The foundation under Dr. Fauci is starting to crack...

[JaCrispy]

 

[Tiberius]

Oh boy 

[reddogblitz]

I kinda lost it on Fauci when a while back he was talking about herd immunity.  He said normally he would say. 70%, but since we have vaccines and more than one he's gonna say 80%,  85%, 90%.  

 

Doesn't sound too scientific.

[Governor]

It’s a conspiracy! 

[JaCrispy]

27 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

I kinda lost it on Fauci when a while back he was talking about herd immunity.  He said normally he would say. 70%, but since we have vaccines and more than one he's gonna say 80%,  85%, 90%.  

 

Doesn't sound too scientific.

On top of that, Governor Cuomo said there would be segregation among the vaccinated/unvaccinated at Yankees and Mets games...my only question is: Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of herd immunity?

15 minutes ago, Governor said:

It’s a conspiracy! 

Not sure if you watched the video...but while testifying, Fauci contradicted himself several times on simple questions...nothing conspiracy about that...

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just because the one place on the planet where they study and engineer how to infect humans with this exact virus (which couldn’t and didn’t previously) happens to be right down the street from where the virus first appeared? 
 

 

🙄

 

total coincidence 

The Chinese are very open and transparent about these things. 

Edited May 13, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Just because the one place on the planet where they study and engineer how to infect humans with this exact virus (which couldn’t and didn’t previously) happens to be right down the street from where the virus first appeared? 
 

 

🙄

 

total coincidence 

The Chinese are very open and transparent about these things. 

 

Yes they are.  They were sequencing the thing before they even alerted the WHO or anyone else that there was an outbreak.

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

It’s a conspiracy! 

There is a known association between the NIH and the Wuhan lab where the virus is suspected of escaping containment.  Some $3+M contract funding of some undisclosed gain of function viral research.  At a lab where bat research with viruses is known and documented.  The deal run through some 3rd party, a firm called EcoHealth.  Which coincidentally was hired by WHO to investigate practices at the lab.  Guess what they found?  The potential for a variant of coronavirus to escape the lab, which has been sited by inspectors for lax procedures, is not some far fetched "conspiracy" but rather a conclusion that is backed by a lot of facts, associations, and fingerprints of the virus itself.

 

This is not a new conclusion.  Several viral experts came to a similar conclusion early last year but got shot down by the thought police at the time.  Funny how all these censors and fact checkers know so much more about things than the actual people working in the field for their entire lifetimes.  These conclusions were also based on the assessment it was a Powerball winning odds chance that the genetic makeup of the virus could have been some natural mutation that originated in Bats and jumped to humans.  Helping to debunk the bat theory is that researchers have found the virus more effectively attaches to human cells than Bats.  If it started in Bats the opposite would be expected.  

 

The belief that Fauci knows more than he says and is hiding something is not some far fetched unsupported conclusion.  

[Orlando Tim]

55 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Just because the one place on the planet where they study and engineer how to infect humans with this exact virus (which couldn’t and didn’t previously) happens to be right down the street from where the virus first appeared? 
 

 

🙄

 

total coincidence 

The Chinese are very open and transparent about these things. 

I stopped trusting him when he said that Covid did not seem likely to be from the lab. That is stupid and he has slowly been working his way towards it ever since. I have no idea if it was intentional or not but logic clearly indicates that a powerful new Sars variant that pops up in the literal backyard of a lab that works on it and in bats that are not native to the area that the lab is the source. I think at this point he is enamored with his celebrity and is little better than a political hack.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd

 

That is last may which is very different than now.

Edited May 13, 2021 by Buffalo Timmy

[716er]

Crayonz is back

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, Governor said:

It’s a conspiracy! 

No sounds like they don’t know what the ***** they are doing. 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The Chinese are very open and transparent about these things. 

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

There is a known association between the NIH and the Wuhan lab where the virus is suspected of escaping containment.  Some $3+M contract funding of some undisclosed gain of function viral research.  At a lab where bat research with viruses is known and documented.  The deal run through some 3rd party, a firm called EcoHealth.  Which coincidentally was hired by WHO to investigate practices at the lab.  Guess what they found?  The potential for a variant of coronavirus to escape the lab, which has been sited by inspectors for lax procedures, is not some far fetched "conspiracy" but rather a conclusion that is backed by a lot of facts, associations, and fingerprints of the virus itself.

 

This is not a new conclusion.  Several viral experts came to a similar conclusion early last year but got shot down by the thought police at the time.  Funny how all these censors and fact checkers know so much more about things than the actual people working in the field for their entire lifetimes.  These conclusions were also based on the assessment it was a Powerball winning odds chance that the genetic makeup of the virus could have been some natural mutation that originated in Bats and jumped to humans.  Helping to debunk the bat theory is that researchers have found the virus more effectively attaches to human cells than Bats.  If it started in Bats the opposite would be expected.  

