Afghanistan

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The surrender by the Afgan forces is another story that deserves investigation. Almost seems like a setup. 

No, it wasn't a set-up.  The United States was the one paying their paychecks.  When Joe announced we were pulling out, they went home.  They weren't going to stand out there and get shot at for free.  This was a strategic mess on steroids!

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

You can put up  concrete barriers, check points, have bomb sniffing dogs, there's plenty you can do.  Now that we've drawn down so many of our soldiers and abandoned any strategic advantages we have there's no choice but to trust the Taliban. 

This happened because the Taliban "failed" in their searches. 

2 minutes ago, hemma said:

People want out - they need to approach the gates the way they entered the world:

 

Bare assed naked.

 

Feeling Shy?  Then stay in that hellhole.  

 

No more loss of life.

 

The Taliban would never allow women to do that. I doubt they would even search women. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Wow 60 Afghans were killed and more than 160 wounded. This was a massive attack. 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

This happened because the Taliban "failed" in their searches. 

 

This happened because we didn't evacuate people out before we pulled our ability to ensure it transpired in the most effective and efficient way possible. This happened because instead of doing this over a protracted period of time, we waited until we couldn't possibly do it within the prescribed deadline we set. This happened because we isolated ourselves geographically to one location without the ability to adequately protect ourselves - pretty much putting a bulls eye on the airport for all of the enemies we have in that part of the world.

 

This happened because this Administration doesn't have a f*#@ing clue when it comes to matters such as this....

[hemma]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

This happened because the Taliban "failed" in their searches. 

The Taliban would never allow women to do that. I doubt they would even search women. 

Put up a 10’ high tarp followed by a 30 yard clear zone.

 

negotiate a solution but make it happen.

11 Marines and a sailor dead because of the system for letting them through.

 

Naked.

 

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, hemma said:

Put up a 10’ high tarp followed by a 30 yard clear zone.

 

negotiate a solution but make it happen.

11 Marines and a sailor dead because of the system for letting them through.

 

Naked.

 

 

 

 

 

This ain't Attica dude. 

[Wacka]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Aren't we overdue for another update from Governor where he tells us all that this surrender is going perfectly?

As of now it is ⅞ perfect.

 

[Pokebball]

6 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

This guy is the absolute dregs of society.  The absolute

[Doc]

12 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

This guy is the absolute dregs of society.  The absolute

 

Any idiot can get a platform on Twitland.  Ignore them.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

MAGAZINE

THE AGENDA

PRO

EXCLUSIVE

U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans, Afghan allies to evacuate

“Basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list,” said one defense official.

The decision to provide specific names to the Taliban, which has a history of brutally murdering Afghans who collaborated with the U.S. and other coalition forces during the conflict, has angered lawmakers and military officials. | Master Sgt. Donald R. Allen/U.S. Air Force via AP

By LARA SELIGMAN, ALEXANDER WARD and ANDREW DESIDERIO

08/26/2021 03:28 PM EDT

U.S. officials in Kabul gave the Taliban a list of names of American citizens, green card holders and Afghan allies to grant entry into the militant-controlled outer perimeter of the city’s airport, a choice that's prompted outrage behind the scenes from lawmakers and military officials.

The move, detailed to POLITICO by three U.S. and congressional officials, was designed to expedite the evacuation of tens of thousands of people from Afghanistan as chaos erupted in Afghanistan’s capital city last week after the Taliban seized control of the country. It also came as the Biden administration has been relying on the Taliban for security outside the airport.

Since the fall of Kabul in mid-August, nearly 100,000 people have been evacuated, most of whom had to pass through the Taliban's many checkpoints. But the decision to provide specific names to the Taliban, which has a history of brutally murdering Afghans who collaborated with the U.S. and other coalition forces during the conflict, has angered lawmakers and military officials.

“Basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list,” said one defense official, who like others spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive topic. “It’s just appalling and shocking and makes you feel unclean.”

