quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 He averaged 6.5 yards on 11 carries. How much does another 14 carries change the game? Personally, Josh throwing 51 times isn’t sustainable, and we did him zero favors by not establishing the run. 3 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Does that mean three more fumbles? 2 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) we ran 25 times, that is More than enough. that is a 50/50 ratio. I want the ratio closer to 60 / 40 Pass to run when the season is over. EDIT- Ignore my poor Monday Math, I will leave it here though to remind myself I am an idiot. Edited September 13, 2021 by MAJBobby 1 1 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 Just now, MAJBobby said: we ran 25 times, that is More than enough. that is a 50/50 ratio. I want the ratio closer to 60 / 40 Pass to run when the season is over. I mean 25 feature back runs. Not Josh falling forward into linebackers 9 times. 5 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Just now, quinnearlysghost88 said: I mean 25 feature back runs. Not Josh falling forward into linebackers 9 times. You can take Josh's 9 runs and hand them to Singletary that is fine. I hate the designed Runs, except the QB sneaks. Thats fine. But I also do not want to RUN more 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: we ran 25 times, that is More than enough. that is a 50/50 ratio. I want the ratio closer to 60 / 40 Pass to run when the season is over. In what world is 51 pass attempts and 25 run attempts a 50/50 split? Wouldn't a 50/50 splits be 25 runs and 25 passes? or am I missing something. 3 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 We didn’t win 13 games and have one of the league’s best offenses last year by giving our RBs 25 carries. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 Just now, warrior9 said: In what world is 51 pass attempts and 25 run attempts a 50/50 split? Wouldn't a 50/50 splits be 25 runs and 25 passes? or am I missing something. Right it’s 66/33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) We had SIXTEEN total run plays that didn't include Allen and one of those was McKenzie. And I think 5 of the 16 were on the last drive. It was not in the game plan at all. We thought we could hold up their front 4 in pass pro and made a terrible mistake. Edited September 13, 2021 by Big Blitz 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, warrior9 said: In what world is 51 pass attempts and 25 run attempts a 50/50 split? Wouldn't a 50/50 splits be 25 runs and 25 passes? or am I missing something. My bad monday and math never good. But 25 total runs is right about where I want to be 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Most of his yards were in garbage time. I expect if we went in run heavy, Pitt would have adjusted and stopped us there. We're not a good running team, probably the best we can do there is the occasional run to keep Ds honest. We have to get faster at executing regardless of run or pass though, every play yesterday just looked lethargic. The scheme worked against us. The only good plays were a result of amazing individual effort versus good design. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: We didn’t win 13 games and have one of the league’s best offenses last year by giving our RBs 25 carries. We averaged 21 carries last season. Just give them all to the back and have Josh on 3rd/4th and 1. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Has Singletary ever got that many carries in a Bills game? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Most of his yards were in garbage time. I expect if we went in run heavy, Pitt would have adjusted and stopped us there. We're not a good running team, probably the best we can do there is the occasional run to keep Ds honest. We have to get faster at executing regardless of run or pass though, every play yesterday just looked lethargic. The scheme worked against us. The only good plays were a result of amazing individual effort versus good design. There was 9 mins left in the game down by 10 when he ran for 15 and then 25. Is that garbage time? Edited September 13, 2021 by quinnearlysghost88 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: He averaged 6.5 yards on 11 carries. How much does another 14 carries change the game? Personally, Josh throwing 51 times isn’t sustainable, and we did him zero favors by not establishing the run. Singletary is not starting RB material in this league, i don't care that he worked out and got bigger. He is not fast enough and not fluid enough to make catches, he also had two fumbles yesterday. The guy relied on making people miss in college and is only on this team because Beane does not want to admit he made mistake drafting him in the 3rd round. The offence will not get to an elite level until that position is upgraded just like most were calling for after the loss to KC. The guy had a grand total of 8 yards on 3 catches. Why were the Bills looking to upgrade last season before the trade deadline? position of weakness last year and i see very little improvement. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 The issue was the OL couldnt Run Block either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 No because our O-line has not established they can run bock, and Daboll thinks they can get away with last year's empty set, 4and 5 receiver, quick strike offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, bmur66 said: Has Singletary ever got that many carries in a Bills game? He averaged 12 carries in ‘19 and 9 last year, so probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: We averaged 21 carries last season. Just give them all to the back and have Josh on 3rd/4th and 1. No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Just now, Eastport bills said: No because our O-line has not established they can run bock, and Daboll thinks they can get away with last year's empty set, 4and 5 receiver, quick strike offense. And they will.....not against fronts like Pitt, Wash, or Tampa unless Josh plays near perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 Just now, Big Blitz said: And they will.....not against fronts like Pitt, Wash, or Tampa unless Josh plays near perfect. Right. This iteration of the Bills gets stomped by Tampa’s D. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 No. The OL isn't good enough. The Steelers were playing 100% looking for pass. If the bills even gave the ball to Singletary 10 more times, the Steelers D-unit would have played even more balanced, and Singletary would have gotten under 4 yards per carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Does that mean three more fumbles? Dang-- you beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 4-5 yards a carry is fine. Take what the defense is giving you. Make them commit more to the run. Daboll is like a 3 point shooter that continues to hoist contested 3’s when the defense is leaving the lane wide open. Mix in a few drives to the hoop to soften up the defense. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: And they will.....not against fronts like Pitt, Wash, or Tampa unless Josh plays near perfect. I hope you're right. If so, I will be guilty of overreacting to one bad performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Just because you pay a guy 43M doesn't mean you're obligated to pass 66% of the time. DC's will have an easier time game planning Josh this year based on Daboll's tendencies. I'd like us to run more. Keep defenses honest and not dropping 7 in zone coverage. Obviously our OL might struggle blocking 4 let alone more. If a hitter knows a fastball is coming it increases your avg tremendously. Activate Moss and at least run it 45% of the time. Daboll has to be much more creative in keeping pressure of JA. He didn't do it in KC and he didn't do it yesterday. Big mistake to wish for the Dallas offense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Lets put this in Perspective. Bills 25 Carries. CLE - 26 KC - 23 Dal - 18 Tampa - 14 NYJ - 17 Carolina - 27 Jax - 16 HOU - 41 AZ - 33 Tenn - 22 LAC - 29 WFT - 27 PHI - 31 ATL - 26 Min - 22 CIN - 36 SF - 28 Det - 24 Sea - 27 Indy - 30 MIA - 23 NE - 30 GB - 15 NO - 39 Den - 28 NYG - 20 CHI - 26 LAR - 23 So do not run it more, Run it more effectively, and with the RIGHT person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, warrior9 said: In what world is 51 pass attempts and 25 run attempts a 50/50 split? Wouldn't a 50/50 splits be 25 runs and 25 passes? or am I missing something. It's actually 54 passes because he was sacked 3 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: There was 9 mins left in the game down by 10 when he ran for 15 and then 25. Is that garbage time? By your handle, i know you've been around a while. WHen you've watched enough games, you know when one team has already ceded the field. It was garbage time because Pitt didnt care if we ran the ball. The whole second half, the Bills were stuck in molasses, from getting the play in, to getting to the line, to getting the play off. The longer that game lasted, the more Pitt would have won by 8 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Just because you pay a guy 43M doesn't mean you're obligated to pass 66% of the time. DC's will have an easier time game planning Josh this year based on Daboll's tendencies. I'd like us to run more. Keep defenses honest and not dropping 7 in zone coverage. Obviously our OL might struggle blocking 4 let alone more. If a hitter knows a fastball is coming it increases your avg tremendously. Activate Moss and at least run it 45% of the time. Daboll has to be much more creative in keeping pressure of JA. He didn't do it in KC and he didn't do it yesterday. Big mistake to wish for the Dallas offense. Opposing D Coordinators can assume henceforth that in critical situations, Daboll go to page 973 of the playbook and find the dumbest play possible. It will make their jobs easier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 32 minutes ago, warrior9 said: In what world is 51 pass attempts and 25 run attempts a 50/50 split? Wouldn't a 50/50 splits be 25 runs and 25 passes? or am I missing something. You must be old! You've never taken "New Math" in school! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: It's actually 54 passes because he was sacked 3 times. And 3 holding calls on pass plays? Is that 57 drop backs? Hey good news, all that passing under duress and zero INTs is impressive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 its one only game... and really each team (O, D, ST) and respective coaching has to share blame...sucks when D knows what play you are running at a critical stage (pitch to Breida for loss of what 7 !)...you dont deserve to win when you allow a blocked punt to score...and the D did not rise up and stop Pitts come crunch time to bail out the O... Next...tough road game in heat at Miami - likey do better against man schemes that fish use extensively on D...so lets see some better coaching and effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: And 3 holding calls on pass plays? Is that 57 drop backs? Hey good news, all that passing under duress and zero INTs is impressive. I think there were four holds called and two declined. I'd need to check. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen2 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 It very well COULD have changed the complexion of the game. The Squealers defended us by rushing four (and often times 3) and playing a zone defense that "crowded" the passing lanes. Running more with Singletary and Moss (if he were available) would have undoubtedly pulled defenders from coverage to defend the line of scrimmage. The problem with that strategy is that the blocking of our OL was so abysmal that maybe our 6.5 per rush (from a real running back) may have become ineffective in a hurry had Pit "loaded the box" with more defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 This is a quality over quantity argument. I think we need to run more effectively, not just more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Probably not. He had a moment or two yesterday. But his 25 yard pick up is overvaluing his production to fans. He had a good day yesterday, but nor carry the team great. The offensive unit/staff as a whole lost the game. There is not a single quick fix for that other than just being holistically better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 If he hypothetically ran for 100 yds and 3 TDs....then yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 You can’t say this on WGR, for them running empty all game, every game is the only way to win because it’s 2021. I think the Bills hem themselves into this template where every game needs to be 50 throws, no run game, Josh is our leading rusher. Josh is sloppy with the ball when he runs. The underneath outs to Diggs and slants to Beasley were open, but Dabol gets impatient. I think we win yesterday if attempt the 53-yard FG from Bass, and not throw backwards on 4th-1 from a tight goal line formation. But Singletary was not the issue yesterday. He gets no work. This was like fans who used to get on Spiller when he got 3 or 4 carries a game and fans were upset he didn’t average 5.0 ypc. Singletary is not the Bills problem. We have turned into a empty set, throw every play team regardless of how the game is actually playing out on the field. Yesterday our tackles were being abused, so it’s on Josh to be the man at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 You also run to close out games. If there is any complaint with how the game script was written was not going Run Heavy in the 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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