 

The belief that Fauci knows more than he says and is hiding something is not some far fetched unsupported conclusion.  

 

The odds that this accidentally started in a marketplace in the same city in which a BSL4 lab that studies these exact viruses is located is also minuscule.  Occam's razor, you know.  But since China is beloved by the left...

[JaCrispy]

 

[aristocrat]

China accidentally released two viruses in the 50s and 70s so it’s not that far of a reach to think this happened 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

China accidentally released two viruses in the 50s and 70s so it’s not that far of a reach to think this happened 

Yep... the demonstrably naive believe what ever narrative they are feeding them. Bat screwed a polywog or mollusk and ended up with covid on someone’s dinner plate, in the same neighborhood where a lab intentionally mutates these exact viruses for research and has a shoddy safety record.  Then they imprison the whistleblower... sure 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[B-Man]

 

[B-Man]

 

[reddogblitz]

5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yep... the demonstrably naive believe what ever narrative they are feeding them. Bat screwed a polywog or mollusk and ended up with covid on someone’s dinner plate, in the same neighborhood where a lab intentionally mutates these exact viruses for research and has a shoddy safety record.  Then they imprison the whistleblower... sure 

 

I'm not convinced they didn't let it out on purpose.

[dpberr]

Drs. Fauci and Collins are faces of U.S. virology academia but there are thousands of scientists with a vested interest in keeping their virology research and the hundreds of millions of dollars funding it, out of the public spotlight.  You're talking about universities, third party organizations, corporations. 

 

For a guy like Fauci, he's a true believer - he thinks the research is progress and he has every interest in keeping it going.  He also controls a lot of the grant money so you're not going to have widespread questioning from his peers.   

 

I think there is an ugly truth - that SARS and SARS II were both the result of lab accidents, and there have been several close calls that were kept quiet by the very same people the public treats like prophets of truth and honesty.  

 

Is it really that much of a stretch that this is the result of human error?  Nobody has yet to show either bug is from nature or that nature can replicate it on its own.  It is no coincidence that the COVID bug was mapped so quickly and pharmaceutical companies just happened to have half built vaccine tech lying around for it.  It's because it's *all* active research.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

55 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I'm not convinced they didn't let it out on purpose.

It is kind of strange the most populated nation in the world had like 17 covid deaths, one being the whistleblower.

 

im sure if they didn’t this last time you can bet they are thinking about it now... 

[T master]

Fauci's got more S**T thank a christmas turkey !! The science is always changing to fit the narrative ...

 

Don't open the schools's open the schools's but only if children get vaccinated - we need to wear a mask out side you don't need a mask if your vaccinated ! 

 

What happens when the public finds out you can still get the virus after you been vaccinated ? 

 

Just get VAX-ED OR MAST .

 

Been calling BS & will continue to call BS !! 

Edited May 15, 2021 by T master

[US Egg]

A Tale of Two Fauci's.

[Orlando Tim]

On 5/13/2021 at 8:26 PM, Doc said:

 

The odds that this accidentally started in a marketplace in the same city in which a BSL4 lab that studies these exact viruses is located is also minuscule.  Occam's razor, you know.  But since China is beloved by the left...

I pointed out Occam's Razor to a coworker last August when we restarted school and they actually argued the simplest explanation is that a bat traveled hundreds of miles and ended up near the research facility, and that diseases just popping up Wuhan is normal. This is a well educated person who understands the concept but could not admit that China was at fault because it would prove Trump was not the main problem.

[LeGOATski]

3 hours ago, T master said:

What happens when the public finds out you can still get the virus after you been vaccinated ? 

Everyone who knows how vaccines work would already know this...

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I pointed out Occam's Razor to a coworker last August when we restarted school and they actually argued the simplest explanation is that a bat traveled hundreds of miles and ended up near the research facility, and that diseases just popping up Wuhan is normal. This is a well educated person who understands the concept but could not admit that China was at fault because it would prove Trump was not the main problem.

A Democrat obviously.  And no matter what he believes the origins were, China was sequencing the virus before alerting the rest of the world that there was a significant outbreak.

[T master]

5 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Everyone who knows how vaccines work would already know this...

 

Well those in charge seem to be trying to make people think if they get it they are immune but their actions up until today make them look foolish because now that the CDC has changed their stance they are making it look as if they are suddenly free .

 

And Fauci can't make up his dam mind on nothing one time it's one thing the next day or so it's something different even if the science tells us different . It's almost like a bad soap opera .