A spokesperson for U.S. Central Command declined to commen

 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/26/us-officials-provided-taliban-with-names-of-americans-afghan-allies-to-evacuate-506957

[Artful Dodger]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

MAGAZINE

THE AGENDA

PRO

EXCLUSIVE

U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans, Afghan allies to evacuate

“Basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list,” said one defense official.

 

 

If true, somebody needs to get fired.  Just when you think the decision makers can't get any stupider, they do. 

 

[GETTOTHE50]

biden in the near future. 'THOSE ATTACKS WERE 3-4 DAYS AGO'

 

get this stupid ***** out of the office. such an incompetent piece of *****.

[Unforgiven]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

MAGAZINE

THE AGENDA

PRO

EXCLUSIVE

U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans, Afghan allies to evacuate

“Basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list,” said one defense official.

The decision to provide specific names to the Taliban, which has a history of brutally murdering Afghans who collaborated with the U.S. and other coalition forces during the conflict, has angered lawmakers and military officials. | Master Sgt. Donald R. Allen/U.S. Air Force via AP

By LARA SELIGMAN, ALEXANDER WARD and ANDREW DESIDERIO

08/26/2021 03:28 PM EDT

U.S. officials in Kabul gave the Taliban a list of names of American citizens, green card holders and Afghan allies to grant entry into the militant-controlled outer perimeter of the city’s airport, a choice that's prompted outrage behind the scenes from lawmakers and military officials.

The move, detailed to POLITICO by three U.S. and congressional officials, was designed to expedite the evacuation of tens of thousands of people from Afghanistan as chaos erupted in Afghanistan’s capital city last week after the Taliban seized control of the country. It also came as the Biden administration has been relying on the Taliban for security outside the airport.

Since the fall of Kabul in mid-August, nearly 100,000 people have been evacuated, most of whom had to pass through the Taliban's many checkpoints. But the decision to provide specific names to the Taliban, which has a history of brutally murdering Afghans who collaborated with the U.S. and other coalition forces during the conflict, has angered lawmakers and military officials.

“Basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list,” said one defense official, who like others spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive topic. “It’s just appalling and shocking and makes you feel unclean.”

A spokesperson for U.S. Central Command declined to commen

 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/26/us-officials-provided-taliban-with-names-of-americans-afghan-allies-to-evacuate-506957

whoa it's a hit list

[Big Blitz]

 

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Good for him.  

[sherpa]

4 hours ago, Bidens_basement said:

Who or what do you bomb? It’s already a pile of rocks. Twenty years couldn’t beat them, not sure what else they could do different? It’s a total fubar now.

 

We beat the hell out of them, at every level, unlike the Soviets.

What we didn't do is eliminate them.

 

Elimination means eliminating support.

The Taliban/ISIS does not provide military equipment support.

 

Other operators do.

When we are ready to eliminate that support, we will end the problem.

 

One man's view.

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

99.9% maybe. 

 

 

[Niagara Bill]

22 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

We beat the hell out of them, at every level, unlike the Soviets.

What we didn't do is eliminate them.

 

Elimination means eliminating support.

The Taliban/ISIS does not provide military equipment support.

 

Other operators do.

When we are ready to eliminate that support, we will end the problem.

 

One man's view.

 

Sorry, no you did not beat the he'll out of them. You are fighting an army without uniforms. 20 yrs and no knowledge of these terrorist groups. No infiltration.

You left behind more weapons and equipment.

2 trillion dollars, and they are shooting you in the back as you leave. 

The money could have built a country not support the military contractors.

Now we have more dead military. 

 

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Sorry, no you did not beat the he'll out of them. You are fighting an army without uniforms. 20 yrs and no knowledge of these terrorist groups. No infiltration.

You left behind more weapons and equipment.

2 trillion dollars, and they are shooting you in the back as you leave. 

The money could have built a country not support the military contractors.

