Who’s the ONE guy you want the Bills to draft no matter what!!?

[McBean]

5 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Travis Etienne or Kadarius Toney. Either one would put this offense over the top. Each of them bring speed and elusiveness to their respective position groups. Those are my guys. 

Love this 

[YoloinOhio]

Spencer Brown!

[Einstein's Dog]

I like Pitts but he is not realistic at 30.  And I am still holding out hope that Ertz can be brought in for a 5th.

 

I like bpa in an area of high cost for the long term team building aspects.  That means a DE/DL, OL, or WR (it's true that CB is in this category but I do not like it when they are drafted).  These positions are less risky because even if the player only makes it to rotational status they still are a bargain. 

 

The Q Jeffersons, Addison, Murphies over $5m apiece.  A vet RB like Fournette or Bell was only $2m.  And we have two 3rd round RBs already on the roster.  Don't even think about doing RB again until maybe next year when you could get someone who gets groomed to replace Singletary.

[CEN-CAL17]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Zay Jones was #1 in receptions and set the all time NCAA record along with winning the Billitnekoff award. 

 

Doesn't mean a lot.

Is East Carolina in the SEC? The top 2 CBs are coming out of the SEC potentially 2 top 15 picks. You see some of his highlights against both those teams?

[YoloinOhio]

Michael Strachan!

[Big Turk]

20 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Is East Carolina in the SEC? The top 2 CBs are coming out of the SEC potentially 2 top 15 picks. You see some of his highlights against both those teams?

 

Plenty of WRs from the SEC have been busts in the NFL. Florida has a long list of them alone...

Edited April 5, 2021 by Big Turk

[CEN-CAL17]

39 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Plenty of WRs from the SEC have been busts in the NFL. Florida has a long list of them alone...

We will see. I just think Moore in the right system can be a dominant slot WR in this league. Slot WR being a big role in this offense.

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, glazeduck said:

Obviously a lot still to play out but I think a cb at 30 starts right away. Wallace is maybe barely sufficient and Jackson is an end of roster guy. You could make a pretty strong argument for Freirmuth to start too. AND a RB at 30 would absolutely be our starter...
 

I can see an argument for Moore, or another 4th wr playing a lot only because RB and TE are arguably our worst two positions, but generally speaking, 4 wr packages aren’t overly common as any sort of “base” in the nfl, so they’d still be a sub-package guy and or injury backup. If you assume he plays maybe half the snaps, I’m not sure his contribution, relative to what a later wr or Hodgins would give you, is worth that high of a draft pick, compared to what you could get at cb, TE or RB. 

Good point with Freiermuth. He’s a perfect compliment to a knox as he’s bigger with more potential as a run blocker.  I’d love to get 2TE sets involved.  Considering our OL as a collective run blocking unit, 2TE sets might be what we need to unlock our run game. 

He’s not my guy though.  I prefer Jordan (and tremble) based on being able to spend a later pick to get him.  I feel Jordan’s run after the catch ability could be a huge asset for us and he’s no slouch as a blocker.    He’s a potential big play guy.  Something we need.  
 

I haven’t looked into that many tight ends.  Mostly just the top 5-6.  What 5-7th rd TEs do you guys like?

[glazeduck]

16 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Good point with Freiermuth. He’s a perfect compliment to a knox as he’s bigger with more potential as a run blocker.  I’d love to get 2TE sets involved.  Considering our OL as a collective run blocking unit, 2TE sets might be what we need to unlock our run game. 

He’s not my guy though.  I prefer Jordan (and tremble) based on being able to spend a later pick to get him.  I feel Jordan’s run after the catch ability could be a huge asset for us and he’s no slouch as a blocker.    He’s a potential big play guy.  Something we need.  
 

I haven’t looked into that many tight ends.  Mostly just the top 5-6.  What 5-7th rd TEs do you guys like?

Freirmuth was more just a devil’s advocate argument, I’m not a fan of taking him in the first. I like Jordan quite a bit too, but think folks are setting themselves up for disappointment with Tremble if those two are drafted in the same area. 
 

Honestly I hate this TE class. Pitts is obviously incredible, but other than him I think PF and Jordan are the only other non-JAGs in the draft. If we miss on those 3 I’d just assume address other spots and sign jake butt, Jesse James or a TE that gets cut. 

[Patience]

Shelvin by a mile. 

[PrimeTime101]

13 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Trade up for pitts like falcons did for Julio 

Pitts wont make it past the 6th draft pick.