[LeGOATski]

50 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Well those in charge seem to be trying to make people think if they get it they are immune but their actions up until today make them look foolish because now that the CDC has changed their stance they are making it look as if they are suddenly free .

 

And Fauci can't make up his dam mind on nothing one time it's one thing the next day or so it's something different even if the science tells us different . It's almost like a bad soap opera .

You don't seem to be understanding the concept. It's the same as getting the flu vax each year. We all know that if you get the flu shot, you're much less likely to get badly sick or spread the flu.

 

If you get the covid shot, you're much less likely to get badly sick or spread the covid.

 

The population should get vaxxed and get away from the masks, but we're all too busy bitching and moaning about it all.

[RiotAct]

Juat a fun little 14-month long surrendering of our way of life!

 

Thankfully, it’s finally coming to an end.

[plenzmd1]

Fauci on Mother’s day

 

” maybe by next  Mother’s Day we can be as back as close to normal as possible”

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/health/mothers-day-2022-fauci-country-normal-coronavirus.amp

 

CDC 4 days later.... yes a whole freaking 4 days later, in other words less than a week later. . all things can get back to normal starting NOW! 

 

hmm, and this is the guy we should be taking guidance from ?

 

been a fraud from the start, His reluctance  to relinquish his 15 minutes have devastated this country

[ALF]

It's not the job of Dr Fauci to call the shots , that's the purpose of the CDC

[plenzmd1]

27 minutes ago, ALF said:

It's not the job of Dr Fauci to call the shots , that's the purpose of the CDC

Well, if he thinks it’s gunna take a year to get back to normal, and the CDC comes out 4 days later and says go back to normal now... do you think that lends to credibility?   
 

I mean, everyone says follow what DR Fauci says.. so is he completely clueless or is the CDC completely clueless. 
 

based on the Mother’s Day quote, one of them has to be. 

Edited May 16, 2021 by plenzmd1

[oldmanfan]

8 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Well, if he thinks it’s gunna take a year to get back to normal, and the CDC comes out 4 days later and says go back to normal now... do you think that lends to credibility?   
 

I mean, everyone says follow what DR Fauci says.. so is he completely clueless or is the CDC completely clueless. 
 

based on the Mother’s Day quote, one of them has to be. 

Not really.  The CDC is opening things up but still advising masks in crowded interior spaces and such.  Fauci is saying back to life as we knew it with no restrictions at all. I would say Fauci is by nature very cautious; that comes with being an infectious disease specialist.

[plenzmd1]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Not really.  The CDC is opening things up but still advising masks in crowded interior spaces and such.  Fauci is saying back to life as we knew it with no restrictions at all. I would say Fauci is by nature very cautious; that comes with being an infectious disease specialist.

“ Close to normal in a year”  and if you are vaccinated go back to your normal life with no masks except in planes, healthcare settings etc less than 4 days later” mean the same thing to you?

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

“ Close to normal in a year”  and if you are vaccinated go back to your normal life with no masks except in planes, healthcare settings etc less than 4 days later” mean the same thing to you?

There are differences.  Complete normality is what we had back in 2019.  And if you’re vaccinated we are pretty close to being there. Which is great. I have already said Fauci is a cautious guy.  What are you arguing about?  Why not focus on the positive news this week instead of bitching about stuff?

 

Tell anyone you know that hasn’t got the vaccine to do so if you want to be fully back to normal.

[plenzmd1]

16 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

There are differences.  Complete normality is what we had back in 2019.  And if you’re vaccinated we are pretty close to being there. Which is great. I have already said Fauci is a cautious guy.  What are you arguing about?  Why not focus on the positive news this week instead of bitching about stuff?

 

Tell anyone you know that hasn’t got the vaccine to do so if you want to be fully back to normal.

This thread is about Fauci. He said a week ago today we might be approaching something close to normal in a years time. 
 

4 days later CDC said go back to normal. 
 

if you think they are singing from the same songbook, God bless. 
 

I think any rational , logical , person would say one of them has to be making a big mistake. 
 

I am not sure why or how you can draw any other conclusion. 

 

if he is this far off on his predictions and how he views the state of the pandemic , why should his voice carry any credence? 
 

or if he does carry Credence and the CDC made a decision beard in politics, why in the world would I ever trust them?

 

one of them Is flat out wrong.

 

Why they are both sacred cows and you are scared to criticize one or the other tells me this whole thing is just about politics to you, and critical thinking has left the building. 
 

 

 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

This thread is about Fauci. He said a week ago today we might be approaching something close to normal in a years time. 
 

4 days later CDC said go back to normal. 
 

if you think they are singing from the same songbook, God bless. 
 

I think any rational , logical , person would say one of them has to be making a big mistake. 
 

