Stadium update, but not really

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

At present..., but I am certain “if” Danny wanted to he could pull it off, as I stated up thread, Danny has shown no interest in partnering with OBD so this is just musing on my behalf,

 

I'm sure he could do it.  But I'm sure he's concluded it would lose him money, so he's out.  ("He" is a euphemism, his daughter runs the supermarket business for a while now).

[Don Otreply]

19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I'm sure he could do it.  But I'm sure he's concluded it would lose him money, so he's out.  ("He" is a euphemism, his daughter runs the supermarket business for a while now).

I’ve been out of Rochester for a lot of years, when Mr Wegmans passed, iirc Danny took over, so now Danny’s daughter is running the show, it’s good that the family is still running the business, continuity is a good thing in this case I think..,

[BADOLBILZ]

On 5/25/2021 at 7:55 PM, Don Otreply said:

This is a good idea imo, but last I heard Wegmans was not interested in name recognition at the stadium, although a long term food and beverage contract might motivate Danny... 😁

 

 

[LeGOATski]

23 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

So we're all still a "no" on a dome?  The way we play football in 2021 and we're still a no?

 

 

Not me.  I'm all in.  Put a lid on it watch how loud we get plus I guarantee we get a Super Bowl - oh yeah you bet your tail if I'm Pegula I'm leveraging that somehow.  

Genius. Except a dome doesn't make it louder. It suppresses and cancels out noise vibrations. 

 

Open air is best. The best teams win regardless.

[billieve420]

I think a Dome makes the most sense this isn’t the Bills of old. I prefer open stadiums but Josh appears to play better in ideal settings and I would want to give him every advantage possible. Retractable roof would be the best but not cost feasible.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

On 5/25/2021 at 4:59 PM, PetermansRedemption said:

I read this a few minutes ago and my first thought was, why did they even bother releasing this statement. They say they met to discuss the results of an independent study, at least say something of what that study said. 

That's easy.

 

The report will say the taxpayers of Buffalo are going to shafted paying for a billionaires stadium 

[Beast]

23 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

So we're all still a "no" on a dome?  The way we play football in 2021 and we're still a no?

 

 

Not me.  I'm all in.  Put a lid on it watch how loud we get plus I guarantee we get a Super Bowl - oh yeah you bet your tail if I'm Pegula I'm leveraging that somehow.  

Where are fans going to stay if Buffalo ever got a Super Bowl? Would they set up cots in the dome? Campgrounds perhaps?

[Big Blitz]

59 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Genius. Except a dome doesn't make it louder. It suppresses and cancels out noise vibrations. 

 

Open air is best. The best teams win regardless.

 

 

Maybe.  But I think of the advantage the Saints have in that dome I'd like to have that here.  

 

There is no more and probably never has been an advantage for us with the weather.  Only exception was when we had Hall of Fame talent up and down the roster....can't keep that long term anymore but you can maintain crowd noise.   

 

Especially in the years where our D is awesome.

 

So under McD that should be often.  

 

And we have a QB that I'd like playing in the best conditions possible.  

 

Plus no worries for fans anymore re weather and late season games.  

22 minutes ago, Beast said:

Where are fans going to stay if Buffalo ever got a Super Bowl? Would they set up cots in the dome? Campgrounds perhaps?

 

 

I was being half serious.  Half.  Maybe 75%

[Just Jack]

On 5/25/2021 at 9:39 PM, Big Blitz said:

Not me.  I'm all in.  Put a lid on it watch how loud we get plus I guarantee we get a Super Bowl - oh yeah you bet your tail if I'm Pegula I'm leveraging that somehow.  

 

I doubt they ever get a SB.  Not enough hotel rooms.  These are the requirements from 2014, I would think it hasn't changed too much since then. 

 

20140605190910.pdf (documentcloud.org)

 

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A sufficient quantity of quality hotel accommodations is essential to a successful Super Bowl. TI1ere must be 35% as many hotel rooms as the number of Stadium seats guamnteed in the Bid, located in prope1iies within a 60-minute drive of the Stadium (e.g. for a 75,000-seat Stadium, there must be a minimum of 27,000 hotel rooms within the 60-mlimte radius).

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The NFL requires that at least one hotel must reserve a minimum of one thousand (1 ,000) rooms, representing 100% of total hotel rooms and all suites in the hotel beginning on the Monday prior to the Super Bowl Game to be considered for the NFL Headquarters Hotel. 

 

 

 

 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

16 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

 

I doubt they ever get a SB.  Not enough hotel rooms.  These are the requirements from 2014, I would think it hasn't changed too much since then. 