[hjnick]

If Farley drops, I'd like to pick him up.

 

A BIG fatty at the 1 Tech to replace star after this year.

 

Chubba Hubbard at RB in later rounds.  The dude can fly.  Need to add a new RB stud to the corral every year.

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, hjnick said:

If Farley drops, I'd like to pick him up.

 

A BIG fatty at the 1 Tech to replace star after this year.

 

Chubba Hubbard at RB in later rounds.  The dude can fly.  Need to add a new RB stud to the corral every year.

Hubbard is from Canada. I always liked him but didn’t think he had a great year. Does he play as fast as the 4.36 that he ran?

[Rochesterfan]

16 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I totally agree BUT for one moment let's look at the opposite of what you said for the sake of discussion.

What positions drafted at #30 would have the highest chance of cracking the starter list?

 

I don't know if Beane is thinking that way but if he was my list is pretty short.

#2 CB

#1 RB

#1 TE

Top 2 rotational Pass Rushing DE

 

That is how I see it and it wouldn't surprise me at all if one of those 4 positions are selected at #30.

 

 

I hear this - my only issue is that at every position except CB - previous picks start the season as back-up.

 

White at CB was the only true rookie to start and even he started out limited.

Both Singletary and Moss started out as back-ups until about half way through the season - even though both were clearly better.

Knox didn’t see a ton of playing time even with the injuries at the position and Sweeney started rotating in late his rookie year.

AJ basically got starting juice about 1/2 way into the season.

 

I believe McD looks at the analytics and sees most rookies hit a wall at 8-10 games - so he starts them out slow - sometimes very slow - to ensure they are in shape and ready to go.  He also wants to ensure they are mentally prepared to do the job - so it does not create holes that impact the team.

 

I will also say - other than RB - most positions take a significant amount of time to transition to the NFL.  DE (EDGE) and TE most notably.  I wouldn’t expect any TE drafted this year to have much impact - including a guy like Pitts.  Rarely does a TE transition and put up quality numbers as a rookie.

 

So if I look at it from your perspective- what position has the highest % chance to start - only CB has shown that as an option.  On the other hand - if you ask what position could have an impact in year one and beyond - then the list expands to DE, TE, WR, LB, and DB.

 

The one position that to me has the least chance of having a significant impact both in year one and over time is RB because it is a 4 year position - you typically do not want to use a 5th year option or re-sign, the average over replacement is typically not a huge gain, and finally - even with a relatively easy transition - pass blocking is an issue and McD seems to start increasing playing time around week 6 for these guys - so you lose 1/2 of season 1 and then you are down to 3 season left.  
 

Get a RB later - chew them up and spit them out.

[Max Fischer]

18 hours ago, Georgie said:

BEASLEY will be in the slot. Ridiculous to draft a WR at 30 with the depth they have. Who sits? Sanders? Davis? McKenzie? Any player drafted at 30 must be an immediate contributor. 

Other than QB, WR depth is a Bills Achilles Heal. If any of the top-4 go down, the offensive doesn’t function near as well without an elite corps. I like McKenzie but the Bills could use a season long upgrade like Moore ( who would then take over for Sanders and/or Beasley next year. 

[CNYfan]

I don't know who it is, but a 0/1 that turns out good is my hope.

[ALLEN1QB]

We have been signing a lot of players do we have a lot of roster spots left for draft picks? I may be wrong but I think the Bills may bundle some picks to move up to get a guy they really like

D-line is my guess.

[Blokestradamus]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Hubbard is from Canada. I always liked him but didn’t think he had a great year. Does he play as fast as the 4.36 that he ran?

 

I think Hubbard's ankle was bad all season before he finally stopped playing on it. He didn't have a great 2020 but it looked like he could barely cut on that ankle all year. I didn't think he was a 4.36 guy but he's no slouch. Ran for Canada in the final of the World Youth Games in the 100m.

[Rochesterfan]

15 hours ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

To what extent are the Bills planning on building around Josh Allen? Because if they are truly, 100% committed to building around him, you want to do as much to set him up for success as the Chiefs have done for Patrick Mahomes. Ideally, you want to surround him with young WRs that can remain with the team for the vast bulk of his career.

 

 

Although I don’t disagree with the sentiment- the initial statement above is 100% false.  The KC offense was built for Alex Smith.  They had been acquiring talent for that offense for years before Mahomes was drafted. Including Kelce and Hill that were both drafted before Mahomes.  Their drafts have been almost 100% Defense and back-up late OL. 

