Vaccination will be required to attend Bills games this season, per Polancarz. [Edit: "No official vaccination policy yet" per Bills ticket office.]

[teef]

8 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

Exactly! You should be allowed to make your own risk assessment. 
 

I happen to think it’s dangerous for a segment of the population to think (incorrectly) that now that they received a vaccination that they are now 100% immune and don’t have to worry about it anymore. 
 

I think those people are just as risky as those who don’t get the vaccine but maintain a healthy and clean regimen out of precaution. 
 

The one-size-fits-all approach usually means it doesn’t fit anyone. 

who thinks this? this is a pretty dangerous assumption.  i've had my vaccine, but still wear the mask and do what i have to.

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

 

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”

 

-Ronald Reagan

"Well, I learned a lot... I went down to (Latin America) to find out from them and (learn) their views. You'd be surprised. They're all individual countries"

 

-Ronald Reagan

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

It wouldn't surprise me if the NFL has a vaccine policy for the players too.

 

The NFL has said it will not be requiring the vaccine.

 

However, it wouldn't be a surprise if they would have alternatives, and the alternatives be not particularly palatable.

Like you can either get the vaccine, OR continue with last year's restrictions

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, K-9 said:

The Bills did not mandate this policy. Erie County, the owner of the stadium, did. It’s no different than the county mandating restrictions in its libraries, community colleges, or any other public facility they own.

Erie County doesn’t own the stadium. The Pegula’s do. They operate their business in a state, so they have to listen to state rules or move to states that allow them to conduct their businesses as they see fit. 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

Says the person who never lived in a communist country 🙄

How about you guys actually define Communism because at this point I have to assume it means thing you don't like.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Kelsayrundefense said:

Can't wait to see a bunch of binge drinking, overweight, unhealthy people sitting in the stands with their vaccines cards and their masks on.

your loss.  
 

[dwight in philly]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

First, thank you for being the first to spell HIPAA correctly.

 

Second, that is still not how HIPAA works.

Speling is crucail on here .. 

[H2o]

3 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

 

that graph....

 

 I tell people they've just been trying to **** us over the whole time. The graph is a visual. 

[teef]

i'm going to put this out there as well...a member earlier mentioned that people who choose not to get the vaccine are being treated as anti-vaxxers.

 

just read through this thread.  the people who are attacking the most are the ones who refuse it completely...calling people sheep, stating people are blindly following what the government tell them what to do, thinking your lives are being taking over, etc.  this group wants to act persecuted, but yet they're the most attacking of the bunch.  

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Arkady Renko said:

Surprised they aren't going the Excelsior Pass route that allows for a recent negative test also.  

 

I would expect that when the dust settles, that is what they'll do.  It's a reasonable accomodation.

[Mango]

32 minutes ago, Lv-Bills said:

Huh?  Unless this is a rule for kids in New York, this is pretty much 100% false.  I have season tickets, live in VA, and neither of my kids were required to get vaccinations to go to school.  My 5 year old is in Kindergarten, and my 11 year old is in 5th grade.  Both have been in school all year (September through Current) 4 days per week, with Wednesdays off.  School wasn't closed for Covid, not even once.  There have only been a handful of positive Covid cases (Notifications via email) in the school building all year, and most were from employees.  Most teachers were all vaccinated a couple of months ago, and that's when the high schools actually went back to school.  No vaccination required there either.  

 

So, what kids had to get a vaccine to return to school?  Thank god our school district actually was in school all year.  I'm grateful to them for my kids future. It's still quite frowned upon that kids are vaccinated at this time anyway.  At least the younger kids for sure.  

 

I think you are over thinking this one my man. The post you quoted said "a vaccine" not "the vaccine".

 

Unsure about VA, but in NYS you are no longer allowed to claim religious exemption for vaccines while attending public schools. So in effect, all kids in NY are required to be vaccinated for one thing or another. I would assume that your kids are required to have some form of vaccination to start the school year down there as well. 