 

20140605190910.pdf (documentcloud.org)

 

 

 

 

Not saying the area has 27k hotel rooms but its probably a lot closer than you would think especially when you add in niagara falls and parts of Canada like st cathrines and Hamilton. Parts of Rochester etc

 

A 60 mile radius is huge

[Just Jack]

9 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

You think the main reason why Buffalo wouldn’t get a super bowl is not enough hotel rooms? Thats far out man. 

Maybe the three 18 hole golf courses will be the issue then. 

[HOUSE]

The New Peace Bridge, Subway extension & the new stadium will all be completed at the same time

 

In the year twenty five twenty five, if man is still alive

[BillsShredder83]

On 5/25/2021 at 5:32 PM, gjv001 said:

Increase capacity to 80,000, add a dome, through in a few corridor trinkets and upgrades and be done with it.

I think you're meaning a new stadium, not re working the Ralph again. For once, I'm finally on board with this and the Dome. Hate to say it and at one point would've called myself a blasphemer. Finally came around to it last year. I realize josh has little chance at playing in the new spot but still, the leagues changed and I want our offenses to be able to fire on all cylinders. Add in the tax payers footing the bill and it needs to have more utility.

 

... OK im ready to get blasted now lol

[purple haze]

On 5/25/2021 at 2:32 PM, gjv001 said:

Increase capacity to 80,000, add a dome, through in a few corridor trinkets and upgrades and be done with it.

Old school domes are not built anymore.  A Fixed or retractable roof will add a lot of cost onto a construction job that will already cost an exorbitant amount.  And for what?  The idea that there will be so many more events in the stadium?  That’s debatable.

 

The maintenance of that roof will cost a lot too.  And that cost along with the cost of construction will be added to ticket and parking prices.  Many clamoring for a roof will be priced out of watching a game under it.  Is a roof worth it in that case?

 

I’d bet a more aesthetically pleasing version of Heinz field is what the Bills wind up with.

 

 

[The Dean]

1 minute ago, purple haze said:

Old school domes are not built anymore.  A Fixed or retractable roof will add a lot of cost onto a construction job that will already cost an exorbitant amount.  And for what?  The idea that there will be so many more events in the stadium?  That’s debatable.

 

The maintenance of that roof will cost a lot too.  And that cost along with the cost of construction will be added to ticket and parking prices.  Many clamoring for a roof will be priced out of watching a game under it.  Is a roof worth it in that case?

 

I’d bet a more aesthetically pleasing version of Heinz field is what the Bills wind up with.

 

 

 

 

I wish people would stop calling any covered stadium a "Dome".  Most newer covered stadiums aren't domes.  Minneapolis and Seattle are two cities that ditched the crappy domes and built modern stadiums. There are some newer domes, however.  Dallas has a bit of a dome, for example.  

 

I'm for an open stadium, as I always have been. I also think the current stadium is pretty good and, if possible, should be remodeled. But if it HAS to be a covered stadium, it has to have a retractable roof, IMO. And it should be open as often as possible.

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

I wish people would stop calling any covered stadium a "Dome".  Most newer covered stadiums aren't domes.  Minneapolis and Seattle are two cities that ditched the crappy domes and built modern stadiums. There are some newer domes, however.  Dallas has a bit of a dome, for example.  

 

I'm for an open stadium, as I always have been. I also think the current stadium is pretty good and, if possible, should be remodeled. But if it HAS to be a covered stadium, it has to have a retractable roof, IMO. And it should be open as often as possible.

Minneapolis's stadium is a temperature controlled dome with about 60% of the roof composed of ETFE glass.  They just have an awesome design and were able to build the stadium for 1.1 billion dollars.  Just hire those people and tell them we want the same thing. 

 

A retractable roof isn't worth the money as teams that have it only have it opened about a third of the time.  Plus, four of the five teams that have warmer climates (Dallas, Houston, Arizona, Atlanta).  The Colts being the only exception.

 

I surrendered season tickets years ago after being miserable after a 34 degree rain soaked game during the Bills/Giants game in late '07?  If the Pegula's read this board, I will GLADLY purchase two PSL's if you build a new dome in Orchard Park next to the current stadium.  

[Punching Bag]

18 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Season ticket income is a pimple on the @ss of NFL TV $$$$$$$.

 

 

But it is a very big pimple.  So big it should treated as 3rd butt cheek.

If it wasn't important to other teams they would not be pushing for stadium upgrades.

[Punching Bag]

5 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

The upgrades are for club seats, which is not shared revenue.