 

Since Mahomes was drafted - they have drafted 1 WR in Hardman in Rd2 that has not been able to get into a starting role - even with a ton of injuries to WRs and an average RB in round 1 last year.  That is the extent of their investment in Mahomes and skilled offensive players.

 

The Bills have already done more for Josh Allen with 2 WRs drafted last year, 2 TEs drafted, 2 RBs drafted, and acquiring Diggs, Beasley, Sanders, and McKittrick (LOL) all since Josh was drafted.

 

The Bills are trying to build a team with some levels of experience: They have some crafty veterans on shorter deals that can get replaced, they have the solid #1 in his prime, and they have 3 young players that can grow to fill roles.  The TEs have a few young guys and a veteran, but all are younger and can grow.  The RB room has 2 young 3rd round picks and a more veteran presence.

 

I love the Bills approach to building around Allen and as far as I can tell it is significantly better than the job KC has done.  KC just started from a better place with Mahomes because they have been an offense first team since Reid took over and where building the offense around a QB for 5 years before Mahomes was drafted.  The Bills on the other hand had a total blank slate on offense because they have not had a QB in 10 years.

[Iverwig]

Just being biased I want the Bills to draft me. With no bias I want Etienne, Phillips or Ojulari in that order. 

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Max Fischer said:

Other than QB, WR depth is a Bills Achilles Heal. If any of the top-4 go down, the offensive doesn’t function near as well without an elite corps. I like McKenzie but the Bills could use a season long upgrade like Moore ( who would then take over for Sanders and/or Beasley next year. 

 

This is a totally ridiculous comment.  The Bills are running right now with 5 WRs that have starting talent (Diggs, Davis, Beasley, Sanders, and McKenzie) and they have multiple young players on the roster like Hodgkins, Kumerow, and Gentry all before the draft - two guys that have started in the NFL and a redshirt rookie.

 

If Moore is available and the best player - great draft him, but WR depth is not an issue - if any of the top 4 go down - they have multiple players that have already been a NFL WR ready to step in.  I love their WR room right now and if they can add even more great, but I am not of the mindset that depth here is an Achilles Heel.  Heck last season they were winning playoff games and the starting 4 guys were all injured and they have more depth now.

[YoloinOhio]

36 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

I think Hubbard's ankle was bad all season before he finally stopped playing on it. He didn't have a great 2020 but it looked like he could barely cut on that ankle all year. I didn't think he was a 4.36 guy but he's no slouch. Ran for Canada in the final of the World Youth Games in the 100m.

I really like him if his ankle checks out

[mabden]

21 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I get that Sanders and Bease aren't youngsters anymore.  But QB and WR are - by far I think - the two most talented position groups on the team right now.  

 

If Moore is as good as you think he is, drafting him at #30 still makes sense.  

 

But the Bills have a number of needs.  It would be interesting - to say the least - if Beane decided not to address one of them in the first round.  

 

It's called keeping the pipeline fresh/full.  Beane has addressed a lot of the team needs in FA, positioning the team to pick BPA.  Moore seems to fit that bill at pick 30.

[OldTimer1960]

2 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

This is a totally ridiculous comment.  The Bills are running right now with 5 WRs that have starting talent (Diggs, Davis, Beasley, Sanders, and McKenzie) and they have multiple young players on the roster like Hodgkins, Kumerow, and Gentry all before the draft - two guys that have started in the NFL and a redshirt rookie.

 

If Moore is available and the best player - great draft him, but WR depth is not an issue - if any of the top 4 go down - they have multiple players that have already been a NFL WR ready to step in.  I love their WR room right now and if they can add even more great, but I am not of the mindset that depth here is an Achilles Heel.  Heck last season they were winning playoff games and the starting 4 guys were all injured and they have more depth now.

I think it is stretching things quite a bit to say that McKenzie is starting caliber.  I *hope* that Hodgkins can be a contributor, but he was a late pick for a reason.  His redshirt year last year didn't make him faster or more sudden (the reasons he was drafted late).  Other two listed are camp bodies with possibility to make the team, but not guys who should deter a team from drafting a WR.

2 hours ago, Iverwig said:

Just being biased I want the Bills to draft me. With no bias I want Etienne, Phillips or Ojulari in that order. 

