Cole Beasley and Gabriel Davis must sit out 5 days due to close contact

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, stevestojan said:

But you’re wrong. The close contact rule doesn’t apply the same for the vaccinated vs non, as someone else pointed out. 

Which makes little sense, because the person they are worried about had the vaccine.   Do you see how backwards that is?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Can you explain why it makes a difference?   If you are vaxxed, and can still get the virus and also pass the virus, why does having a mix matter?  Serious question, not trying to be sarcastic.

 

I appreciate your serious question, but please go look at the data on transmission risk provided in the Covid Facts thread, and if you want more discussion hit me, and I'll be happy to explain in PM.  General epidemiology discussion is beyond the scope here.

[Thurman#1]

3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

But what is much lower?  Have they quantified it?    I see breakthroughs, especially in sports teams constantly being reported.

 

 

Yes. That's what the guy above was talking about when he said it was about 80% effective. Supposed to be around 90% effective at preventing infection from the old strains and about 80% effective from the Delta variant last I saw.

 

Even if it's only 10 - 20% of people exposed getting infected, if millions are being exposed, that's still tons of cases.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, thenorthremembers said:

Which makes little sense, because the person they are worried about had the vaccine.   Do you see how backwards that is?

This is what beasely and other nfl players have been complaining about …

[Dablitzkrieg]

Why are people so uneducated still about the vaccine?  You CAN test positive when you are vaccinated.   What is so hard to understand about that?  Many people here think and assume Star and Gabe are unvaccinated.   If they have stated as such, I'm wrong, but nowhere has this been stated to my knowledge.

Edited August 24, 2021 by Dablitzkrieg

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, warrior9 said:

Which makes no sense because clearly, the guy who has COVID .. is vaccinated. 

 

Rules are rules though .

 

Exactly, You Got It.  The rule may or may not make sense, but the Rule is the Rule and (as Belly Cheat proved time and time again) the advantage goes to those who use the rules to their advantage.

[warrior9]

Just now, Dablitzkrieg said:

Why are people so uneducated still about the vaccine?  You CAN test positive when you are vaccinated.   What is so hard to understand about that?  Many people here think and assume Star and Gabe are unvaccinated.   If they have stated as such, I'm wrong, bit nowhere has this been stated to my knowledge.

If they were vaccinated, they would not have been sent home... per the NFL rules.

 

It makes noooo sense. 

[Beerball]

4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Read the posts.  Posters are literally bemoaning the fact that the Bills have players who havent received the vaccine, when the person they are being sent home for being in close contact with had the vaccine. 

If they had been vaccinated and tested negative there is no 5 day isolation. 

[SCBills]

What happens if any of these 3 test positive, miss their time, and then say, Week 4 this happens again and they're unvaccinated but clearly should have natural immunity.... I'm assuming they still have to miss 5 days again?

 

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by SCBills

[JGMcD2]

This makes me want to lock myself up in my house again and do nothing.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

This is what beasely and other nfl players have been complaining about …

Just get the damn shot!! FDA approved 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Why are people so uneducated still about the vaccine?  You CAN test positive when you are vaccinated.   What is so hard to understand about that?  Many people here think and assume Star and Gabe are unvaccinated.   If they have stated as such, I'm wrong, bit nowhere has this been stated to my knowledge.

 

We think they're unvaccinated (or not fully vaccinated) because per NFL policy, vaccinated players who are close contacts get tested daily but don't need to quarantine as long as they test negative.

 

Caveat that they could be in the process of getting vaccinated and the "unvaccinated" rules would still apply.

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

So now we can keep Kumerow and Stephenson!

Yay worse players 

 

And how does this create roster spots btw?

[Process]

1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Why are people so uneducated still about the vaccine?  You CAN test positive when you are vaccinated.   What is so hard to understand about that?  Many people here think and assume Star and Gabe are unvaccinated.   If they have stated as such, I'm wrong, bit nowhere has this been stated to my knowledge.

If they were vaccinated they wouldn't have been tested this morning.... And they wouldn't be sent home for being a close contact...

 

They aren't vaccinated

[Wayne Cubed]

I think the NFL will obviously need to relook at policy with the Delta variant, the playing field just isn't the same. They were able to complete a season within the pandemic without any major incidents so they know what needs to be done.

[Beerball]

1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Why are people so uneducated still about the vaccine?  You CAN test positive when you are vaccinated.   What is so hard to understand about that?  Many people here think and assume Star and Gabe are unvaccinated.   If they have stated as such, I'm wrong, but nowhere has this been stated to my knowledge.

They are unvaccinated. They would not have been sent home otherwise.

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Why are people so uneducated still about the vaccine?  You CAN test positive when you are vaccinated.   What is so hard to understand about that?  Many people here think and assume Star and Gabe are unvaccinated.   If they have stated as such, I'm wrong, but nowhere has this been stated to my knowledge.

