Texans' Deshaun Watson accused of indecent conduct in civil lawsuit; QB denies wrongdoing

[machine gun kelly]

You guys have been busy on this thread.  I’ll say what I said in the beginning of this news.  No one knows and it’s just a matter of waiting it out.  He could’ve done it.  Some women could be piling on to get a payday.  The original complaintent could be changing her story from consensual sex to rape.  Everyone of them could’ve been forced into sex.  As far as a criminal case, what if they didn’t report quickly enough so there is no rape kit with forensic evidence.  
 

My point is there are too many variables to know.  I’m not calling her(s) liars, nor am I saying the lawyer is a cheat and a liar. I’m also not saying Watson is innocent nor guilty.  Nothing I’ve read so far from you guys infers anything.  The civil suits could also be placing pressure on the police to investigate.  I don’t know and none of you do either.  
 

Im going to sit back, watch, and hopefully the truth comes out.  One of the worst outcomes would be if he did something wrong, gets pressured to settle, she or they get paid, and have a gag order and no real consequences occur.  That would be awful.  I’ve been in business for a long time, but was clinically trained in the 90’s as a psychotherapist.  I’ve had far too many women divulge highly inappropriate behavior, and in my personal life found out about far too many women who were taken advantage of by a man.  It sickens me as it should you especially seeing as all of you have either a mom, daughter, sister, etc.  The pain and damage that causes on healthy relationships, the women that became obese because they wanted to be unattractive to men, promiscuous, starved themselves, cut themself and I can go on.

 

Even if something was mutual, and then she gets cold feet, it’s a hard stop.  The flip side is one or more women could be goldiggers and looking for a payday.  I’ll wait til there is a real conclusion to comment.

 

The opportunity for a trade though is on hold.  This thing is a mess.

Edited March 20, 2021 by machine gun kelly

[stuvian]

2 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

I don’t think that’s it but could you imagine? I mean if you were right it’d be a bone-shattering scandal for the NFL.

 

i don’t think that’s the case tho. Watson may not be as squeaky clean as we thought. 

you're probably right. It's the timing I find suspicious

[Chandler#81]

Jesus H! What a bunch of woosies! Grow a GD pair people! You aren’t fooling anyone with all this ‘I don’t really know/maybe it’s the lawyer/cold feet/ yadda yaada disclaimer BS. The guy is a cretin and you all know it. NFL QBs DON’T get massages from tickling tiny Asian women in the privacy of their store-front shop for the beating their occupation delivers. Their masseuse is a muscle-bound monster of a team employee named Brutus and it’s applied in full view of 70 some-odd team personnel. He drops elbow bombs on shoulder blades, ‘Joe Frazier punch’s’ to ribs and shoulders and ‘Chuck Norris karate chops’ to the back and legs. Meek little Asian slaves in their “private bidniz” are reserved for maggots like Robert Kraft and -well.. me!

 

Y'all sound like OJ is innocent because he was found not guilty -even though most of you graduated clear through the 6th Grade and know better!🤦‍♂️

 

His career may be saved because of the ‘trade’ many of these ladies are forced into -ala Kraft, but I’m guessing we’ve seen the last of D. Watson on a pro football field.

 

Heres my disclaimer; I only half believe my theory.. 

[YoloinOhio]

12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

“Cal or Hal or whatever his name is”

 

Sounds legit 🙄

What if someone lived on the same  street as the Pegulas residence in Buffalo and said  “Terry or Gary or whatever his name is” 😆

[CaliBills]

I wonder  if the Houston owner knew of this stuff and kept it hush hush as long as he was playing for Houston.

 

And now that he wants out, Mr. owner is like, "Nah, you aren't going to play anywhere"

 

I know its mafia stuff, but just thought about it.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

These are serious allegations but I do feel compelled to admit that I too felt personally violated by Deshaun Watson. I was watching him play Ohio state this one time on dec 31 2016 and still haven’t quite overcome the terrifying experience. 

[Chandler#81]

@YoloinOhio

 

[Albany,n.y.]

47 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

I wonder  if the Houston owner knew of this stuff and kept it hush hush as long as he was playing for Houston.

 

And now that he wants out, Mr. owner is like, "Nah, you aren't going to play anywhere"

 

I know its mafia stuff, but just thought about it.