[PastaJoe]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Erie County doesn’t own the stadium. The Pegula’s do. They operate their business in a state, so they have to listen to state rules or move to states that allow them to conduct their businesses as they see fit. 

Actually Erie County owns it, the Bills lease it from the county.

[K-9]

10 minutes ago, teef said:

who thinks this? this is a pretty dangerous assumption.  i've had my vaccine, but still wear the mask and do what i have to.

We may be done with the virus, but it’s certainly not done with us as seen by it’s mutated variants and recent uptick in positive tests in some areas. Including Erie county. Continuing to exercise an abundance of caution is just good, common sense. 

Edited April 13, 2021 by K-9

[Milanos Milano]

4 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

How about you guys actually define Communism because at this point I have to assume it means thing you don't like.

Communism is state ownership of nearly everything. We are a long ways away from that lol 

1 minute ago, PastaJoe said:

Actually Erie County owns it, the Bills lease it from the county.

Ok, good to know. I was wrong and I apologize. But then if they lease it, then technically do they own it and would another buyer of the team have to agree to the lease terms with the state? 

Edited April 13, 2021 by IronMaidenBills

[ColoradoBills]

8 minutes ago, Fallsnative01 said:

I guess I should look into this Excelsior Pass stuff.  I'm planning to come to Buffalo 2 maybe 3 times this year.

Do you think it's worth getting one?  Can non-NY residents get one?

I know you can download the app, just not sure how you would upload any vaccination data that you get from CO. I am living in COS too and have gotten my shot, and plan on going home for a couple games. The NYS website for the App says fans can bring a paper card to an event, however I dont want to travel all that way and get to the stadium only to be denied entry. The Bills hopefully will address this issue soon.

 

6 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I quickly checked the FAQ here and it looks like the data comes from New York State vaccination sites, so I think one would have to be vaccinated in NYS in order to get the pass.  It's free.

 

https://covid19vaccine.health.ny.gov/excelsior-pass

 

 

 

Thanks guys, I appreciate the replies.  I'm going to be back there in a few weeks so I'll check into it more.

Plus, all the stuff is constantly changing so who knows what inputs these "passes" will allow by the time the season rolls around.

[Don Otreply]

16 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

It’s always amusing to me the rhetoric that has to be attached to those who question a rushed, conditionally approved medical treatment for a disease with a 98% survival rate. I suppose since your arguments are so clear and above reproach that stooping to ad hominem’s is your own personal flavor?

 

Anyway, I won’t question the vaccine process until someone of high authority in our country does.....

 

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/18/what-andrew-cuomo-kamala-harris-said-about-vaccine-skepticism/%3FoutputType%3Damp

 

 

Just saying out loud what  I have heard, read, and  seen first hand from that minority of our fellow Americans... 

[sodbuster]

I'm cool with the vax, I've already had my first dose. My only concern is more with the smartphone app being the way you are granted access. Two people within my gameday group don't even have smartphones, and I know of at least one other who is uneasy with the app itself.

[DaggersEOD]

6 minutes ago, teef said:

who thinks this? this is a pretty dangerous assumption.  i've had my vaccine, but still wear the mask and do what i have to.

So you’re saying that nobody thinks the vaccine actually works?

 

That there isn’t a segment of the population who bought the hype and now believe they’re safe?

 

You seem pretty smart. You like the muppets. I don’t think you fall into that category. 

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

We may be done with the virus, but it’s certainly not done with us as seen by it’s mutated variants and recent uptick in positive tests in some areas. Including Erie county. Continuing to exercise an abundance of caution is just good,  imminent sense. 

It really does figure that despite the historically fast development of a vaccine we're still going to make this a tight race down to the finish line.

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Erie County doesn’t own the stadium. The Pegula’s do. They operate their business in a state, so they have to listen to state rules or move to states that allow them to conduct their businesses as they see fit. 

You are misinformed. Erie County has owned the stadium since it was built. The Bills (PSE) are its chief tenant and operator.  

