Brownies sign Clowney

[ColoradoBills]

The Browns will finally rise above the Steelers in the division this year.

Not that big of a thing because the Bengals will pass the Steelers in 2022.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Just now, teef said:

Are you one of those posters who can’t handle the bills’ success?

Love the Bills success. 
Just don’t understand other posters points about the Browns who gave the Chiefs all they could handle.

One can make the argument that at least pre-draft the Bills are no better than the team they had in 2020. They did a great job of bringing people back, but are they a better team? I think they are a little better on the DL, depth on OL seems a bit better, and at WR they may be better at WR#2 (at least less injury prone).

I think most would agree the Browns are a better team on paper than they were in 2020.  They have addressed their biggest weakness in the secondary with one of the best free agent signings this off-season.

Garrett may be the best defender in AFC but in the end Allen is a better QB than Mayfield and that matters most.

[DCOrange]

Cleveland has had a great offseason so far IMO. They should be good once again next season.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

24 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Are you from Portland Oregon or Maine?

Born and raised in WNY - Tonawanda and Lockport to be specific. In Portland Oregon since 2002 after 14 years in Ohio

 

 

Edited April 14, 2021 by Ethan in Portland

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Agreed. Would’ve liked the Bills to take this gamble... But your right. As long as Allen plays like he did last season and doesn’t regress Bills>Browns.... unless Mayfield takes another step forward then the Browns may be the better team....outside of QB they have a more talented roster, IMO. 

 

Dude    please don't tell me you think OBJ is better than Diggs.

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I don’t. OBJ is often injuries and hasn’t been the same for a couple years....but if he regains form I’d take their skills group over the Bills collection hands down.... as I said, the difference between the two teams is at QB. If Josh Allen wasn’t so dynamic I’d bet the Browns to be the better team next season. 

 

OK then.  I give the nod to the overall WR room to the Bills and the RB and TE rooms to the Browns.

Let's remember though the Browns use a lot of treasure on their RBs.

[cle23]

20 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

OK then.  I give the nod to the overall WR room to the Bills and the RB and TE rooms to the Browns.

Let's remember though the Browns use a lot of treasure on their RBs.

 

Use a lot of treasure?

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, cle23 said:

 

Use a lot of treasure?

 

I've got a pocket full of "pieces of eight".

[TBBills]

57 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

People were saying similar things about the Bucs last offseason with all their collection of “individual talent”. 

No b.c they had Brady and that is all that matters when it comes to leadership. Faker Mayfield is nothing.

Edited April 14, 2021 by TBBills

[Patrick Duffy]

2 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I think it’s a great signing for them. Clowney has shown flashes when he’s not the main guy. Having Garrett opposite him will be a big deal. 
I have never liked the guy much, he seems like a minimum effort player to me who only turns it on a couple times a year. But for Cleveland it wasn’t a big risk to pair him with Garrett. For us is a different story, he’d have to be the main guy here, and we can’t afford too many more misses on edge players. All that said I’d be shocked if clowney plays 8-10 games for them. 

 

Yeah, I will be curious to see how he does with Garrett and co. You're right, it could definitely make a difference with those better impact players around him. Seattle's D was just terrible from top to bottom, with the Texans he had a little better surrounding cast, but not as good as the Browns have. 

 

So that's a good point and will be keeping an eye on that.

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Why all these anti-Browns comments. They beat the Steelers on the road in a lopsided game when the Bills beat them at home in a fairly close game. Which team played the Chiefs better?  

True but it's safe to say Steelers were not a good team last quarter of the season. Not sure what happened but was night and day difference from 1st like 12 games compared to the last few.

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

The Browns will finally rise above the Steelers in the division this year.

Not that big of a thing because the Bengals will pass the Steelers in 2022.

Maybe, but Ravens will be in that mix by all means also. Can't count them out of it for sure.

[K-9]

6 hours ago, gobills404 said:

Cledeveon Browney

Outstanding! All I could come up with is Clowney Browny. 

[Patrick Duffy]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

So he gets no credit for their season last year? 

Think he was being sarcastic.. least I think so anyway lol

[Weatherman]

7 hours ago, Logic said:

Clowney had zero sacks last year.

He has 12 sacks in the last three years COMBINED.

He has played a full 16-game season just ONCE in his seven year career.

I have never seen such an overhyped player in my life. He's still making a living off of one amazing college play and a really cool name.

 

This was a very.....Logic-al response.  

[1ManRaid]

7 hours ago, gobills404 said:

Cledeveon Browney

 

That's so dumb, so why am I laughing?

[buffaloboyinATL]

He will have 3-5 sacks next season and disrupt 10-12 passes. Is that worth $10 million? I am honestly not sure, but I don’t think so. 