 

 

A more likely scenario if the owner knew would be to hope he could trade Watson before anyone else knew.  He could posture that they weren't going to trade him to up his trade value & breathe a huge sigh of relief once the deal was final.  

 

The last thing Houston's ownership wanted was for this to come out while he was still with the Texans because now he might be suspended or worse, his career may be over if he's criminally prosecuted & convicted.  

 

From strictly a biased Bills fan perspective, it's too bad the Dolphins or Jets didn't trade a lot to get him and then have this come out right after the beginning of the season when it would be too late to rescind the trade.  

[YoloinOhio]

49 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

@YoloinOhio

 

It took therapy. I was doing ok until 3 years and 5 days later...

[whatdrought]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

These are serious allegations but I do feel compelled to admit that I too felt personally violated by Deshaun Watson. I was watching him play Ohio state this one time on dec 31 2016 and still haven’t quite overcome the terrifying experience. 

 

I know that feeling from a certain Saturday in January...

[Stads]

I heard that the total was up to 22 women making accusations. To make sure all of their allegations are heard, you need to look at the All-22

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, CaliBills said:

I wonder  if the Houston owner knew of this stuff and kept it hush hush as long as he was playing for Houston.

 

And now that he wants out, Mr. owner is like, "Nah, you aren't going to play anywhere"

 

I know its mafia stuff, but just thought about it.

 

 

wouldnt he wait til 5 minutes after the trade, not right before?

[YoloinOhio]

 

[whatdrought]

The harder PFT punches the "he guilty" button, the more inherently I will assume he is innocent... Not at because of the case involved, but because PFT has never been on the right side of anything... 

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

The harder PFT punches the "he guilty" button, the more inherently I will assume he is innocent... Not at because of the case involved, but because PFT has never been on the right side of anything... 

I think they’ve taken both sides so far. Florio wasn’t impressed with the texts released so far at all 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

ESPN article

 

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In Friday's news conference, Buzbee said one of the women said Watson was referred to her by a Texans athletic trainer, while another woman said Watson was referred to her by Quincy Avery, Watson's personal quarterback coach and athletic trainer.

 

I guess that doesn't stop the next contact from being by Insta DM?

 

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The seven lawsuits filed so far depict a pattern of sexual assault against massage therapists in the Houston area. One woman alleges she was forced into oral sex during the course of the massage. Six of the lawsuits allege these were one-time encounters with Watson, but one woman alleges she was sexually assaulted by Watson on multiple occasions. That lawsuit says the first massage was booked through the spa where the licensed aesthetician worked. The six other lawsuits allege Watson first inquired about the massage through Instagram direct messages.

Three of the four lawsuits filed Thursday night accuse him of inappropriate contact; the fourth said he forcibly tried to kiss a woman.

"Watson's behavior is part of a disturbing pattern of preying on vulnerable women," the fourth lawsuit reads.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think they’ve taken both sides so far. Florio wasn’t impressed with the texts released so far at all 

 

From the parts I heard, I thought Florio did a really nice job of staying neutral but also staying factual such as pointing out that the lawyer was recruiting plaintiffs in his first Insta post and also that asking to have attention to the glutes isn't exactly a red flag for an athlete, since you know, they get sore there.

 

I will say this.  From what little I know, mostly following athletes on Insta and a bit of contact with former athletes at parties and such, they tend to have "their guys" (or gals) who provide regular services.  Hunting down services and making arrangements consumes scarce time.  So they tend to find barbers and chefs and trainers and PTs and massage therapists they like, and then stick with them - going so far as to fly them in for haircuts if they change teams.  It's actually like most people do, but more so since most of us are more like $23 for a haircut (not $213 or $2113 plus a plane ticket and a taxi from the airport).

 

There was an article about Cog when he was in Buffalo, he had a woman come to his apartment regularly on Tuesday to give him a massage.  Now Cog was a known Pig with women, but I'd bet money he treated that woman with the utmost respect 100% of the time, because he wanted her continued services.

 

So to me, it's kinda weird that apparently Watson set up massages with so many different massage therapists.  Either he was extraordinarily picky and just couldn't find the right therapist, or they were each "One and Done" with doing business with him, which doesn't usually happen when there's nothing "off" taking place.