Now we have more dead military. 

 

 

Let me ask you.  When was the last time you head anything about the Taliban prior to 2020?  

[sherpa]

33 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Sorry, no you did not beat the he'll out of them. You are fighting an army without uniforms. 20 yrs and no knowledge of these terrorist groups. No infiltration.

You left behind more weapons and equipment.

2 trillion dollars, and they are shooting you in the back as you leave. 

The money could have built a country not support the military contractors.

Now we have more dead military. 

 

 

I am sorry for you.

We beat the hell out of them.

You are a pathetic idiot.

[Chef Jim]

America.  ***** up Durkadurkastan more that a bunch of marionettes.

 

 

[Niagara Bill]

40 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Let me ask you.  When was the last time you head anything about the Taliban prior to 2020?  

2001,2002,2003,2004,2005,2006,2007,2008,2009,2010,2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016,2017,2018,2019.

I was referring to I terrorists. Classed them, caught a few, learned nothing, no infiltration, they kill dozens on the way out. 20 years taught the generals NOTHING. Now Joe threatens them....what joke.

18 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

I am sorry for you.

We beat the hell out of them.

You are a pathetic idiot.

12 plus killed today by the very people you beat the he'll out of. Look in the mirror next time you think you want you call someone an idiot.

[Chef Jim]

24 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

I am sorry for you.

We beat the hell out of them.

You are a pathetic idiot.

 

Easy man.  He's not a pathetic idiot.  He's Canadi........Oh never mind

 

Carry on. 

7 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

2001,2002,2003,2004,2005,2006,2007,2008,2009,2010,2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016,2017,2018,2019.

 

 

And what exactly did you hear?  Details man.  Details!! 

[Niagara Bill]

55 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Easy man.  He's not a pathetic idiot.  He's Canadi........Oh never mind

 

Carry on. 

 

And what exactly did you hear?  Details man.  Details!! 

So many details, so little time. 

What's for dinner Chef?

[SectionC3]

5 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Any idiot can get a platform on Twitland.  Ignore them.

Irony. 

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Irony. 

 

The irony is Joey isn't on Twitland and is the biggest idiot of them all.

 

BTW, it's funny to see the ShineBox do everything they can to avoid talking about Afghanistan.

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

So many details, so little time. 

What's for dinner Chef?

I was thinking of you so I made Poutine. 

[Big Blitz]

 

[oldmanfan]

Biden has full responsibility for these deaths.  He and the past 3 presidents have the responsibility for creating the situation we saw yesterday.  They should all have to write the letter to the 13 brave Marines that were killed. 
 

Yesterday was the result of 4 Presidents who refused to understand that America stands, or rather used to stand, against evil in the world.  

Edited August 27, 2021 by oldmanfan

[Westside]

26 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Biden has full responsibility for these deaths.  He and the past 3 presidents have the responsibility for creating the situation we saw yesterday.  They should all have to write the letter to the 13 brave Marines that were killed. 
 

Yesterday was the result of 4 Presidents who refused to understand that America stands, or rather used to stand, against evil in the world.  

No, this falls directly on biden, it was his approach to withdrawal from Afghanistan was his administration. To lump the previous president’s in blame is to lesson the decision HE made!!

This FUBAR falls directly on biden!!!

[ALF]

It was a fatal mistake to be there more then a few months in the first place after seeing the result of the Soviet invasion there.

 

Never should have overthrown Iraq they were the counterweight of Iran. We allowed the Shah of Iran a US Ally to be overthrown also.

 

The US policy in the Middle East has been a disaster  to say the least.

 

The US had plane hijackings to Cuba in the 60's , would have been the right time to start having secure doors to the flight deck. Still having hijackers with box cutters in the cabin would put passengers in fatal danger to gain control. The passengers would all die if the door was opened but not known by the pilot.

