process said: He's terrible. He has been ever since he got here. Most overrated coach in the league and it's not close. Allen made him look good last year, but Daboll is one of the worst coordinators/ play callers in the league. Cross your fingers that he gets hired as a HC because I have 0 faith in McDermott to make the obvious decision to fire him. He’s so terrible that his offense is the #1 scoring offense in the NFL and is considered among the top OC’s in the league. I guess fans of Two Bills Drive know something the rest of the NFL does not 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: At some point, McDermott has to start feeling the pressure for these inexcusable losses. How much more talent does he need to win it all? We have Allen, Diggs, Sanders, Beasley, and Davis. What do you need to do? Get another #1 receiver? Obviously we need better lineman, but there is no reason to be losing to teams like the Jags. How many inexcusable losses have there been under the McDermott regime? 2 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 The FO went all in on DLINE and the OLINE falls apart lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: We were winning in spite of Daboll. Why do you think Allen wanted more control over play calling? I’m so tired of the designed play run calls and then get mad when Allen fumbles. Well if Josh made the right read on that play he wouldn't fumble. Look Daboll deserves some of the hate he is getting today. Don't think he did a good job, but it isn't all on him. The OLine is by far the biggest problem and in a tight ball game you cannot have the three turnovers we had. By all means criticise Daboll, he deserves some blame. But it isn't all on playcalling. If only it were that simple. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: He doesn’t even know the concept of a slant. If McDermott wants to prove he still has control of this team, he needs to look for a new OC tomorrow. This is a 💩💩💩 take even for this message board Just now, GunnerBill said: Well if Josh made the right read on that play he wouldn't fumble. Look Daboll deserves some of the hate he is getting today. Don't think he did a good job, but it isn't all on him. The OLine is by far the biggest problem and in a tight ball game you cannot have the three turnovers we had. By all means criticise Daboll, he deserves some blame. But it isn't all on playcalling. If only it were that simple. Gunner Bill I agree 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 How's it Daboll when Josh is overwhelmed every play because the running game is nonexistent. Ford, Williams and Boettiger were beaten on most of the pass plays in the 4th qtr. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 So, Dorsey? They won’t fire Daboll, but what about anyone else in the offensive coaching staff gives you belief that they can guide the O to a Super Bowl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, JohnNord said: Gunner Bill I agree 100%. I think you said it even better in your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: This whole coaching staff is overrated but nobody is getting fired although I suggested we release a bum like Cody Ford immediately to send a message. And I still don't understand why Frazier (and McD) insist on sitting in soft zone especially against a rookie QB and they should have been blitzing on pretty much every down. Be just a little aggressive and the defense probably wins the game today. The Jags had 218 yards of total offense and scored 9 points and yet people are complaining about the defense and the way they are coached. You can’t make this stuff up. 2 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: He doesn’t even know the concept of a slant. If McDermott wants to prove he still has control of this team, he needs to look for a new OC tomorrow. Imma bet that when the game film comes out we will see slant routes. Josh Allen called it accurately. Said something in a presser a few weeks back after a win to the effect of “ you win, you’re the best, you’re on top of the world. You lose, you need to fire people and rebuild everything” Sounds as though he called it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, Eastport bills said: How's it Daboll when Josh is overwhelmed every play because the running game is nonexistent. Ford, Williams and Boettiger were beaten on most of the pass plays in the 4th qtr. Well, the running game being non-existent is at least in part due to Daboll. He’s no Greg Roman when it comes to scheming the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 My Jags supporting friend messaged me after the game and said "is that your starting oline? Because that is the worst oline performance I have seen by any team we have played." And not for nothing. The line sucks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I think this is a scouting department issue. The misses and not drafting playmakers is a problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Well if Josh made the right read on that play he wouldn't fumble. Look Daboll deserves some of the hate he is getting today. Don't think he did a good job, but it isn't all on him. The OLine is by far the biggest problem and in a tight ball game you cannot have the three turnovers we had. By all means criticise Daboll, he deserves some blame. But it isn't all on playcalling. If only it were that simple. The o line is killing us. It’s a wreck. I don’t like the fact that diggs is MIA this year and that wrinkles like the jet sweep and four wide have gone away. But it all starts up front. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: LOL and there's another thread started 4 or 5 days ago, stating Daboll may go to Bears next year and everyone was worried sick about losing him. Definitely not everyone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, BillsFan1 said: The FO went all in on DLINE and the OLINE falls apart lol. I’m a thread of unreasonable takes you can certainly argue more attention should’ve paid to the OL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: My Jags supporting friend messaged me after the game and said "is that your starting oline? Because that is the worst oline performance I have seen by any team we have played." And not for nothing. The line sucks Particularly the guard play we have like absolutely zero if it could be possible a negative number interior line push these guards are just not NFL caliber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: The o line is killing us. It’s a wreck. I don’t like the fact that diggs is MIA this year and that wrinkles like the jet sweep and four wide have gone away. But it all starts up front. Yep. I think they need to find more ways to get Diggs the ball. They have to force it to him some because he will change the way teams defend. At the moment teams are willing to let the Bills have Beasley and the running backs. They are setting up not to let Stef beat them. If we can start getting it to Stef despite that it will change the plans. I don't mean forcing balls I mean forcing it in terms of game plan and especially script - first 15 etc. We are missing Knox as strange as that sounds given what people thought about him coming into the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: At some point, McDermott has to start feeling the pressure for these inexcusable losses. How much more talent does he need to win it all? We have Allen, Diggs, Sanders, Beasley, and Davis. What do you need to do? Get another #1 receiver? Obviously we need better lineman, but there is no reason to be losing to teams like the Jags. We need a LT, 2 guards, a serviceable RB, a slot WR(Beasley is done.) I don’t know how you miss on 2 RB’s. That’s pretty hard to do. They’re the slowest guys on the field. Bad scouting? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: Well, the running game being non-existent is at least in part due to Daboll. He’s no Greg Roman when it comes to scheming the run. Please Milt, Daboll can't overcome turnstiles. When the Bills were putting up big #s with some pass protection, Daboll was a genius. Sean deserves some of the blame for an undisciplined performance with so many unnecessary penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Everyone always wants to blame the coordinator and it’s never the coordinator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) I won't blame Daboll for the run game being poor. We have poor run blocking and RBs with zero explosiveness. Singletary and Moss would each be okay #2 RBs, on a good offense they would be #3s. Watch James Conner go off against a good defense today and you realize just how bad Singletary and Moss are. No OC in the league could create a successful run offense with them with this o-line. I will however blame Daboll for inexplicably trying to get the RBs involved, often at the worst times. Every time we hand the ball off in the red zone we waste a down. Typically we have exactly 2 chances to get into the end zone because Daboll insists on running the ball once to "keep defenses honest." I'm okay if we don't keep defenses honest. I will happily tell them before the play "this is going to be a pass into the endzone" on 3 straight plays and I still like our chances better than trying to run the ball. On a similar note, all the dumb screen passes to anyone not named Stefon Diggs are a waste of a down. All the quick swing passes to Beasley are a waste of a down. Zone reads with Allen choosing to keep or hand off the ball are a waste of a down. This is the part where someone says "you still have to run those plays to keep defenses honest." See what I said above. I would rather focus heavily on our strengths at the expense of balance for the sake of balance. Let Singletary and Moss pass block. Let Beasley run normal crossing routes. Roll Allen out of the pocket where he can decide to throw or run the ball. Daboll is way overthinking it right now. And I recognize that today the o-line was more to blame than anything. But he needs to do a better job keeping the offense on schedule and scoring in the red zone, and that means less wasted downs on plays that we never execute well. Edited November 7, 2021 by HappyDays 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Governor said: Everyone always wants to blame the coordinator and it’s never the coordinator. He definitely deserves some blame. O line is awful. But daboll has had a lot of curious play calls to say the leasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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