[Doc]

7 hours ago, stuvian said:

This just has a Jack Easterby feel to it

There's nothing to be gained by him for doing this.  It reduces the trade market and compensation for him and opens up an investigation that could get him suspended if they keep him.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

You guys have been busy on this thread.  I’ll say what I said in the beginning of this news.  No one knows and it’s just a matter of waiting it out.  He could’ve done it.  Some women could be piling on to get a payday.  The original complaintent could be changing her story from consensual sex to rape.  Everyone of them could’ve been forced into sex.  As far as a criminal case, what if they didn’t report quickly enough so there is no rape kit with forensic evidence. 

 

Actually she couldn't because neither rape nor consensual sex are part of the original lawsuit as far as has been released.  It's "indecent conduct", which I had no idea was something one could complain about 🤷‍♂️

 

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/deshaun-watson-lawsuit-details/285-42abe4a4-44a9-4acc-b84b-1f18579dff15

 

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Jane Doe #1  The first lawsuit accuses Watson of civil assault during a massage at her home last March.

According to the lawsuit, Watson repeatedly asked the woman to focus on his groin area. She said he “purposely” exposed himself and “purposely” touched her with his penis.  The woman says she abruptly ended the massage [edit: and asked him to leave - he left] and Watson later apologized.

 

I could actually see this being consistent with Watson's claim that he's always treated women with respect (in his world view, he non-verbally tried to initiate sexual behavior, the woman non-verbally declined, he tried again, the woman said "massage is over, get dressed and leave", he got dressed and left. 

 

I can also see where a professional massage therapist would have a different viewpoint about it, but also why she wouldn't consider it a criminal matter or go to police.  More like "the guy is a jerk, don't book him again, tell my friends"

 

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Jane Doe #2.  The woman is a massage therapist in Atlanta who said Watson contacted her on Instagram last August and agreed to pay for her flight to Houston.  They met at the Houstonian Hotel where he had a suite. The lawsuit alleges Watson refused to cover his genital area with a towel, repeatedly encouraged her to massage there and in other inappropriate areas and touched her with his penis

She said Watson only paid half of what she was owed and later contacted her about getting a massage in Atlanta, but she didn’t respond

 

I'm unclear on Texas legal definitions but the third lawsuit is the one that alleges forced sex (so far):

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Jane Doe #3 The third lawsuit filed alleges sexual assault during a massage at a Houston office building in December 2020.

The woman accused Watson of asking her to massage his genitals, then forcing her to perform oral sex.

The woman said she blacked out from fear and now suffers from panic attacks, anxiety and depression.

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

39 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I could actually see this being consistent with Watson's claim that he's always treated women with respect (in his world view, he non-verbally tried to initiate sexual behavior, the woman non-verbally declined, he tried again, the woman said "massage is over, get dressed and leave", he got dressed and left. 

 

I can also see where a professional massage therapist would have a different viewpoint about it, but also why she wouldn't consider it a criminal matter or go to police.  More like "the guy is a jerk, don't book him again, tell my friends"

 

 

Agreed. For someone who has never had a message by a legitimate licensed therapist or otherwise, the entire industry is confusing to me. The news, and our culture make it seem as if these happy ending type message parlors are somewhat common and can be found in every city. I can see where Watson thought he was just acting as a normal customer and at the same time the masseuse may have thought this isn't over the top behavior by Watson, or even behavior she hadn't encountered before but at the same time was not at all comfortable and made Watson aware.

 

If these more sexual message parlors are common in our society I would think quite a few men have gone into one thinking their behavior would be understood only to be quickly reprimanded by the masseuse as the man realizes he is not in one of those parlors.

 

If anything, this Watson story and the news in Georgia area really just shining light on this industry. One that I am completely naïve about.

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Agreed. For someone who has never had a message by a legitimate licensed therapist or otherwise, the entire industry is confusing to me. The news, and our culture make it seem as if these happy ending type message parlors are somewhat common and can be found in every city. I can see where Watson thought he was just acting as a normal customer and at the same time the masseuse may have thought this isn't over the top behavior by Watson, or even behavior she hadn't encountered before but at the same time was not at all comfortable and made Watson aware.

 

If these more sexual message parlors are common in our society I would think quite a few men have gone into one thinking their behavior would be understood only to be quickly reprimanded by the masseuse as the man realizes he is not in one of those parlors.

 

If anything, this Watson story and the news in Georgia area really just shining light on this industry. One that I am completely naïve about.