 

 

I know but there should be no external pressure for Bills to build a new stadium with those seats - opposing teams get no money.  And it is likely the Bills would have trouble selling more club seats especially when those seats come with PSLs.

[Punching Bag]

If I was an opposing team owner I would be more concerned about getting Bills to update the opposition team locker room which I heard from ex-NFL coworker (who played for Jets mostly on PS) is below standard.  Maybe they took the advice of many fans and limit amount of hot water to them.  Another concern of opposition teams would be improving field.. There are limits the Bills can do with design of stadium and field below ground level.

[Punching Bag]

21 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I'm sure that the Bills are taking heat from other ownership groups, since they are riding on a freebee with the 48 year old County supported Stadium. This is partially reflected (In my opinion) in the less than optimal game scheduling, which tends to be weighted towards the harsher months.  I am hoping against hope, that the team stays in Orchard Park, with or without a new Stadium. A downtown facility, will largely do away with the 'Culture' of game day, which I have to believe, is exactly what the team wants.

 

Part of the reason for this weighting is many other stadiums are more multi-use and more events are scheduled during later part of season there.

Rarely, unless it a hockey game is Bills' (WNY's), is stadium used for anything other than football during late part of season.

If the landlord (WNY) wanted more games played in first half of season they could have other events at stadium even if they were "created" events like training for country employees.  NFL cannot reasonably complain about landlords deciding to use the stadium they rent to Bills for events.

[The Dean]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Minneapolis's stadium is a temperature controlled dome with about 60% of the roof composed of ETFE glass.  They just have an awesome design and were able to build the stadium for 1.1 billion dollars.  Just hire those people and tell them we want the same thing. 

 

A retractable roof isn't worth the money as teams that have it only have it opened about a third of the time.  Plus, four of the five teams that have warmer climates (Dallas, Houston, Arizona, Atlanta).  The Colts being the only exception.

 

I surrendered season tickets years ago after being miserable after a 34 degree rain soaked game during the Bills/Giants game in late '07?  If the Pegula's read this board, I will GLADLY purchase two PSL's if you build a new dome in Orchard Park next to the current stadium.  

 

 

Minneapolis's stadium is NOT a "dome".  Look at it.  https://www.mortenson.com/-/media/project/mortenson/site/images/projects/us-bank-stadium/gallery-3.jpg

 

Where is the "rounded vault" roof?  That's the definition of a dome.

 

As for if it's worth the money, that is a matter of opinion obviously. Many teams have decided it is worth it. I'd say if it was open twice a year, it would be worth it.*  But I think the real issue is that teams should on close it if absolutely necessary. It should almost always be left open. (I think the league has something to say about when the roof is open. But if I were negotiating with the NFL and they wanted a covered stadium, I'd make it a point to get an exemption to let the team open the roof at will.) Then again, Pittsburgh, New England, Cleveland don't have ANY roof over their stadiums. Their fans must be much tougher than many of the posters here.

 

*Actually I don't think a new covered stadium is "worth it". Period. But If forced to build one, then the added cost of a retractable roof is most definately "worth it", IMO.

[Just Jack]

39 minutes ago, The Dean said:

(I think the league has something to say about when the roof is open.

 

When they did the Toronto season, I remember reading somewhere the criteria for leaving the roof open.  I don't believe they ever had it open for a game there.  I do remember the first game in the series, pre-season against the Steelers, driving by and seeing the roof open.  But by time the game started, they had closed it. 

[Chicharito]

5 hours ago, Limeaid said:

If I was an opposing team owner I would be more concerned about getting Bills to update the opposition team locker room which I heard from ex-NFL coworker (who played for Jets mostly on PS) is below standard.  Maybe they took the advice of many fans and limit amount of hot water to them.  Another concern of opposition teams would be improving field.. There are limits the Bills can do with design of stadium and field below ground level.

I’ve been in the visitor locker room a few times and I must say I’ve seen high schools that have nicer visitors locker rooms . I swear too you they still have 27” bulb tv’s in their . 

[LabattBlue]

5 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

PSL's in a new stadium, might bring my days as a season ticket holder, to an end.

What about PSL’s in the current stadium?  They will be implemented regardless of stadium, sooner rather than later. 

Edited May 28, 2021 by BTB

[Chandler#81]

On 5/25/2021 at 8:33 PM, 4_kidd_4 said:

I hear they’re retrofitting all men’s rooms to one big sink-toilet each.

Retrofitting? It’s been this way since 1973!

On 5/25/2021 at 9:58 PM, Augie said:

 

The chances of WNY getting a Super Bowl are somewhere between slim and none, for a variety of reasons. I wish that weren’t true, but it is. We don’t even have the hotel rooms, for one thing. 