They would not have been sent home of they were fully vaccinated. It is possible they have had one or both shots but have not yet cleared the time frame to be considered fully vaccinated 

[stevestojan]

Just now, thenorthremembers said:

Which makes little sense, because the person they are worried about had the vaccine.   Do you see how backwards that is?

I don’t think the horse collar tackle should be allowed while the QB is in the pocket. I think the player’s safety is just as much at risk in the pocket as outside of it when tackled by the back of the jersey. I think that logic is backwards. 
 

But that’s the NFL’s rule; horse collar isn’t against the rules if done while the QB is in the pocket.

 

I can stomp my feet all day long about how that doesn’t make sense, but it won’t change because I don’t understand it. Also, players are made aware of the rule. It’s not for me to like it or not, or approve of it. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

Just get the damn shot!! FDA approved 

 

Again...the NFLPA negotiated vaccination to be a personal choice, so it's their right to exercise that personal choice.

 

 

[Don Otreply]

This is an example of why we should keep seven WRs…, 

[4_kidd_4]

oooh do some more corny raps about it!!!

[JGMcD2]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Just get the damn shot!! FDA approved 

FDA approved as of yesterday... even if that's what they were waiting for and get the shot yesterday... it still wouldn't have solved this issue the team ran into today. 

 

I think the people yelling about how it's FDA approved are funny (you're not the only one who I've seen do it in this thread)... the FDA has approved 1 vaccine and they did that on Monday. It's not like it's been FDA approved for weeks, months or even days... it's been a day. 

 

It's like facts don't matter. 

[MAJBobby]

Here is my issue with the way the NFL is handling this.  

 

Initially the more restrictive protocols for the unvaccinated players made sense, and lets be honest here also was pressure points to try and get majority of the players vaccinated.  

 

Then came Delta, and the NFL has been slow to react.  You can absolutely have the same protocols for the unvaccinated players in place (example the restrictive travel issue that got Cam on his 5 day stay at home).  But what the NFL SHOULD do immediately if this really is about protecting against outbreaks and not pressuring players is Change the Testing Protocol back to daily, regardless of  vaccinated status, the areas that do that are having a better time tracking COVID.  Starting to even see some schools do it.  

 

This Virus cannot be really tracked when you have different testing protocols for your staff based on the vaccination status of your staff.  Delta and the breakthough infections have shown that.  

 

The Right answer is continue to try and get your players to take the now FDA approved vaccines, you do this through education, not pressure points on protocols.  And also go back to daily testing of ALL players and Staff regardless of the vaccination status of them.   

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

14 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

My friend, that is NOT the worst case scenario. Not even slightly close.

 

I do worry that this seems pretty likely to happen again during the season, and that even if they don't test positive that we miss games. Could happen again and again to the same guy or guys. The rules allow the vaxxed to play through close contact. Not the unvaxxed.

 

Sorry yes, didn't mean to minimize the health concern aspect

[oldmanfan]

Just now, JGMcD2 said:

FDA approved as of yesterday... even if that's what they were waiting for and get the shot yesterday... it still wouldn't have solved this issue the team ran into today. 

 

I think the people yelling about how it's FDA approved are funny (you're not the only one who I've seen do it in this thread)... the FDA has approved 1 vaccine and they did that on Monday. It's not like it's been FDA approved for weeks, months or even days... it's been a day. 

 

It's like facts don't matter. 

Facts are that the vaccines are incredibly effective and we’ve known that for months. Facts are that NFL policies strongly encourage players to do the smart thing.  And facts are many do not, and that will adversely affect their team.

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

1 minute ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

Honestly, I find these Chinavirus related topics as boring as saltwater flavoured soup.

 

I wonder if you will continue to be bored by these topics when games are missed?

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Here is my issue with the way the NFL is handling this.  

 

Initially the more restrictive protocols for the unvaccinated players made sense, and lets be honest here also was pressure points to try and get majority of the players vaccinated.  

 

Then came Delta, and the NFL has been slow to react.  You can absolutely have the same protocols for the unvaccinated players in place (example the restrictive travel issue that got Cam on his 5 day stay at home).  But what the NFL SHOULD do immediately if this really is about protecting against outbreaks and not pressuring players is Change the Testing Protocol back to daily, regardless of  vaccinated status, the areas that do that are having a better time tracking COVID.  Starting to even see some schools do it.  

 

This Virus cannot be really tracked when you have different testing protocols for your staff based on the vaccination status of your staff.  Delta and the breakthough infections have shown that.  

 

The Right answer is continue to try and get your players to take the now FDA approved vaccines, you do this through education, not pressure points on protocols.  And also go back to daily testing of ALL players and Staff regardless of the vaccination status of them.   