 

You must have missed the long discussion about this when Bobby had his handie at Orchids of Asia a couple years ago.

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You must have missed the long discussion about this when Bobby had his handie at Orchids of Asia a couple years ago.

 

 

Yeah I didn't really care to dive into that discussion. But again, just more evidence of how wide spread and mainstream those type of parlors seem to be. Really makes me believe Watson more than likely did behave inappropriately but at the same time no way was it any of these women's first encounter with that kind of behavior and they probably were not sure if it was something they should just pretend never happened or file a suit. So that is probably why suits were not filed until now.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

27 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Agreed. For someone who has never had a message by a legitimate licensed therapist or otherwise, the entire industry is confusing to me. The news, and our culture make it seem as if these happy ending type message parlors are somewhat common and can be found in every city. I can see where Watson thought he was just acting as a normal customer and at the same time the masseuse may have thought this isn't over the top behavior by Watson, or even behavior she hadn't encountered before but at the same time was not at all comfortable and made Watson aware.

 

If these more sexual message parlors are common in our society I would think quite a few men have gone into one thinking their behavior would be understood only to be quickly reprimanded by the masseuse as the man realizes he is not in one of those parlors.

 

If anything, this Watson story and the news in Georgia area really just shining light on this industry. One that I am completely naïve about.

 

I know there are "Happy Ending"-type massage parlors in every town, but first lawsuits at least doesn't sound like people who are part of that type of massage parlor. 

 

There are also a lot of fancy spas who give massages as part of their services, and massage businesses which are 100% about a massage, nothing else.  They aren't sleazy, they don't employ women whose immigration status is in question.  Their employees are women and men, and their clients are women and men.   I have had regular massages at this type of spa or massage business.  In fact, I'm sitting on a gift certificate for one that went out of business this past year 😥.  I have specifically asked for extra attention to specific glute areas as I have a problem with piriformis syndrome, and deep massage/heat to those specific areas help.  I ask for extra time in the room after the massage so that I can stretch afterwards.

 

I also know people whose friends or relatives work in these businesses.  They would object strongly to being called a "masseuse" - they are "massage therapists".   Most are licensed or credentialed in one way or another to show that they've been trained and know their stuff.   It is NOT "normal customer" behavior to initiate sexual behavior or to expose the genitals.

 

That's not to say that it doesn't happen, either by accident or intent, with consent or without, but it's not "normal customer behavior" with a massage therapist/licensed aesthetician, either. 

 

But as far as the behavior described in the first lawsuit, I think most female massage therapists have probably encountered it because of the confusion between "rub and tug" "happy ending" type parlors and spa-type massage businesses, and the first time, to re-cover the sausage, the second to say "I'm ending the massage now, please leave" is as far as it would usually go.

 

 

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Yeah I didn't really care to dive into that discussion. But again, just more evidence of how wide spread and mainstream those type of parlors seem to be. Really makes me believe Watson more than likely did behave inappropriately but at the same time no way was it any of these women's first encounter with that kind of behavior and they probably were not sure if it was something they should just pretend never happened or file a suit. So that is probably why suits were not filed until now.

 

That some massage parlors are sex dens has been common knowledge for decades.  What was more elucidated in Bobby's case was the forced (immigrant) sex labor aspect of it.

 

As for Watson, if he merely asked for a handie, I can't see a case for anything.  You either do it or you don't.  If they didn't and claim he offered to pay more, it's his word against theirs.  If they did it with or without being paid, they're nailed for prostitution. 

[Punching Bag]

51 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Agreed. For someone who has never had a message by a legitimate licensed therapist or otherwise, the entire industry is confusing to me. The news, and our culture make it seem as if these happy ending type message parlors are somewhat common and can be found in every city. I can see where Watson thought he was just acting as a normal customer and at the same time the masseuse may have thought this isn't over the top behavior by Watson, or even behavior she hadn't encountered before but at the same time was not at all comfortable and made Watson aware.

 

If these more sexual message parlors are common in our society I would think quite a few men have gone into one thinking their behavior would be understood only to be quickly reprimanded by the masseuse as the man realizes he is not in one of those parlors.

 

If anything, this Watson story and the news in Georgia area really just shining light on this industry. One that I am completely naïve about.