 

NOW, could we throw one helluva draft party? We could CRUSH that and I’d love to see it! 

 

“A sufficient quantity of quality hotel accommodations is essential to a successful Super Bowl. TI1ere must be 35% as many hotel rooms as the number of Stadium seats guamnteed in the Bid, located in prope1iies within a 60-minute drive ofthe Stadium (e.g. for a 75,000-seat Stadium, there must be a minimum o f 27,000 hotel rooms within the 60-mlimte radius). Distance estimates must be based on peak hour drive-times. Evidence of at least 19,000 top- quality, full service rooms inevocably contracted for the NFL and NFL-related groups must be included in your Bid.”

 

Whats the approximate mileage from Niagara Falls to Orchard Park -in the seemingly unlikely new stadium being built there.. Otherwise, even Canadian Falls hotels can be considered for the Buffalo area, no?

 

[LabattBlue]

59 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I highly doubt that would ever happen.

Wishful thinking?  How much have your tickets gone up in the last few years?

 

When is a good time to implement PSL’s?   When demand for tix is at the highest point in 25 years or so!  Don’t think discussions on this subject aren’t happening at OBD.  

Edited May 28, 2021 by BTB

[4_kidd_4]

13 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Retrofitting? It’s been this way since 1973!

 

Some of the newer bathrooms added during the last big remodel are actually quite clean and spacious.

 

Gotta know where to look to find em!

 

They unfortunately don’t truly capture the whole classic  “piss in the sink” vibe.

[PromoTheRobot]

6 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

*Actually I don't think a new covered stadium is "worth it". Period. But If forced to build one, then the added cost of a retractable roof is most definately "worth it", IMO.

 

And you'll hate it because a retractable roof is like a sunroof in sedan... it's still not like a convertible. It's a sedan with a hole in the roof.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

My first season ticket, was $135, in 1989. It is now, $1350/seat for my three seats.

PSL's in the current facility are simply not going to happen.

 

Not in Highmark but once a new stadium is announced? You bet.  But I think they will more Buffalo-priced and fans will be able to spread them out over a few years.

 

[The Dean]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

And you'll hate it because a retractable roof is like a sunroof in sedan... it's still not like a convertible. It's a sedan with a hole in the roof.

 

 

Yes. Exactly why I prefer no roof at all.

 

But if I'm buying a new car, not a convertible,  I don't even consider one without a sunroof.

[BillnutinHouston]

12 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

And it is likely the Bills would have trouble selling more club seats especially when those seats come with PSLs.

 

The prices for Bills club seats have included a PSL for years now.

[The Dean]

8 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

The prices for Bills club seats have included a PSL for years now.

 

Really?  A PSL is a SEPERATE charge that entitles you to buy a ticket. High ticket prices are not the same thing.

[Punching Bag]

12 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

The prices for Bills club seats have included a PSL for years now.

 

I am aware of that but will they need to purchase new ones, how much will they be and will they get credit for previous PSL paid for seats?

[mead107]

About 1200 for my 2 seats (pal)

[Just Jack]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Not in Highmark but once a new stadium is announced? You bet.  But I think they will more Buffalo-priced and fans will be able to spread them out over a few years.

 

 

Club seats, have a yearly PSL, not a one time PSL like other stadiums.  

[The Dean]

2 minutes ago, mead107 said:

About 1200 for my 2 seats (pal)

 

 

$1,200 PSL charge on top of the ticket price?

[Just Jack]

18 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

Really?  A PSL is a SEPERATE charge that entitles you to buy a ticket. High ticket prices are not the same thing.

 

Yes, a separate PSL.  

[The Dean]

Just now, Just Jack said:

 

Yes, a separate PSL.  

 

 

I wonder why they aren't in the list of teams with PSLs I've seen. Interesting. Thanks, Jack.

[mead107]

1 minute ago, The Dean said:

 

 

$1,200 PSL charge on top of the ticket price?

Yup. About $4,100 total for 2 seats 

 

1 minute ago, The Dean said:

 

 

I wonder why they aren't in the list of teams with PSLs I've seen. Interesting. Thanks, Jack.

Seats outside of club  no psl I believe 

 

[Just Jack]

9 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

I wonder why they aren't in the list of teams with PSLs I've seen. Interesting. Thanks, Jack.

 

Now they call it a "Club Seat License".  Back when I first had seasons in the clubs, when we had paper tickets, it said on the ticket Ticket Price + PSL = Combined Price.  

 

Here's my invoice

 

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by Just Jack