Edited August 27, 2021 by ALF

[Unforgiven]

20 minutes ago, Bidens_basement said:

No, this falls directly on biden, it was his approach to withdrawal from Afghanistan was his administration. To lump the previous president’s in blame is to lesson the decision HE made!!

This FUBAR falls directly on biden!!!

    I blame the entire democrat party and their voters, they pitched fits, whined, bitched, pissed and moaned the entire duration

of Trumps presidency doing anything and everything they could to disrupt his presidency.

Then, in full out Trump derangement form went into ###### mode and picked a terrible career politician as a candidate,

bullied and cheated and rioted their way to win an election and then proceeded to go on an all out revenge tour to destroy

America out of pure spite - all because Hillary lost in 2016.

....and here we are, only 8 months into this nightmare.

Thanks a lot democrats, this is all on you.

Edited August 27, 2021 by Unforgiven

[oldmanfan]

27 minutes ago, Bidens_basement said:

No, this falls directly on biden, it was his approach to withdrawal from Afghanistan was his administration. To lump the previous president’s in blame is to lesson the decision HE made!!

This FUBAR falls directly on biden!!!

What did I post?  What?  Here is what I wrote:

 

Biden has full responsibility for these deaths.

 

Those are the exact words I wrote.  You, sir, are an idiot.

 

Now, let's look at the 20 years that led us to yesterday, where Biden screwed up the withdrawal and cost us 13 Americans.  Yesterday was the culmination of 20 years of horsebleep policies from Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden.  Bush should have done what his dad did, put together an overwhelming force to wipe out the terrorists in Afghanistan and the Taliban that supported them.  He didn't.  Mistake one.  Obama should have then shown more foreign policy chops and not laid down red lines in Syria that he then ignored - that showed all the terrorists including the Taliban that if they were patient America would cave.  Mistake two.  Trump then tries to be friends with despots around the world, cuts a deal with the TAliban that short circuits the Afghan government and cuts them off at the knees, and allows 5000 Taliban to be released to fight us.  Mistake three.  Biden then comes in, completely FUBARs the withdrawal, and gets 14 soldiers killed.  Mistake four.

 

Other the the pre-civil was period, we have never seen a stretch of presidents as weak as the ones we have had in this century. 

[Governor]

Seth Moulton (and others) are total garbage. He took it upon himself to launch his own evacuation mission to save “certain” families that reached out to him.

 

I know exactly what that process is. The family sends letters to all of the politicians, a staff member reads it, it makes it to their desk, the family is researched, then put on a “save” list. 
 

They don’t personally know these families. 
 

This morning, the guy is making his rounds on the networks talking about his “military connections” and how he saved a few families.
 

Come on man, you can’t be doing that. Even after Biden slapped him down, he’s still totally oblivious to how people might view that in the future. It’s all about him.

 

Apparently, there was another plane full of politicians on the way to do the same exact thing and Biden wouldn’t let them land. Disgusting behavior.

 

I hope Nancy cuts his nads off.

 

 

Edited August 27, 2021 by Governor

[Doc]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Biden has full responsibility for these deaths.  He and the past 3 presidents have the responsibility for creating the situation we saw yesterday.  They should all have to write the letter to the 13 brave Marines that were killed. 
 

Yesterday was the result of 4 Presidents who refused to understand that America stands, or rather used to stand, against evil in the world.  

 

Please.  Yesterday was on Joey and Joey alone.  Again, everyone agrees that we needed to leave.  The way Joey chose to leave was idiotic.  You can't blame that on any of the 3 previous Presidents.  And I don't believe you can blame the war on Barry or Trump, and I still struggle with whether Dubya should have invaded (although Iraq was a huge blunder).

 

12 minutes ago, Governor said:

Seth Moulton (and others) are total garbage. He took it upon himself to launch his own evacuation mission to save “certain” families that reached out to him.

 

I know exactly what that process is. The family sends letters to all of the politicians, a staff member reads it, it makes it to their desk, the family is researched, then put on a “save” list. 
 

