Buffalo Bills hire Sophia Lewin as offensive assistant

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

 

It’s absolutely true. If you have a problem with it I suppose that’s your right. 

 

 

Has she hired an Asian American in any capacity?

[Maynard]

Can we please go back to talking about Sophia Loren boobies, side hugs, and Calvin Klein underwear? Stay on topic guys, geeeeesh. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

This thread consists of two categories of people:

 

1) Those commenting about her physical appearance.

2) Those complaining about people in category 1.

 

What this thread does not consist of is anyone providing any kind of analysis of her coaching ability. Nor am I aware of any commentary on this forum about the quality of the coaching we've received from male offensive or defensive assistants. While the overwhelming majority of fans do not have the knowledge necessary to comment on subjects such as those, people people can make evaluations about her physical appearance. So that's what most are doing. If you have a valuable insight about her to add which does not pertain to her physical appearance, no one is stopping you from adding it.

 

She was hired as an offensive assistant.  While duties vary, a lot of times these are the folks who scout the next opponent for tendencies, self-scout our team for tendencies, and basically slice and dice film.  It’s more an endurance and attention to detail kind of job than coaching players on the field, though may prepares scouting reports or film paste-ups players will utilize

[Sherlock Holmes]

7 hours ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

This thread consists of two categories of people:

 

1) Those commenting about her physical appearance.

2) Those complaining about people in category 1.

 

What this thread does not consist of is anyone providing any kind of analysis of her coaching ability. Nor am I aware of any commentary on this forum about the quality of the coaching we've received from male offensive or defensive assistants. While the overwhelming majority of fans do not have the knowledge necessary to comment on subjects such as those, people people can make evaluations about her physical appearance. So that's what most are doing. If you have a valuable insight about her to add which does not pertain to her physical appearance, no one is stopping you from adding it.

Meh, Kuechly looks way better than this!

[Arm of Harm]

16 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

I think [McDermott] doesn’t care what people think and will have his coaches under him decide whether she is the best at the role. 

McDermott may not care about her gender, but Kim Pegula does. 
 

I personally believe that the best, most capable candidate should be chosen, regardless of gender. If she is better or more capable than the best male candidate considered, great! If on the other hand she is less capable than the best male they interviewed, but was chosen anyway due to Kim’s involvement, I would be disappointed. 

[machine gun kelly]

20 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

McDermott may not care about her gender, but Kim Pegula does. 
 

I personally believe that the best, most capable candidate should be chosen, regardless of gender. If she is better or more capable than the best male candidate considered, great! If on the other hand she is less capable than the best male they interviewed, but was chosen anyway due to Kim’s involvement, I would be disappointed. 

I don’t disagree in a perfect world, but have been placed in the position when I had two territory manager openings to hire one of them as a person of color or in our world of gender.  Previously our VP used to say, I won’t make you hire someone of a certain background as we want the best, but I will push you to expand the net.  He wanted us to use diversity recruiter on top of our own and really work harder as managers to make sure we weren’t just complacent in who came our way from our recruiting resources.  I had no problem at all with it as I already had the second most diverse district in the US.  That’s a little easier managing the SE.

 

at the beginning with a regime change, I had a director that was so blunt she said one of the two had to be diverse.  The one I chose was white, and won Rookie of the Year and P Club twice.  Not because he was white as I could care less about that point.  He was just the best.  The other I had a local final candidate who was in with all of the specialists in the greater area in South GA.  I was taking another position at another company and was overridden to hire an out of town diversity female who on paper and interviews was great, but this area needed a local.  She failed miserably after I left, and was able to get a lateral to another division in Dallas amd from what I hear is doing well.  I’m not trying to bore you.

 

Im making the point expanding the net and working harder to do so is a managers job or coach.  Forcing for quota when not a good fit has bad outcomes.  To my last post, I have no idea how qualified she is to coach.  I could care less if her gender.  As long as she coaches her people up well, that matters.