I am not sure why or how you can draw any other conclusion. 

 

if he is this far off on his predictions and how he views the state of the pandemic , why should his voice carry any credence? 
 

or if he does carry Credence and the CDC made a decision beard in politics, why in the world would I ever trust them?

 

one of them Is flat out wrong.

 

Why they are both sacred cows and you are scared to criticize one or the other tells me this whole thing is just about politics to you, and critical thinking has left the building. 
 

 

 

I said Fauci is cautious.  That is pretty much the job description of an infectious disease specialist.  The CDC made the right call in my opinion.  They saw data showing infection rates coming down dramatically along with studies showing vaccinated people not only protect themselves but also don’t transmit virus and made the call.  That call may have been affected by the politics of the situation, and if so I would say that’s wrong.

 

There are still areas in the country where vaccination rates are too low, and as such there is a possibility infection rates can go up in the non-vaccinated population.  For the country as a whole to come back to normal that still needs work.  

 

I suggest you recognize this is not a black and white, one has to be right and one has to be wrong issue.  We have made tremendous strides, but still some work to do.

[plenzmd1]

20 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I said Fauci is cautious.  That is pretty much the job description of an infectious disease specialist.  The CDC made the right call in my opinion.  They saw data showing infection rates coming down dramatically along with studies showing vaccinated people not only protect themselves but also don’t transmit virus and made the call.  That call may have been affected by the politics of the situation, and if so I would say that’s wrong.

 

There are still areas in the country where vaccination rates are too low, and as such there is a possibility infection rates can go up in the non-vaccinated population.  For the country as a whole to come back to normal that still needs work.  

 

I suggest you recognize this is not a black and white, one has to be right and one has to be wrong issue.  We have made tremendous strides, but still some work to do.

First, the CDC itself said that IT IS black and white...you vaccinated, no need to mask or social distance. There is no ambivalence there, no suggestions..just black and white directions!

 

 

Second Fauci  suggested normal that would take place in years time..and that was his guidance. So the country at standstill for another year while the CDC said move forward FOUR , yes FOUR days later. Cautious might have been "i see us back to normal Memorial  Day..or really cautious July 4""...no he said a year later!!!!

 

Listen, i can tell you ,like many others, are  left in a conundrum here. You placed your blind faith in Fauci as infallible,you placed your blind faith that once Biden was elected,  the CDC would only follow the science, as you suspected the CDC was politicized under Trump...and now? well now both of those cannot be true based on the events of the last week...

 

You can argue all you want Fauci and the CDC are on the same page...it is ridiculous to say 4 days and 1 year are equivalent... and as i say just proves you are not willing to look at facts and utilize critical thinking to make a conclusion or criticism .

 

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by plenzmd1

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

First, the CDC itself said that IT IS black and white...you vaccinated, no need to mask or social distance. There is no ambivalence there, no suggestions..just black and white directions!

 

 

Second Fauci  suggested normal that would take place in years time..and that was his guidance. So the country at standstill for another year while the CDC said move forward FOUR , yes FOUR days later. Cautious might have been "i see us back to normal Memorial  Day..or really cautious July 4""...no he said a year later!!!!

 

Listen, i can tell you ,like many others, are  left in a conundrum here. You placed your blind faith in Fauci as infallible,you placed your blind faith that once Biden was elected,  the CDC would only follow the science, as you suspected the CDC was politicized under Trump...and now? well now both of those cannot be true based on the events of the last week...

 

You can argue all you want Fauci and the CDC are on the same page...it is ridiculous to say 4 days and 1 year are equivalent... and as i say just proves you are not willing to look at facts and utilize critical thinking to make a conclusion or criticism .

 

 

I did not say that Fauci and the CDC are on the same page.  I said I agree with the CDC’s statement this week, and that Fauci is more cautious.  And I said you are want to make this a black and white issue while in truth there are still some greys here.

 

I choose to be happy about the CDC guidelines as they show that vaccinated folks are in great shape.  You choose to gripe about things.  I’ll take my outlook.

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

I did not say that Fauci and the CDC are on the same page.  I said I agree with the CDC’s statement this week, and that Fauci is more cautious.  And I said you are want to make this a black and white issue while in truth there are still some greys here.

 

I choose to be happy about the CDC guidelines as they show that vaccinated folks are in great shape.  You choose to gripe about things.  I’ll take my outlook.

Then shouldn't Dr. F finally just shut the heck up already!  His desire to be in the spotlight is a HUGE part of the problem. He's addicted to the microphone.  He needs to step back, step off, and let the Organizations set the narrative.  Either head of the CDC needs to be the mouthpiece now....or Dr. F....but not both.