Hypothetical: Do the Bills win if we give Singletary 25 carries?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

4 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

This is a quality over quantity argument. I think we need to run more effectively, not just more. 

To the OP, we win that game if the plan was more conservative, we punt on 4th-1 and 4th-8 and run Singletary more.

 

The Bills (and media) apply the same pass first template to every game, every situation and the Chiefs and Steelers have both shown us now that that method can be beaten.

[Don Otreply]

54 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

You can take Josh's 9 runs and hand them to Singletary that is fine.  I hate the designed Runs, except the QB sneaks.  Thats fine.  But I also do not want to RUN more

When running is working, it can be used to ones benefit…, doesn’t mean every game, 

 

Go Bills!!!

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Don Otreply said:

When running is working, it can be used to ones benefit…, doesn’t mean every game, 

 

Go Bills!!!

Agree my ONLY issue with the Script, is that the 3rd QTR should have been run heavy.  You were in a dog fight but winning, thats when you start closing the game out with the Run 

[TheFunPolice]

I might be crazy, but I really like Singletary.

 

I think he's noticeably faster this year and he was great his rookie season.

 

Do we run screens? Draws? KC runs quite a bit for a team that seems all about Mahomes. I would like to see a bit more balance and some creativity. 

[Don Otreply]

43 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Agree my ONLY issue with the Script, is that the 3rd QTR should have been run heavy.  You were in a dog fight but winning, thats when you start closing the game out with the Run 

Yes, it does depend on circumstances at hand, 

[The Jokeman]

and as good as we were defending the run the Steelers gave their rookie RB 16 carries. Say what you want but throwing 51 times doesn't win you much in the NFL. 

[BillsFan1]

Please, run the ball more.   Offense looks like Chuck and Duck the Oilers used to run.  Not good.

[Mr. WEO]

no

[CountDorkula]

3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

and as good as we were defending the run the Steelers gave their rookie RB 16 carries. Say what you want but throwing 51 times doesn't win you much in the NFL. 

The average QB throws the Ball 35 times a game now. 

 

Good ones throw the ball 40+ times a game. 

 

The NFL is a passing league now. 

 

Its not uncommon to see 45-50 pass plays a game anymore. 

29 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

I might be crazy, but I really like Singletary.

 

I think he's noticeably faster this year and he was great his rookie season.

 

Do we run screens? Draws? KC runs quite a bit for a team that seems all about Mahomes. I would like to see a bit more balance and some creativity. 

Buffalo ran the ball more than KC did last year.

 

You could trade CEH for an average RB and the results would be exactly the same for KC.

 

They are good because their pass offense is unstoppable. 

 

[FilthyBeast]

Unless you are the Tom Brady era Pats, you win in this league with balance.

 

And this is the problem, since Daboll was around for a large chunk of those Brady SB era teams in New England, he's trying to run the same type of offense in Buffalo not understanding that Allen is not Brady and this defense isn't Belichik's.

 

So yes we really need to trying running the ball a little more especially against Miami since they have the ability to what the Steelers did on defense in some matchups/cases.

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

No it is Zac Moss time he has the size and quickness and you have to see if he is the guy the Bill's passed on Johnathan Taylor, in the draft so they could draft Aj and get Moss later on because you can't just piss away a season and think next year. Wait until the draft you don't know you could draft the next Eric Dickerson, and all of a sudden first game injury oh out for the year.

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[BBills88]

2 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

I mean 25 feature back runs. Not Josh falling forward into linebackers 9 times. 

Only time I want JA17 to run the ball is 4 & inches. Or we on the goal line.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

6 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

The average QB throws the Ball 35 times a game now. 

 

Good ones throw the ball 40+ times a game. 

 

The NFL is a passing league now. 

 

Its not uncommon to see 45-50 pass plays a game anymore. 

Buffalo ran the ball more than KC did last year.

 

You could trade CEH for an average RB and the results would be exactly the same for KC.

 

They are good because their pass offense is unstoppable. 

 

I just think Kansas City and the Steelers showed the Bills that Allen being the entire offense (throwing virtually every play and expecting him to be the leading rusher as well) is not a copy and paste template for every game. 

 

WGR has really pushed this constant narrative that running is to be avoided at all costs, that any running game is bad. Fans are scared to say we should run more, that Singletary needs to touch the ball more, but in this game that was the case. The Steelers got back into this game because our line was being caved in and we kept throwing anyways, and made two horrible calls on 4th-down. 

 

Had we thrown underneath and ran some more, I think that's a game we would have won. 

 

I don't understand how Singletary gets blame for this game for not running well enough, the guy gets virtually no work. 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

He averaged 6.5 yards on 11 carries. How much does another 14 carries change the game? 
 

Personally, Josh throwing 51 times isn’t sustainable, and we did him zero favors by not establishing the run. 

 

Outside of the two big runs in the 4th...he didn't do much.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

8 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Unless you are the Tom Brady era Pats, you win in this league with balance.

 

And this is the problem, since Daboll was around for a large chunk of those Brady SB era teams in New England, he's trying to run the same type of offense in Buffalo not understanding that Allen is not Brady and this defense isn't Belichik's.

 

So yes we really need to trying running the ball a little more especially against Miami since they have the ability to what the Steelers did on defense in some matchups/cases.

Allen is great on the underneath throws. Diggs was open all day on out routes. Beasley slices underneath on slants and he is open. 

 

The Bills OC gets impatient and just wants it all right now. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

You also run to close out games.  If there is any complaint with how the game script was written was not going Run Heavy in the 3rd

We don't ever go run heavy. Not yesterday.  Not last year. We're going to come to the harsh reality that we've got a great qb and very good wrs but our OL is bottom half of the league. Defenses will continue to come after Josh and flood the passing lanes while completely ignoring Devin and Dawson. As many have accurately said in other threads, Daboll is on a short leash. Those 4th down plays were embarrassments. There's a reason he didn't get hired after last season.

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Allen is great on the underneath throws. Diggs was open all day on out routes. Beasley slices underneath on slants and he is open. 

 

The Bills OC gets impatient and just wants it all right now. 

 

You might be right and I guess there's a reason why the Chargers and other teams passed on Daboll.

 

But at the end of the day it still comes down to QB and yesterday was one of Allens worse games in his career even when guys were wide open.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

You might be right and I guess there's a reason why the Chargers and other teams passed on Daboll.

 

But at the end of the day it still comes down to QB and yesterday was one of Allens worse games in his career even when guys were wide open.

I haven’t watched the game again, but upon first viewing I don’t think that was the case.

 

I think WGR has pushed this narrative that Allen should be the entire offense, that any hint of running is bad, and so we’re all disappointed when Allen doesn’t play like a superhero.

You have Bass, you skip a chance of a 53 yard FG to try a gunned pass into triple coverage on 4th-8 and the Steelers score.

 

The Bills got impatient and it’s all on Allen yesterday to make tight window throws down the field, when simple passes were working and the defense largely played lights out.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

To the OP, we win that game if the plan was more conservative, we punt on 4th-1 and 4th-8 and run Singletary more.

 

The Bills (and media) apply the same pass first template to every game, every situation and the Chiefs and Steelers have both shown us now that that method can be beaten.

I don’t think we lost because we weren’t conservative enough. 
 

It boils down to our O line being mismatched against their D line. 
 

If we can it more often with a similar lack of effectiveness then that does not make the D change to respect the run. Their DBs would still sit back in zone. Their D line would still pin its collective ears back. 

[GunnerBill]

Not with this line, no. excluding the two long runs against prevent he averaged 3.5 ypc. Not his fault, when the Steelers were contesting the line of scrimmage our guys got zero push up front.