 

If not, the players will sniff that out and shell be gone.

[Gugny]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Works both ways. They need to hire best candidates, not gender based. 

 

I may be off, here, but it seems like this hire really bothers you.

 

It also seems like you feel there's no way in hell that this (or any) woman could POSSIBLY be the best candidate to be an offensive assistant on an NFL team.

 

If she wasn't the most qualified/best candidate for the job, so what??  There's no doubt she has the skills and experience to perform the job.  Why not give her a shot while making the staff more diverse?  Let's not pretend that the Bills, or any other team, will win or lose games because of the performance of an offensive assistant.

 

Moves like this will eventually pave the way for women to become RB coaches, QB coaches, OL coaches, then coordinators and head coaches.

 

Without moves like this, everything else becomes impossible.

 

Why the hell would you, or anyone else, have a problem with this?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31477621/buffalo-bills-add-sophia-lewin-offensive-assistant-part-push-hire-promote-women
 

This makes 4 women as part of the team. 

[Jauronimo]

23 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I may be off, here, but it seems like this hire really bothers you.

 

It also seems like you feel there's no way in hell that this (or any) woman could POSSIBLY be the best candidate to be an offensive assistant on an NFL team.

 

If she wasn't the most qualified/best candidate for the job, so what??  There's no doubt she has the skills and experience to perform the job.  Why not give her a shot while making the staff more diverse?  Let's not pretend that the Bills, or any other team, will win or lose games because of the performance of an offensive assistant.

 

Moves like this will eventually pave the way for women to become RB coaches, QB coaches, OL coaches, then coordinators and head coaches.

 

Without moves like this, everything else becomes impossible.

 

Why the hell would you, or anyone else, have a problem with this?

Unqualified men get hired all the time for a variety of reasons.  I find it hard to muster the outrage that one unqualified woman may get hired solely based on gender.

[Jauronimo]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Discrimination in any form bothers me as should you. 

You have zero evidence that any discriminatory hiring practices have taken place.  

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Discrimination in any form bothers me as should you. 

Who exactly is being discriminated against? 

[4_kidd_4]

19 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Why the hell would you, or anyone else, have a problem with this?

 

To quote Chuck D., via Sonic Youth:

 

“Fear. Fear of a female planet. Fear, baby.”

 

 

P.S.- I love you, Kim!

[machine gun kelly]

I just started getting interested after I read through all the posts now.  The juvenile posts I guess is an attempt at humor, and the only part there that would concern me is of there really is a bias towards women in a coaching position in sports.  There are tons of examples of women coaches in other sports like basketball, baseball, and so on that show you don't have to play the sport to coach it, and women as well as any other group has no inherit advantage or disadvantage in their abilities.

 

Hap made a good point, she most likely is breaking down tape and prepping other coaches and scouts  on various matters, but isn't that how you coach you're kid as he is finishing college that hopefully he sucked it up, or her, and took those crappy internships to have something on you're resume.  Then there is the problem of kids in this generation not wanting crap jobs, well wake up.  you start at the bottom, and sounds like she doesn't mind that at all.

 

There really isn't a way for a person to move up if they can't get a shot at the bottom.  50 years ago, people of color and beyond were discriminated against due to skin color at the QB position.  The last 20-30 years is riddled of no african-american head coaching jobs.  Now, we are making strides in the management realm for various diverse persons.

 

If the woman is a washout, it will happen fast.  If she is promoted to a position coach with the players and they don't respect her, it will be an end.  If anything, people of diversity which includes women in football, they feel they don't just have to be capable, but much better than their competitors just to get a fair opportunity.  Id like to think the guys here don't have that much gender bias, or because she's not hot, that matters.  Some of you need to look into the mirror including me, and say, uh well i could do better.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 5/19/2021 at 5:36 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

 

 

Since hiring Kathryn Smith as a special teams quality control coach in 2016, the Bills have continually promoted and provided women opportunities in football. Team co-owner Kim Pegula has been an integral part of that, as well as Bills head coach Sean McDermott and general manager Brandon Beane.
 