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

 

just read through this thread.  the people who are attacking the most are the ones who refuse it completely...calling people sheep, stating people are blindly following what the government tell them what to do, thinking your lives are being taking over, etc.  this group wants to act persecuted, but yet they're the most attacking of the bunch.  

 

 

 

 

I got the second shot a month ago.

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, K-9 said:

You are misinformed. Erie County has owned the stadium since it was built. The Bills (PSE) are its chief tenant and operator.  

See above, but yes, I was misinformed and I shouldn’t have been so confident about it. So how would this work with a future sale? Couldn’t the owner just buy the stadium outright? 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

Nick Veronica

@NickVeronica

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Poloncarz says people have personal choice to not get the vaccine if they don't want it. Attending a football game is also a personal choice, he says. "There's no God-given right to attend a football game," Poloncarz said.

 

[Mango]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The NFL has said it will not be requiring the vaccine.

 

However, it wouldn't be a surprise if they would have alternatives, and the alternatives be not particularly palatable.

Like you can either get the vaccine, OR continue with last year's restrictions

 

Just spit balling. I think this may be an over correction on their part for catching heat for their regular testing. I am not complaining that they were testing so often. But I have friends who waited weeks for their test results, and the NFL was getting thousands run every single day. If the NFL mandated vaccination, they would need to have players skip the line in order to get a lot of them. Not great optics. 

They will have other plans in place during this season, some will probably be similar to last year with temps, testing, and close contacts, just a bit more lax. 

I think they are kicking the can down the road as far as the vaccine. The world has changed rapidly the last year/year and a half. They will wait to see what 2022 looks like before mandating anything. But I would not be shocked if they required it next season. 



 

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, DaggersEOD said:

So you’re saying that nobody thinks the vaccine actually works?

 

That there isn’t a segment of the population who bought the hype and now believe they’re safe?

 

You seem pretty smart. You like the muppets. I don’t think you fall into that category. 

The Vaccine works until it doesn't. All it takes is just the right mutation and then here we go again. The idea is to give it as little opportunity to do that as possible.

[White Linen]

Since you don't have to have a government issued ID to vote, would you need it to enter the Bills game to prove the vaccine matches?  Wouldn't that be unfair to the millions and millions oppressed from voting and now they can't enter a Bills game?

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Just saying out loud what  I have heard, read, and  seen first hand from that minority of our fellow Americans... 

 

Including the Vice President who is helping with the rollout of the vaccine, or the governor of NY who signs the checks of the guy whose statement started this thread? Or does skepticism only = low intellect when it fits the side of the fence you’re currently munchin the grass on?

 

Your initial post calling anyone who disagrees with you/this decision of low intellect is pretty telling for how willing and able you are to engage in useful dialogue about your believes and held opinions. I’d encourage you to rethink that.

[Boatdrinks]

Poloncarz cannot fathom a lot of things. Anyway, I’m fine with this as long as it means NO MASKS and no tests. 

[K-9]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

See above, but yes, I was misinformed and I shouldn’t have been so confident about it. So how would this work with a future sale? Couldn’t the owner just buy the stadium outright? 

No worries. A new owner could conceivably buy it if the county was willing to sell, but it would be a separate transaction from the purchase of the team. Much like when the Pegulas purchased the team from the the Wilson foundation and they had to abide by the lease agreement in place. 

[Kmart128]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Saw something on not laminating them because it can smudge the ink.

 

The lady told me it was ok to laminate... what i did is made a copy and laminated the copy and keep the original locked away so it doesnt get lost 

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

The Vaccine works until it doesn't. All it takes is just the right mutation and then here we go again. The idea is to give it as little opportunity to do that as possible.

 

 

This ridiculousness is exactly why letting the government "control" the virus was a massive error that history will not judge kindly.  