Where would Ojulari play?  I like that he can rush the passer, but are you going to play him at LB in the Bills' D or can he hold up at DE being 240lbs?

[TheBeaneBandit]

5 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I think it is stretching things quite a bit to say that McKenzie is starting caliber.  I *hope* that Hodgkins can be a contributor, but he was a late pick for a reason.  His redshirt year last year didn't make him faster or more sudden (the reasons he was drafted late).  Other two listed are camp bodies with possibility to make the team, but not guys who should deter a team from drafting a WR.

Where would Ojulari play?  I like that he can rush the passer, but are you going to play him at LB in the Bills' D or can he hold up at DE being 240lbs?

He could play DE 30% of the downs as a pass rusher year one until he adds 15 pounds of muscle for his second year with an increased snap count. But make no mistake he's a DE on this team.

Edited April 5, 2021 by TheBeaneBandit

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I honestly didn't watch as much college football this year so i don't have an opinion.  

 

Players I've remembered wanting before?

 

Russell Wilson in the trade up for Graham - I was so sure that's what we were doing.... just an absolute failure.

Dez Bryant the year we drafted Spiller.  

Allen over Rosen.

 

There were bad ones too though

Treadwell in 2016

Geno and Te'o in 2013

Maybin in 2009

Quinn in 2007

Leinart in 2006 

 

[JustWinPlease]

Jaelan Phillips.

Just get a pass-rusher.

[YoloinOhio]

32 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I think it is stretching things quite a bit to say that McKenzie is starting caliber.  I *hope* that Hodgkins can be a contributor, but he was a late pick for a reason.  His redshirt year last year didn't make him faster or more sudden (the reasons he was drafted late).  Other two listed are camp bodies with possibility to make the team, but not guys who should deter a team from drafting a WR.

Where would Ojulari play?  I like that he can rush the passer, but are you going to play him at LB in the Bills' D or can he hold up at DE being 240lbs?

He’s a DE for sure

[Max Fischer]

3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

This is a totally ridiculous comment.  The Bills are running right now with 5 WRs that have starting talent (Diggs, Davis, Beasley, Sanders, and McKenzie) and they have multiple young players on the roster like Hodgkins, Kumerow, and Gentry all before the draft - two guys that have started in the NFL and a redshirt rookie.

 

If Moore is available and the best player - great draft him, but WR depth is not an issue - if any of the top 4 go down - they have multiple players that have already been a NFL WR ready to step in.  I love their WR room right now and if they can add even more great, but I am not of the mindset that depth here is an Achilles Heel.  Heck last season they were winning playoff games and the starting 4 guys were all injured and they have more depth now.

 

We can all agree that this team wins due its passing game. We can also agree that nagging injuries to Diggs, Beasely and Brown meant they struggled to beat the Chiefs secondary. Injuries happen and if this team is going to win the Super Bowl it should have a great deal of depth at WR. Sanders is 34, Beasely has had a few nagging injuries, I like McKenzie but he's not a starter; and neither are Hodgkins, Kumerow and Gentry. 

[OldTimer1960]

35 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s a DE for sure

Can he hold up there?  I understand that it is rare to find Reggie White types who are great pass rushers and great run stoppers, but I would worry that Ojulari will be destroyed in the run game or, if he bulks up will he lose his speed and rush effectiveness?

 

I am not saying that I would be disappointed if they took Ojulari, only that he doesn't seem to fit the Bills' defense that well - at least at present.  If he can put on 10 pounds of muscle without losing speed/quickness - well, he would still be quite small for a 4-3 DE.  

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, Max Fischer said:

 

We can all agree that this team wins due its passing game. We can also agree that nagging injuries to Diggs, Beasely and Brown meant they struggled to beat the Chiefs secondary. Injuries happen and if this team is going to win the Super Bowl it should have a great deal of depth at WR. Sanders is 34, Beasely has had a few nagging injuries, I like McKenzie but he's not a starter; and neither are Hodgkins, Kumerow and Gentry. 

 

I'm open to drafting a replacement/upgrade to mckenzie as a returner/gadget player.  But he played 25% of offensive snaps, and that was with essentially a start in week 17. 

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I really like him if his ankle checks out

Especially if there’s a chance of him lasting into rd 5.  Trade up and snag him.  He can take it to the house. Dunno how I’d feel if he were our 3rd rd pick though.  I don’t like him nearly as much as Gainwell.