 

Hey, I'm not against it as long as she earned it. May the best man (or woman) win. 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Buffalo619 said:

Works both ways. They need to hire best candidates, not gender based. 

 

In fact this is the first time in NFL history a less qualified candidate has gotten a job.

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

 

To quote Chuck D., via Sonic Youth:

 

“Fear. Fear of a female planet. Fear, baby.”

 

 

P.S.- I love you, Kim!

 

Another Sonic Youth fan on a football forum 😦 Imagine that! Kim Gordon is actually originally from Rochester which is cool bc that's where I was born. Thurston did her dirty though. I would never cheat on someone as beautiful as her. Anyways, lmao definitely one of the most underrated & original sounding bands of all time. They were so ahead of their time that people are still trying to catch up. 

[Nextmanup]

Ever notice some Sophias spell their name with the "ph" in there.

Other Sofias spell their name with an "F".

 

 

Edited May 21, 2021 by Nextmanup

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

In fact this is the first time in NFL history a less qualified candidate has gotten a job.

 

The very first time

 

[4_kidd_4]

10 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

Another Sonic Youth fan on a football forum 😦 Imagine that! Kim Gordon is actually originally from Rochester which is cool bc that's where I was born. Thurston did her dirty though. I would never cheat on someone as beautiful as her. Anyways, lmao definitely one of the most underrated & original sounding bands of all time. They were so ahead of their time that people are still trying to catch up. 

 

Amen brother.

 

Saw them at Towne Ballroom in ‘04. Absolutely delivered.

 

Did my favorite that night too, “Sugar Kane”!

 

Then we saw Thurston running to the bus out back afterwards and he said “Hey guys”. Whoa!! 😂 

 

 

[Arm of Harm]

2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Women as well as any other group has no inherit advantage or disadvantage in their abilities.

 

I talked with the director of a daycare center, after observing that all the people working directly with children were women. I asked her if they'd ever hired any male employees during her time as director. She said there had been two or three over the years but they hadn't worked out. But then she corrected herself and mentioned a man who'd come in periodically and would play his guitar and sing to the children. That worked out well.

 

The director did not mention any effort to equalize the number of male and female employees. She did not indicate any belief that men and women have the same innate abilities to nurture young children. Nor did I think it necessary for her to do either of those things.

 

Think of all the deeply knowledgeable football fans you know, either in real life or through fora such as this. Now ask yourself this: of those deeply knowledgeable fans, what percentage are female? Whatever that percentage is, is probably about where the NFL should be in terms of its percentage of female coaches.

Edited May 21, 2021 by Arm of Harm

[Jauronimo]

Many of you worried about hiring the most qualified applicant have overlooked certain synergies in the hire.  Statistically speaking, Sophia earns 70% as much as her male counterparts.  There are serious cost savings to be realized with more women in the workplace.  Its an operational advantage and just sound business.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Many of you worried about hiring the most qualified applicant have overlooked certain synergies in the hire.  Statistically speaking, Sophia earns 70% as much as her male counterparts.  There are serious cost savings to be realized with more women in the workplace.  Its an operational advantage and just sound business.

We can only hope the cost savings are either passed along to her more deserving male coworkers or used to established a foundation devoted to ending the discriminatory practices of hiring females to NFL jobs.

[flaz]

Any savings collected by the hiring of female assistants should go straight to us fans. I say knocking a buck or two off that $10 beer would go along way in the PR department. If they could get the number of female assistants up to between fifteen and twenty, the price of beer could be as low as 5 bucks

 

[Chandler#81]

55 minutes ago, flaz said:

Any savings collected by the hiring of female assistants should go straight to us fans. I say knocking a buck or two off that $10 beer would go along way in the PR department. If they could get the number of female assistants up to between fifteen and twenty, the price of beer could be as low as 5 bucks

 

🤦‍♂️🤯

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Unqualified men get hired all the time for a variety of reasons.  I find it hard to muster the outrage that one unqualified woman may get hired solely based on gender.