They don’t personally know these families. 
 

This morning, the guy is making his rounds on the networks talking about his “military connections” and how he saved a few families.
 

Come on man, you can’t be doing that. Even after Biden slapped him down, he’s still totally oblivious to how people might view that in the future. It’s all about him.

 

Apparently, there was another plane full of politicians on the way to do the same exact thing and Biden wouldn’t let them land. Disgusting behavior.

 

Where did you see that Moulton and Meijer evacuated families?  And even if they did, it was better for them to be left there? 

 

I realize that many of you have a problem with it but money talks.  That's the way it is and the way it will always be.  And it doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on: money speaks to both equally.

[Governor]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Please.  Yesterday was on Joey and Joey alone.  Again, everyone agrees that we needed to leave.  The way Joey chose to leave was idiotic.  You can't blame that on any of the 3 previous Presidents.  And I don't believe you can blame the war on Barry or Trump, and I still struggle with whether Dubya should have invaded (although Iraq was a huge blunder).

 

 

Where did you see that Moulton and Meijer evacuated families?  And even if they did, it was better for them to be left there? 

 

I realize that many of you have a problem with it but money talks.  That's the way it is and the way it will always be.  And it doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on: money speaks to both equally.

We don’t need 100 politicians over there holding clipboards picking winners and losers only to see them showcased on their campaign tv ads a year from now. That’s not what we should be doing here. How many other families did he just walk right on by trying to find his “chosen” family?

 

If that normally happens, don’t go on the tv and brag about it and act like you’re some kind of hero.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Governor said:

We don’t need 100 politicians over there holding clipboards picking winners and losers only to see them showcased on their campaign tv ads a year from now. That’s not what we should be doing here. How many other families did he just walk right on by trying to find his “chosen” family?

 

If that normally happens, don’t go on the tv and brag about it and act like you’re some kind of hero.

 

 

Ha! I’m sure you thought the same every time a congressional delegation waltzed into some foreign land to go ‘see for themselves’. Right? Could it be they wanted to see what a PERFECT surrender looks like so we’ll know how to do it next time? 

[oldmanfan]

19 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Please.  Yesterday was on Joey and Joey alone.  Again, everyone agrees that we needed to leave.  The way Joey chose to leave was idiotic.  You can't blame that on any of the 3 previous Presidents.  And I don't believe you can blame the war on Barry or Trump, and I still struggle with whether Dubya should have invaded (although Iraq was a huge blunder).

 

 

Where did you see that Moulton and Meijer evacuated families?  And even if they did, it was better for them to be left there? 

 

I realize that many of you have a problem with it but money talks.  That's the way it is and the way it will always be.  And it doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on: money speaks to both equally.

Another guy who needs to take his head out of Trump’s butt to actually read.  Biden is responsible for the deaths of those 13 brave warriors because he screwed up the withdrawal.  We would not have been in the position where that happened if the last 4 presidents had formulated policies to take care of the Taliban and terrorist threats definitively.  

[Governor]

9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Ha! I’m sure you thought the same every time a congressional delegation waltzed into some foreign land to go ‘see for themselves’. Right? Could it be they wanted to see what a PERFECT surrender looks like so we’ll know how to do it next time? 

This is an evacuation mission. These politicians need extra security detail while they’re walking around picking heads out of a crowd.

 

This is the kinda stuff I and some others don’t forget come election time.

 

It’s quite “Trumpy.”

Edited August 27, 2021 by Governor

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Another guy who needs to take his head out of Trump’s butt to actually read.  Biden is responsible for the deaths of those 13 brave warriors because he screwed up the withdrawal.  We would not have been in the position where that happened if the last 4 presidents had formulated policies to take care of the Taliban and terrorist threats definitively.  

 

Yeah, I'm the one who needs to get his head out of (a) butt.  Meanwhile I didn't say that only Trump shouldn't be blamed, yet you went there.