Agree on daily testing.

[Dablitzkrieg]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

They would not have been sent home of they were fully vaccinated. It is possible they have had one or both shots but have not yet cleared the time frame to be considered fully vaccinated 

Then I stand corrected 

[warrior9]

20 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Just get the damn shot!! FDA approved 

.....

Edited August 24, 2021 by warrior9

[JGMcD2]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Facts are that the vaccines are incredibly effective and we’ve known that for months. Facts are that NFL policies strongly encourage players to do the smart thing.  And facts are many do not, and that will adversely affect their team.

They're incredibly effective but not as effective as we thought they were... amazing how things change in just a few months.

 

Correct... strongly encourage them but do not make them.  It's a fact they negotiated for personal choice on COVID-19 protocols... that's how it is set up for players. Get over it.

[SydneyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

 

I wonder if you will continue to be bored by these topics when games are missed?

 

Why worry about something that is completely out of your control?

 

There is absolutely nothing to be gained by getting worked up over vaxxed or unvaxxed footballers and the choices they make.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Not a surprise, even with the vax. Lots of breakthrough cases occur.  But they are only tested like every 2 weeks so less likely there will be a positive that way.

 

The NFL is "behind the data" on the Delta variant and needs to change their policies to reflect emerging data.  I think they will, but when? After 1-2 teams have an outbreak?  Even though the risk of vaccinated players/personnel catching and transmitting the virus is lower than unvaccinated, it is now sufficiently higher that the policies for vaccinated players no longer reflect the epidemiology.

 

"You can't fly the forecast, you have to fly the weather you find."

"The territory is not the map, even if the map is a really pretty and well-drawn map"

etc.

 

 

 

 

 

[nucci]

2 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

 

Why worry about something that is completely out of your control?

 

There is absolutely nothing to be gained by getting worked up over vaxxed or unvaxxed footballers and the choices they make.

so what do you worry about? This is a discussion board. It's what happens here. No one is trying to gain anything

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Facts are that the vaccines are incredibly effective and we’ve known that for months. Facts are that NFL policies strongly encourage players to do the smart thing.  And facts are many do not, and that will adversely affect their team.

 

Yes, it will adversely affect the team.  Agreed there. 

 

As far as these players thinking..

 

We were told the vax would prevent you from getting covid (initially). 

 

It's now morphed into, you can still get it and still transmit it, but it drastically reduces the chances you'll get very sick..  Fair enough, but these players are in great shape and likely feel they won't get very sick regardless - and they're probably correct.   

 

It then comes down to:  Do you trust the vax enough to take it solely so you don't hurt the team?

[Punching Bag]

47 minutes ago, Logic said:

With more than 80% of most teams being vaccinated, things should certainly be BETTER than last year. On the other hand, as I understand it, there won't be the same strict lockdown-type procedures when teams travel this year, meaning that players can go out to eat, to clubs, etc -- and we have seen that the vaccinated CAN still contract COVID. As such, I expect quite a few missed games due to positive COVID tests this season.

 

Wait for teams to be trimmed before citing numbers of season - the distribution of the shots is probably not even.

[SirusB]

It seems like the NFL policy is more about punishing and shaming unvaccinated players, than being about health safety.  The policy is the problem, but the unvaccinated get all the blame.  I'm sure many on here are ok with that, though.

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Wait for teams to be trimmed before citing numbers of season - the distribution of the shots is probably not even.

 

Yup.. The unvaxxed players are likely 90% or higher, all 53 man roster safe type of guys. 

[nucci]

Just now, SirusB said:

It seems like the NFL policy is more about punishing and shaming unvaccinated players, than being about health safety.  The policy is the problem, but the unvaccinated get all the blame.  I'm sure many on here are ok with that, though.

Many here have been blaming the policy if you read previous posts

[26TrapDraw]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

 

For a guy like Davis, who hasn't made a ton of money, I can't believe he is willing to risk game checks because of a FDA approved vaccine.  It's bat crap crazy to me.

I see what you did there.

[CorkScrewHill]

20 minutes ago, SCBills said:

What happens if any of these 3 test positive, miss their time, and then say, Week 4 this happens again and they're unvaccinated but clearly should have natural immunity.... I'm assuming they still have to miss 5 days again?

 

 

it is different if a vaxxed vs an unvaxxed person tests positive. It is 5 days for an unvaxxed person who is a close contact bu has negative tests. 

 

Someone with Covid breaks down as follows:

According to Thursday's memo, vaccinated players or staff who test positive and are asymptomatic can return to duty after two negative tests 24 hours apart. For non-vaccinated persons who test positive, the 2020 protocols remain in place, requiring a 10-day isolation.