 

This.  If concern about qualifications is the thing, why don't we see the stuff in this thread every time the Bills hire a male assistant coach?

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-bring-aboard-sophia-lewin-as-offensive-assistant-hire-three-other-women-to-staff/

 

Quote

Lewin has a history with the Bills, as she served as a training camp assist in the past. She previously served as a quality control coach at Princeton and also was a wide receivers coach at Hudson Catholic High School in New Jersey. 

 

So she was a coaching assistant during training camp last season and has coached at the high school and college level.  It's not like the Bills hired someone without relevant experience, moreover since she worked for them last summer they must have liked the job she did for them.

[JoPoy88]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So she was a coaching assistant during training camp last season and has coached at the high school and college level.  It's not like the Bills hired someone without relevant experience, moreover since she worked for them last summer they must have liked the job she did for them.

Ah, but does she have enough experience to satisfy the cloudy-minded  misogynists that infest this place? I’m guessing no. 

[Spun]

Good luck coach.

[Bobby Hooks]

On 5/20/2021 at 3:48 PM, Arm of Harm said:

 

This thread consists of two categories of people:

 

1) Those commenting about her physical appearance.

2) Those complaining about people in category 1.

 

What this thread does not consist of is anyone providing any kind of analysis of her coaching ability. Nor am I aware of any commentary on this forum about the quality of the coaching we've received from male offensive or defensive assistants. While the overwhelming majority of fans do not have the knowledge necessary to comment on subjects such as those, people people can make evaluations about her physical appearance. So that's what most are doing. If you have a valuable insight about her to add which does not pertain to her physical appearance, no one is stopping you from adding it.

I’m sure you didn’t know everything about all of the players we drafted this year. Instead of looking them up and finding out more information did you just grade them 1-10 on the hotness scale? 

Not judging, but following your logic that’s a perfectly reasonable thing to do if you don’t know anything about them. 

Where did Wildgoose rank? 

Edited May 22, 2021 by Bobby Hooks

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

Ah, but does she have enough experience to satisfy the cloudy-minded  misogynists that infest this place? I’m guessing no. 

 

I'm sure those bringing up the issue of "discrimination" have unearthed the job histories (prior to hire) of every male coaching assistant the Bills have hired in the last 6.5 years and prepared a chart which breaks down the experience at different level by days, to compare.

 

They also have access to the quality of film breakdowns and scouting reports prepared by all these individuals and have had 5 relevant coaches or players grade them on a scale of 1 to 9.

 

PS

[SydneyBillsFan]

The only question I have is will a bunch of testosterone filled guys, who are not all intelligent, take a skinny female who has never played the game seriously.

 

As long as Beane and McD are OK with it I have no objections.

[Doc Brown]

I have a dream that one day a low level female staffer hire will not have a multipage thread dedicated to it.

[Malazan]

On 5/20/2021 at 1:52 AM, Chandler#81 said:

Congrats, knuckleheads. 🤦‍♂️ 1 in 15 posts ISN’T juvenile.

 

that's about 15x better than what I'd expect

 

On 5/21/2021 at 1:33 PM, Arm of Harm said:

 

I talked with the director of a daycare center, after observing that all the people working directly with children were women. I asked her if they'd ever hired any male employees during her time as director. She said there had been two or three over the years but they hadn't worked out. But then she corrected herself and mentioned a man who'd come in periodically and would play his guitar and sing to the children. That worked out well.

 

The director did not mention any effort to equalize the number of male and female employees. She did not indicate any belief that men and women have the same innate abilities to nurture young children. Nor did I think it necessary for her to do either of those things.