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Screams tactic to get more people vaccinated when demand is dropping, it should work or at least get people interested into it again. Which is a good thing

 

With that said I do expect that you will need to show some proof to enter, how easy it will be to fake this proof is another question entirely 

 

[BuffaloBob]

44 minutes ago, Kelsayrundefense said:

If you thinking forcing me to take an unapproved FDA vaccine that was fast tracked for a disease that has less than a .1% mortality rate for my age group is cynical, then I guess I'm cynical.

I'd love to see where you get .1% mortality rate.  😄  Based on known current tracked figures of fatalities and confirmed cases, the fatality rate is about 1.8% in this country.  For the rate you claim for this country, 640,000,000 people would have had to have been infected in this country.  Last time I checked, that's not far from twice the actual population of the country.  So, impossible.

 

You ought to more cynical of your math skills, than a virus vaccine technology that has already been approved under normal or non-emergency use against tuberculosis Bacillus Calmette Guerin (BCG).

[teef]

3 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

So you’re saying that nobody thinks the vaccine actually works?

 

That there isn’t a segment of the population who bought the hype and now believe they’re safe?

 

You seem pretty smart. You like the muppets. I don’t think you fall into that category. 

you completely twisted what i said.    i think the vaccine works, but it doesn't mean everything is completely back to normal yet.  so if people bought the hype, that means they got the vaccine?  there's no hype here.  it's a decision.  it just seems to me that people who choose not to get the vaccine are far more attacking about it that people who have gotten it.

 

some people have been so tricked into think their government is trying to control them...that we're going socialist or communist with these new rules.  your freedoms are being taken away!  you can accuse people of falling for the hype for taking it, but that is that type of thinking?  

[DaggersEOD]

7 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

How about you guys actually define Communism because at this point I have to assume it means thing you don't like.

Well to be precise it’s Socialism.

 

Communism is a lofty goal (to some) that is unattainable by today’s humans. That is because we’re too stuck on freedom and ownership. 

 

Socialism is the transition from capitalism to communism where “experts” and government officials control the society and its production because society isn’t evolved enough to accept communism. 
 

The thing is, no one gets past socialism because it gives too much power to the controlling class, leaving the rest destitute. 
 

So yes, I don’t like it and yes, unaccountable government officials telling people to do things against their will for the “good of the people” smacks of socialism. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Arkady Renko said:

Just tried getting the Excelsior Pass.  Doesn't register my clinical trial vaccine despite me having a CDC card for it.  

 

Excelsior Pass program will need to be expanded significantly before it would be practical to use for something like stadium admission:

"At this time, Passes may only be retrieved for COVID-19 vaccinations or negative test results received in the State of New York."

 

My guess is the clinical trial doesn't count as "received in the State of New York" but there will surely be a lot of NYS residents who were vaccinated elsewhere, as well as residents of other states who wish to attend.

[teef]

2 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

Well to be precise it’s Socialism.

 

Communism is a lofty goal (to some) that is unattainable by today’s humans. That is because we’re too stuck on freedom and ownership. 

 

Socialism is the transition from capitalism to communism where “experts” and government officials control the society and its production because society isn’t evolved enough to accept communism. 
 

The thing is, no one gets past socialism because it gives too much power to the controlling class, leaving the rest destitute. 
 

So yes, I don’t like it and yes, unaccountable government officials telling people to do things against their will for the “good of the people” smacks of socialism. 

you've been completely pushed to a point of fear.  nicely done.  

[DaggersEOD]

11 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Just saying out loud what  I have heard, read, and  seen first hand from that minority of our fellow Americans... 

Cant really call them the minority until you hit 50% voluntary vaccinations. 
 

That’s both science AND math 😇

[Seasons1992]

1 hour ago, Kelsayrundefense said:

Did you know that your name rhymes with queef?

 

Enjoy probation for eternity.

Messing with @teef leads to hilarity against the offender.

[Big Blitz]

Worth mentioning that Erie County just told you in order for life to get back to their new version of normal the endemic aerosolized virus has to be eradicated.

 

Our kids must take the experimental vaccine for that to happen.   

 

Totally what we signed up for.

 

Carry on.