1 hour ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

That's so dumb, so why am I laughing?

Weed?

[Patrick Duffy]

6 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

He will have 3-5 sacks next season and disrupt 10-12 passes. Is that worth $10 million? I am honestly not sure, but I don’t think so. 

Weed?

I don't know. I'm curious to see how he does with Garrett and few good players around him. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

2 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

I don't know. I'm curious to see how he does with Garrett and few good players around him. 

I think he will be great for a few games and then be injured for parts or all of the rest.  That’s why my projections are low. 

[just1hugheser]

the problem with dlinemen like this is that they can actually be useful in the playoffs, look at a guy like jpp or suh or other mercenaries who have all the talent in the world but not the motivation to be great.

 

But pay em 10 mil for a year and let them do whatever they want during the regular season then when you make the playoffs they actually try, so for teams who know they are gonna make the playoffs and need someone to collapse the middle(suh) or someone to come off the edge(jpp, clown, etc.) it can be worth it.

[RyanC883]

9 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Beane's strategy in FA this season for other team's players - wait for every team to sign players for $$$ - and then offer the minimum to whoever is left. So, Houston and Ingram are still left in the Edge market.

 

get them both!!

[just1hugheser]

id bet he has around 6-8 sacks during the reg season, he'll play especially well in primetime games and when/if they make the playoffs he'll blow up

[eball]

So I see the Browns are @ScottLaw‘s new Jets.  After all, he nailed that one.

 

Cleveland has a nice roster.  They’re limited by their QB.  Need to prove they can get over the Baltimore hump before I’ll put them in the top 3 in the AFC.

 

Clowney is terribly overrated, but he’s better than JAG so I guess it’s an upgrade for them.  He’s a player who is so clearly just in it for “me” though...not what I’m looking for when building a culture.

 

Nobody in the AFC has Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen.  The next best QB might be Herbert.  Jackson, Watson, Tannehill, Derek Carr (!) were all better than Baker last year.  And now the AFC will add Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson.

 

The Browns are certainly no pushover and should be a playoff team again, but I’ll pump the brakes on calling them great just yet.

 

[GunnerBill]

37 minutes ago, eball said:

So I see the Browns are @ScottLaw‘s new Jets.  After all, he nailed that one.

 

Cleveland has a nice roster.  They’re limited by their QB.  Need to prove they can get over the Baltimore hump before I’ll put them in the top 3 in the AFC.

 

Clowney is terribly overrated, but he’s better than JAG so I guess it’s an upgrade for them.  He’s a player who is so clearly just in it for “me” though...not what I’m looking for when building a culture.

 

Nobody in the AFC has Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen.  The next best QB might be Herbert.  Jackson, Watson, Tannehill, Derek Carr (!) were all better than Baker last year.  And now the AFC will add Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson.

 

The Browns are certainly no pushover and should be a playoff team again, but I’ll pump the brakes on calling them great just yet.

 

 

Agree. The Browns are a playoff team. They are a team that can win a playoff game. I don't see them as a team who can win a Championship. That isn't just on Baker either. The back 7 of their defense is way too inconsistent.

[machine gun kelly]

58 minutes ago, eball said:

So I see the Browns are @ScottLaw‘s new Jets.  After all, he nailed that one.

 

Cleveland has a nice roster.  They’re limited by their QB.  Need to prove they can get over the Baltimore hump before I’ll put them in the top 3 in the AFC.

 

Clowney is terribly overrated, but he’s better than JAG so I guess it’s an upgrade for them.  He’s a player who is so clearly just in it for “me” though...not what I’m looking for when building a culture.

 

Nobody in the AFC has Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen.  The next best QB might be Herbert.  Jackson, Watson, Tannehill, Derek Carr (!) were all better than Baker last year.  And now the AFC will add Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson.

 

The Browns are certainly no pushover and should be a playoff team again, but I’ll pump the brakes on calling them great just yet.

 

Overall, well said mean.  He had 2 sacks total over two years.  He is incredibly overrated.  He’s never had double digit sacks in a year.  There is some fascination with this guy and for several years was opposite Watt in his prime.  Garrett is great, but if Watt can’t make him look great, then I doubt Garrett can do better.

 

$8 mil. With $2mil. In incentives is overpaying.  Overall Cleveland is a solid team and ahead in my opinion than Pitt.  They are basically neck and neck with Baltimore.  I’m happy for Cleveland fans as they’ve suffered as long as we did for the last two decades.  I think they will be a very good team and should expect to see them in the playoffs in the future.  At this point I’d rather see clevelandas a repeat playoff contender than Pitt.