 

Think of all the deeply knowledgeable football fans you know, either in real life or through fora such as this. Now ask yourself this: of those deeply knowledgeable fans, what percentage are female? Whatever that percentage is, is probably about where the NFL should be in terms of its percentage of female coaches.

 

There's about 1% knowledgeable football fans on this forum so I guess the whole team should have like half of a single coach. 

 

Edited May 23, 2021 by jeremy2020

[The Dean]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Bro. If you don’t like this forum, find another. Why bash the entire community?

 

 

He didn't bash the ENTIRE community. Just 99%. Sounds about right 

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo619 said:

Bro. If you don’t like this forum, find another. Why bash the entire community?

 

oh, so you're saying people can only like knowledgeable football fans? I don't see football knowledge and like people for who they are. 

[Jauronimo]

On 5/22/2021 at 11:04 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm sure those bringing up the issue of "discrimination" have unearthed the job histories (prior to hire) of every male coaching assistant the Bills have hired in the last 6.5 years and prepared a chart which breaks down the experience at different level by days, to compare.

 

They also have access to the quality of film breakdowns and scouting reports prepared by all these individuals and have had 5 relevant coaches or players grade them on a scale of 1 to 9.

 

PS

It really is a shame that the Bills gender quota is getting in the way of another coach's son getting an assistant coaching position based on merit, of course.

[FireChans]

On 5/21/2021 at 9:15 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This.  If concern about qualifications is the thing, why don't we see the stuff in this thread every time the Bills hire a male assistant coach?

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-bring-aboard-sophia-lewin-as-offensive-assistant-hire-three-other-women-to-staff/

 

 

So she was a coaching assistant during training camp last season and has coached at the high school and college level.  It's not like the Bills hired someone without relevant experience, moreover since she worked for them last summer they must have liked the job she did for them.

You should go read the topics of several unpopular hires in the past. Dennison and that terrible OL coach got roasted.

[Beerball]

No cheating, not an open book test.

 

Who held the position last year?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

You should go read the topics of several unpopular hires in the past. Dennison and that terrible OL coach got roasted.

 

What does this have to do with scrutiny of the resumes and qualifications of coordinators or major position coaches have to do with the last 5 years of offensive or defensive assistants?  Show me the Money ....er, the threads speculating on and dissecting the qualifications of these low level assistants (when male)

 

 

[Tcali]

On 5/20/2021 at 5:04 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Has she hired an Asian American in any capacity?

She's the queen of social justice but she's not stupid

3 hours ago, Beerball said:

No cheating, not an open book test.

 

Who held the position last year?

Norm Van Brocklin?

[Arm of Harm]

On 5/22/2021 at 12:04 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm sure those bringing up the issue of "discrimination" have unearthed the job histories (prior to hire) of every male coaching assistant the Bills have hired in the last 6.5 years and prepared a chart which breaks down the experience at different level by days, to compare.

 

They also have access to the quality of film breakdowns and scouting reports prepared by all these individuals and have had 5 relevant coaches or players grade them on a scale of 1 to 9.

 

PS

 

There are two scenarios:

 

1) The Bills hired the best, most capable candidate for the position, in a sport which traditionally gravitates towards male hires.

 

2) Due to Kim Pegula's influence, the Bills hired someone less capable than the best male candidate.

 

Scenario 1 would make me happy. Scenario 2 would displease me.

 

My concern with scenario 2 is not about whether the Bills have the best possible offensive assistant. It's more the question: what happens after Terry dies and Kim inherits the team? Will she choose the best, most capable candidates for open positions at head coach or general manager? Or, will she choose someone other than the most capable candidate available, due to her ideological objectives?

 

As usual, there's nothing I or any other fan can do about any of this. All I can do is sit back, hope that we're looking at scenario 1 for this hire, and that we'll continue looking at scenario 1 situations after Kim becomes the sole owner. In addition, I wish Terry Pegula a very long and happy life.