[Max Fischer]

1 minute ago, dneveu said:

 

I'm open to drafting a replacement/upgrade to mckenzie as a returner/gadget player.  But he played 25% of offensive snaps, and that was with essentially a start in week 17. 

 

Again, McKenzie is best person on the roster for the role he's asked to perform. I think he does it well, but there's a reason he's not a starter on another team. I appreciate McKenzie's comments that wanted to stay in Buffalo but if he was offered a starting slot receiver money he'd be gone.  Moreover, McKenzie did well in Week 17 when the starters sat (or out with injuries), but if he's no where near a healthy Sanders, Beasley or even Davis. 

[blacklabel]

If there were any real way to move up and take Kyle Pitts, that'd be awesome. But they don't have the ammo to get up in the top ten where he's gonna go. 

 

Other than that I'm not real attached to any one prospect. I think if there's a dynamic offensive player hanging around at 30 then that could be the pick. It's more of a gamble this year than usual because of the opt outs. 

[Billl]

On 4/4/2021 at 11:01 AM, NewEra said:

I was banging the table for Antonio Gibson last year. He was my ONE guy.

Same.  This year, it’s Quinn Meinerz.  Both of those guys just made it look unfair.  Whenever I see a guy like that, I’m all in.  There’s always a chance it’s the Kimbo Slice effect and they’re just beating up on inferior competition, but either way I’m here for it.

[glazeduck]

18 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Can he hold up there?  I understand that it is rare to find Reggie White types who are great pass rushers and great run stoppers, but I would worry that Ojulari will be destroyed in the run game or, if he bulks up will he lose his speed and rush effectiveness?

 

I am not saying that I would be disappointed if they took Ojulari, only that he doesn't seem to fit the Bills' defense that well - at least at present.  If he can put on 10 pounds of muscle without losing speed/quickness - well, he would still be quite small for a 4-3 DE.  

 

To me you're taking Ojulari as a PURE pass-rush specialist this year and slowly grooming him to take over for Hughes. A future Ojulari in the 255/260 range could probably at least not be a liability in the run game, and you're hoping that his pass rushing ability -- in a league that's going increasingly pass heavy, gives you a healthy ROI.

 

I don't think he's a great fit in an even front, much better standing up in a 3-4 type defense, but that's the logic that you could take with it...

[Billl]

21 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Can he hold up there?  I understand that it is rare to find Reggie White types who are great pass rushers and great run stoppers, but I would worry that Ojulari will be destroyed in the run game or, if he bulks up will he lose his speed and rush effectiveness?

 

I am not saying that I would be disappointed if they took Ojulari, only that he doesn't seem to fit the Bills' defense that well - at least at present.  If he can put on 10 pounds of muscle without losing speed/quickness - well, he would still be quite small for a 4-3 DE.  

 

He sounds pretty similar to Epenesa in that regard.  Is there a need for another similar type player? 

[hjnick]

22 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Especially if there’s a chance of him lasting into rd 5.  Trade up and snag him.  He can take it to the house. Dunno how I’d feel if he were our 3rd rd pick though.  I don’t like him nearly as much as Gainwell.

I agree, the 3rd is too early for Hubbard. I think we will have to trade back into the 4th round to get him. I think the first 3 picks can be used for better positions than RB.

I doubt he would last into the 5th round... but you never know w/ RBs they slip down the board sometimes.

 

[ndirish1978]

22 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

No thank you - his brother was a similar athlete and never panned out.  Additionally, Syracuse was a pretty weak D for having draftable players at CB and S - I think those players might be over-hyped.

 

The Gronkowski and Watt families would like a word with you about turning your nose down at one brother just because their sibling wasn't good. I note that none of your criticism has to do with the actual player, just opinions about familial ties and what you think of the program he played for.

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Can he hold up there?  I understand that it is rare to find Reggie White types who are great pass rushers and great run stoppers, but I would worry that Ojulari will be destroyed in the run game or, if he bulks up will he lose his speed and rush effectiveness?

 

I am not saying that I would be disappointed if they took Ojulari, only that he doesn't seem to fit the Bills' defense that well - at least at present.  If he can put on 10 pounds of muscle without losing speed/quickness - well, he would still be quite small for a 4-3 DE.  

 

He’s very good vs the run. He could add 10-15 pounds (he’s only a RS Soph), but if Jerry Hughes can play in this defense then so can he. He doesn’t need to be a day starter, he will have time to develop in the S&C program