 

I see the afc usual suspects are going to be Indy, us, Cleveland, KC, Baltimore, Chargers, and possibly Miami.  There are always surprises, but these teams look like either good or on their way to being good.  There may be others but we’ll see.

[BarleyNY]

20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree. The Browns are a playoff team. They are a team that can win a playoff game. I don't see them as a team who can win a Championship. That isn't just on Baker either. The back 7 of their defense is way too inconsistent.

Very true about last season’s back 7.  But the Browns have made a lot of improvements already.  They’ll get back from IR two players that took zero snaps last season in 2nd round picks Grant Delpit (2020, S) and Greedy Williams (2019, CB).  They also signed safety John Johnson III and cornerback Troy Hill.

 

They still need work at LB and could use insurance on the outside for Greedy who has been injured the last two seasons with nerve damage in his shoulder, but that’s about it.  Their back 7 is going to look a lot different than last year.

 

As for Mayfield, last year he was in his 3rd system in 3 seasons and had no preseason game or real offseason to prepare.  He was horrible early in the year and it looked bad.  But by mid season he’d learned it well enough to look like an entirely different player.  In fact he was rated the second best QB in the league over the second half of the season.  For the season that brought him up to 10th in QBR and 8th in PFF’s rankings.  It will be interesting to see how he does in 2021, but if he picks up where he left off then it looks pretty damn good for him. 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

 

I see the afc usual suspects are going to be Indy, us, Cleveland, KC, Baltimore, Chargers, and possibly Miami.  There are always surprises, but these teams look like either good or on their way to being good.  There may be others but we’ll see.

 

Still think the Titans too. They zig while the league is zagging and a bit like Baltimore it is that uniqueness to their style of play that makes them a tough matchup. Might not feel that way but they have had five winning seasons in a row. I know they lost their starters at corner (though they were not very good last year in any event) and their OC but I still see a QB-RB combo that compliment each other, I think they have one of the best young receivers in the game and a top half dozen left tackle. They will be in the playoff hunt again IMO. 

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Very true about last season’s back 7.  But the Browns have made a lot of improvements already.  They’ll get back from IR two players that took zero snaps last season in 2nd round picks Grant Delpit (2020, S) and Greedy Williams (2019, CB).  They also signed safety John Johnson III and cornerback Troy Hill.

 

They still need work at LB and could use insurance on the outside for Greedy who has been injured the last two seasons with nerve damage in his shoulder, but that’s about it.  Their back 7 is going to look a lot different than last year.

 

As for Mayfield, last year he was in his 3rd system in 3 seasons and had no preseason game or real offseason to prepare.  He was horrible early in the year and it looked bad.  But by mid season he’d learned it well enough to look like an entirely different player.  In fact he was rated the second best QB in the league over the second half of the season.  For the season that brought him up to 10th in QBR and 8th in PFF’s rankings.  It will be interesting to see how he does in 2021, but if he picks up where he left off then it looks pretty damn good for him. 

 

Delpit and Williams are still maybes though and Johnson and Hill are solid role players but they are not difference makers. If they all mesh together than yes, it could be significant upgrade but until I see it on the field I still have question marks about that back 7. 

[Charles Romes]

20 hours ago, Logic said:

Clowney had zero sacks last year.

He has 12 sacks in the last three years COMBINED.

He has played a full 16-game season just ONCE in his seven year career.

I have never seen such an overhyped player in my life. He's still making a living off of one amazing college play and a really cool name.

 

Amazing college career?  You mean that one play where no one even blocked him?  The hype started long ago. 

[BarleyNY]

54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Still think the Titans too. They zig while the league is zagging and a bit like Baltimore it is that uniqueness to their style of play that makes them a tough matchup. Might not feel that way but they have had five winning seasons in a row. I know they lost their starters at corner (though they were not very good last year in any event) and their OC but I still see a QB-RB combo that compliment each other, I think they have one of the best young receivers in the game and a top half dozen left tackle. They will be in the playoff hunt again IMO. 

 

Delpit and Williams are still maybes though and Johnson and Hill are solid role players but they are not difference makers. If they all mesh together than yes, it could be significant upgrade but until I see it on the field I still have question marks about that back 7. 

It’s fair to say that the Browns back 7 has question marks, but you’re very much undervaluing Hill and Johnson.  Johnson was easily a top 10 and probably top 5 safety last season.  Hill has been solid outside at CB but graded out as the best slot CB in the league.  Delpit is probably the third safety behind Johnson and Ronnie Harrison, who’s also probably a top 10 safety.  When in Nickel it’ll be Denzel Ward at CB1 with CB2 either Greedy, Hill (with 3 safeties) or a player to be found.  LB is definitely more of a concern and the defense has to come together, sure.  But I can’t believe that they are going to look the same as last season. 