 

 

Issue for many places according to reports is they advertise one thing very often using false images obtained from internet sites overseas, get your money and then provide different employees and are "hard" sales for upgrades.   When R👁️‍🗨️bert of New England got in trouble I did a deep search of sites and found a number of ads with mid 20s Asian women models for "Orchids of Asia" but all of those taken in by police were much, much older women and not models.   Others without these upgrades are advertising similarly at similar prices so customers expect same services are available.  Newspapers used have a lot of these type ads in sports section.

 

If you look in yelp you can see lots of confusion from customers offered extra services like happy endings and not expecting and customers rating places very poorly for employees not match expectations from ads.

[Nitro]

Texans are rebuilding while ignoring his request for a trade.  Bad timing.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

That some massage parlors are sex dens has been common knowledge for decades.  What was more elucidated in Bobby's case was the forced (immigrant) sex labor aspect of it.

 

As for Watson, if he merely asked for a handie, I can't see a case for anything.  You either do it or you don't.  If they didn't and claim he offered to pay more, it's his word against theirs.  If they did it with or without being paid, they're nailed for prostitution. 

 

You know, it’s always helpful before opining to actually, IDK, read some of the stuff on the case?  There’s nothing in the lawsuits about asking.  That doesn’t mean what’s in the lawsuits happened, it just means your comments are irrelevant to what has been alleged.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

 

Issue for many places according to reports is they advertise one thing very often using false images obtained from internet sites overseas, get your money and then provide different employees and are "hard" sales for upgrades.   When R👁️‍🗨️bert of New England got in trouble I did a deep search of sites and found a number of ads with mid 20s Asian women models for "Orchids of Asia" but all of those taken in by police were much, much older women and not models.   Others without these upgrades are advertising similarly at similar prices so customers expect same services are available.  Newspapers used have a lot of these type ads in sports section.

 

If you look in yelp you can see lots of confusion from customers offered extra services like happy endings and not expecting and customers rating places very poorly for employees not match expectations from ads.

 

Just a note once again, that the lawsuits are not about businesses such as “Orchids of Asia” or the women who work there.  

 

They’re about massage therapists recommended by Texans personnel in 2 cases, someone Watson flew in from another city, a massage therapist who agreed to give him a massage in her home, another in an office building.  One is a licensed aesthetician, meaning someone who likely works in a spa business that provides other esthetic services like facials, waxing or sugaring and so forth.  These are not normally places where “happy endings” are offered or expected.

 

You may just be commenting in general but thought it was worth clarifying.

[Behindenemylines]

Here in NE, they did a survey and 60% stated they wanted DW as the starting QB of the Patriots and would just ignore all of this until its resolved.  That to me speaks volumes about this fan base, considering the S-storm their owner was in not too long ago. Cant see them going all in on this, considering that though.  Ill stand by what I said before, 2 or 3 possibly can be in on a scam to defraud, but we are approaching 22 now with more possibly.  This isnt possible to be a full scam with those numbers, so there has to be a kernel of truth in all of this.  

 

Additionally, people keep saying he was squeaky clean, so this is must be made up.  Look no further than Tiger, who was a model citizen until he was boozing, popping pills, and bangin tatted up  wanna be porn stars.  He got caught by mistake and it all came out fast.  There are dozens others with the same MO. You have to fully investigate the complaint before using past history to determine future actions.  

 

Edited March 20, 2021 by Hapless Bills Fan
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[ColoradoBills]

9 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

The opportunity for a trade though is on hold.  This thing is a mess.

 

Leaving the whole legal thing out of it and just looking at the Texans perspective the only thing I can see is that the Texans

if they indeed want to trade Watson would want to do it after June 1st.

 

It frees up $10M this year instead of adding an extra $5M along with his current Cap Hit this year.

A team trading for him would only have a $10M hit this year and just about anyone could get that.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/deshaun-watson-21753/

 

It would mean that Houston goes with TT at QB and has to wait until next year for their picks which is risky.

It all would essentially mean that Houston wastes this year but that team has done a lot of goofy things in the past.

 

I just don't get this whole thing myself.

 

[Punching Bag]

There was talk about protest of fans going from Texans Quarterback Deshaun Watson's Lefty’s Famous Cheesesteaks restaurant to Texans stadium if Watson did not get promised input.

 

I wonder if there will be protest around his restaurant(s) regarding his activities. 

Different social groups protest different ways. 

