[Edit] Jon Gruden resigns over controversial emails discovered in WFT investigation

[TH3]

2 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

So, we have a guy that's never been accused of being a racist before. No evidence of such to my knowledge. And then we are going to assume he was dumb enough to put a racist statement in black and white where it will never go away?

 

I suppose.....but after his explanation I am going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

My bad….his explanation TOTALLY MAKES SENSE

[Bray Wyatt]

23 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

He's trying to frame the narrative of what he said. He's saying he was calling the guy a liar because apparently saying someone has rubbery lips means that to him(never heard of that). But he didn't say the guys lips were rubbery or even that they were like a tire which would be vague enough to mean rubbery. He said they were the size of tires. Whatever you feel about what he said aside, his explanation smells like bull#### to me.

I can see how you would feel that way, honestly. But not passing the smell test in my book doesn’t equate to loss of job for a guy who has no other history of racist actions or remarks

[eball]

Did anyone else read the topic and think Gruden sent an e-mail regarding Smith when he was ten years old?

[Beast]

7 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

His explanation just doesn't make any sense.

 

Well, if it doesn't make any sense to you why aren't you calling for his head? I mean, he was in his mid 40's when he made this statement. It's either he's racist or he isn't.

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

I can see how you would feel that way, honestly. But not passing the smell test in my book doesn’t equate to loss of job for a guy who has no other history of racist actions or remarks

And I'm not saying that just that his explanation is baloney.

Just now, Beast said:

 

Well, if it doesn't make any sense to you why aren't you calling for his head? I mean, he was in his mid 40's when he made this statement. It's either he's racist or he isn't.

See this guy gets it.

[Process]

What a time to be alive 

[delirious]

Mark Davis releases statement:

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An important part:

"...with other materials provided to us today by the NFL"

Edited October 8, 2021 by delirious

[Augie]

51 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:

Teenage Josh Allen posts rap lyrics (having worked with teens for 20+ years they [post music lyrics .. even if they shouldn't) vs a grown man making obvious racial comments .. I do not see the correlation at all.

 

I’ve never had anything but dislike for Gruden. He was good on TV, but not a great coach or person.  I was in the Tampa market and would hear comments from players there during his time (taking credit for Tony Dungy’s team) in Tampa.

 

I also had some personal experiences as our sons traveled in some of the same high school football circles. These comments and his ridiculous (to me anyway, a guy who has never heard a liar called “rubber lips”) way to cover his tracks do not surprise me at all. Gruden is all about Gruden and I can’t begin to describe how happy I am he is not the coach of our team. I’d have some difficult decisions to make. 

[Arkady Renko]

I hope in time that our nation can heal.  

[Augie]

19 minutes ago, eball said:

Did anyone else read the topic and think Gruden sent an e-mail regarding Smith when he was ten years old?

 

Gruden would sell you that if he thought you might buy it! He’s that kinda guy! 

[Mark Vader]

21 minutes ago, eball said:

Did anyone else read the topic and think Gruden sent an e-mail regarding Smith when he was ten years old?

🤚

[BuffaloBillyG]

Even if that ridiculous explaination of "rubber lips" is truthful (Call me skeptical but I do not believe it is) comparing a man of color's lips to car tires of all things IS a racist analogy. 

 

The league may not mandate termination, however if Davis is AT ALL wanting to move on this is his chance to get out of that huge contract. 

[GETTOTHE50]

I don’t think Gruden is racist. 

[YoloinOhio]

Urban just sent gruden a fruit basket 

[BuffaloRebound]

What an ass.  Davis would be smart to use this opportunity to get out that horrible contract.  

[co_springs_billsfan]

7 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Even if that ridiculous explaination of "rubber lips" is truthful (Call me skeptical but I do not believe it is) comparing a man of color's lips to car tires of all things IS a racist analogy. 

 

The league may not mandate termination, however if Davis is AT ALL wanting to move on this is his chance to get out of that huge contract. 

Can he though?  If this was 10 years ago it preceded the contract by quite a bit. Davis/Raiders had their own due diligence to perform. I guess we can't really know, it's all in the wording of the contract, which we don't have 

[Big Turk]

Really ignorant comments but it was 10 years ago and he didn't work for the NFL at the time.

 

I'm not sure how they would justify a suspension or any action against Gruden.

 

Pretty sure all of us have said something in texts, emails or Twitter posts that wouldn't have looked great at some point during our lives. Not excusing the behavior but I mean even some pretty serious crimes have a statute of limitations under 10 years 

[billsfan89]

This is a nothing story, Gruden made some unsavory comments 10 years ago and has apologized. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, JaCrispy said:

Who cares? I make fun of lips all the time...like, “Damn, check out those meat curtains!”

So, in addition to saying "who cares" about racist comments you double down with sexism and misogyny. Really wish ToS would let me say more here....

[JaCrispy]

Just now, No Place To Hyde said:

So, in addition to saying "who cares" about racist comments you double down with sexism and misogyny. Really wish ToS would let me say more here....

That’s right! 👍

 

I was inspired after watching Dave Chappelle’s “The Closer”...good stuff...😉