[machine gun kelly]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Still think the Titans too. They zig while the league is zagging and a bit like Baltimore it is that uniqueness to their style of play that makes them a tough matchup. Might not feel that way but they have had five winning seasons in a row. I know they lost their starters at corner (though they were not very good last year in any event) and their OC but I still see a QB-RB combo that compliment each other, I think they have one of the best young receivers in the game and a top half dozen left tackle. They will be in the playoff hunt again IMO. 

 

Delpit and Williams are still maybes though and Johnson and Hill are solid role players but they are not difference makers. If they all mesh together than yes, it could be significant upgrade but until I see it on the field I still have question marks about that back 7. 

My bad the great GB, my Brit friend.  You’re absolutely right on the Titans.

[GunnerBill]

40 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

It’s fair to say that the Browns back 7 has question marks, but you’re very much undervaluing Hill and Johnson.  Johnson was easily a top 10 and probably top 5 safety last season.  Hill has been solid outside at CB but graded out as the best slot CB in the league.  Delpit is probably the third safety behind Johnson and Ronnie Harrison, who’s also probably a top 10 safety.  When in Nickel it’ll be Denzel Ward at CB1 with CB2 either Greedy, Hill (with 3 safeties) or a player to be found.  LB is definitely more of a concern and the defense has to come together, sure.  But I can’t believe that they are going to look the same as last season. 

 

I like Harrison but I thought he struggled last year in the scheme. I've never been a massive fan of Denzel Ward as an outside corner. I still think now what I thought on draft day. He can do it but he will always be a 7/10 there..... I think he'd be the best nickel corner in the league. 

Edited April 15, 2021 by GunnerBill

[Richard Noggin]

18 hours ago, gjv001 said:

I think there is a very good chance the AFC Title Game this season will be the Battle of Lake Erie.

The mistake by the m'lake

[Patrick Duffy]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree. The Browns are a playoff team. They are a team that can win a playoff game. I don't see them as a team who can win a Championship. That isn't just on Baker either. The back 7 of their defense is way too inconsistent.

Maybe, but they did do fairly decent against the Chiefs playoff game. Hell of a lot better than Bills defense did against Chiefs anyway. 

2 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

Amazing college career?  You mean that one play where no one even blocked him?  The hype started long ago. 

Yeah really. It was just and impressive tackle/hit basically....

[Mr. WEO]

Has any player who was never coming to the Bills ever generated so many threads and thread pages?

 

I'm asking for a friend  before he  starts the next Clowney thread.

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Has any player who was never coming to the Bills ever generated so many threads and thread pages?

 

I'm asking for a friend  before he  starts the next Clowney thread.

JJ Watt? Well guess you can say it was possible he'd be a Bills. Many thought he was anyways,

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Maybe, but they did do fairly decent against the Chiefs playoff game. Hell of a lot better than Bills defense did against Chiefs anyway. 

 

They did. But they sucked against the Steelers the week before. That is exactly my point. They were wildly inconsistent back there all season. They gave up 34 or more on SEVEN occasions out of their 18 games. That is way too many. The Bills defense took a step back last year, we can all agree that.... they only gave up 34 or more on 3 occasions in their 19 games.  

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They did. But they sucked against the Steelers the week before. That is exactly my point. They were wildly inconsistent back there all season. They gave up 34 or more on SEVEN occasions out of their 18 games. That is way too many. The Bills defense took a step back last year, we can all agree that.... they only gave up 34 or more on 3 occasions in their 19 games.  

Yeah you're right. I guess I meant they did about as well as one could hope for when it mattered the most with Chiefs. The week before against Steelers, if I remember right Browns had that big lead right? Could have took the foot off the pedal in that particular game.

 

Either way, throughout the season I agree they were inconsistent.

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

JJ Watt? Well guess you can say it was possible he'd be a Bills. Many thought he was anyways,

 

With Clowney, it's an annual phenomenon.  

[NoHuddleKelly12]

39 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Has any player who was never coming to the Bills ever generated so many threads and thread pages?

 

I'm asking for a friend  before he  starts the next Clowney thread.

Ertz? 🤷‍♂️

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Ertz? 🤷‍♂️

 

Just since March 2020, there have been 8 Clowney threads.  Plus another in 2019 (38 pages!).  There's even one in 2014!

[GunnerBill]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

If Baker improves again they can absolutely win the AFC, IMO.

 

Not without their back 7 getting better. Now as @BarleyNY has articulated they could take a decent jump there but they need to if they have aspirations to win the AFC. They ain't playing in a Superbowl giving up 34 points or more 7 times next season.