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Leaving the whole legal thing out of it and just looking at the Texans perspective the only thing I can see is that the Texans

if they indeed want to trade Watson would want to do it after June 1st.

 

It frees up $10M this year instead of adding an extra $5M along with his current Cap Hit this year.

A team trading for him would only have a $10M hit this year and just about anyone could get that.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/deshaun-watson-21753/

 

It would mean that Houston goes with TT at QB and has to wait until next year for their picks which is risky.

It all would essentially mean that Houston wastes this year but that team has done a lot of goofy things in the past.

 

I just don't get this whole thing myself.

 

You know, the only way I can see the Texans doing this is if thereis some morality clause or something similar in his contract that would void his guarantees.  If not, I let him sit and fine him to the maximum now.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

There was talk about protest of fans going from Texans Quarterback Deshaun Watson's Lefty’s Famous Cheesesteaks restaurant to Texans stadium if Watson did not get promised input.

 

I wonder if there will be protest around his restaurant(s) regarding his activities. 

Different social groups protest different ways. 

 

Can we consider that these are allegations at this point - not activities?  Maybe we should wait for some proof or at least some more details before speculating on protest activities?

 

I work to keep the benefit of the doubt either way at this point, which seems appropriate.

 

Though I must admit that lawyer makes it a challenge

 

11 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Leaving the whole legal thing out of it and just looking at the Texans perspective the only thing I can see is that the Texans

if they indeed want to trade Watson would want to do it after June 1st.

 

It frees up $10M this year instead of adding an extra $5M along with his current Cap Hit this year.

A team trading for him would only have a $10M hit this year and just about anyone could get that.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/deshaun-watson-21753/

 

It would mean that Houston goes with TT at QB and has to wait until next year for their picks which is risky.

It all would essentially mean that Houston wastes this year but that team has done a lot of goofy things in the past.

 

I just don't get this whole thing myself.

 

 

The thing is, Watson's trade value is maximal right now (actually, a week ago) while teams are shopping for QB.

Once teams have signed $10M contracts or drafted rookies or whatever they're gonna do, his trade value goes down

 

Hard to know what to believe

[Punching Bag]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Can we consider that these are allegations at this point - not activities?  Maybe we should wait for some proof or at least some more details before speculating on protest activities?

 

 

There were protests on other things before there was proof before.

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You know, the only way I can see the Texans doing this is if thereis some morality clause or something similar in his contract that would void his guarantees.  If not, I let him sit and fine him to the maximum now.

 

Maybe.  I still think they will trade him before the season starts but with this legal stuff it's just crazy.

[Doc]

34 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Maybe.  I still think they will trade him before the season starts but with this legal stuff it's just crazy.

 

The legal stuff and Commish's actions (if there are any) make him untradable at least until those are settled.  In the meantime, if I'm them, I'm looking at every avenue to get my guaranteed money back.

[Locomark]

14 hours ago, NoSaint said:

especially as a guy that bought a “draft Johnny football” billboard in Houston previously.

 

he’s got a super sketchy reputation. 
 

but doesn’t mean the claims are untrue, just because the attorney is sketchy.

I heard today the attorney is the neighbor of the owner.... wow talk about making this even more sketchy... 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Anyone remember when Peyton Manning was accused of sexual assault by an athletic trainer? 

[Bferra13]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Anyone remember when Peyton Manning was accused of sexual assault by an athletic trainer? 

Yup, but not 12 athletic trainers. And not in the prime of cancel your azz 

[Locomark]

4 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Leaving the whole legal thing out of it and just looking at the Texans perspective the only thing I can see is that the Texans

if they indeed want to trade Watson would want to do it after June 1st.

 

It frees up $10M this year instead of adding an extra $5M along with his current Cap Hit this year.

A team trading for him would only have a $10M hit this year and just about anyone could get that.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/deshaun-watson-21753/

 

It would mean that Houston goes with TT at QB and has to wait until next year for their picks which is risky.

It all would essentially mean that Houston wastes this year but that team has done a lot of goofy things in the past.

 

I just don't get this whole thing myself.

 

They are a terrible org but they should know that they can get a crap more value now than after June 1. So if he is gonna be moved is seems to be before the draft and it is super likely to be out of conference. They could go Panthers, Lions, or even Philly because all could hand them a current decent QB plus first round picks in the top 10 if they wanted.