eball Posted February 2, 2021 Author Share Posted February 2, 2021 Miami's biggest problem is still going to be figuring out how to deal with Josh Allen for the next 10-15 years. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 From my friend in Miami: "Studesville will be run game coordinator, Godsey will be pass game coordinator, and whichever is the better play caller will call the games." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Wait...you had two parents, didn't you??? That works most of the time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, NewEra said: I hope you’re right. I think he’s done a great job so far. I don’t think starting Tua was a mistake for the franchise going forward. It was a mistake if winning in 2020 was the only thing on his mind.....which I don’t think is the case. He coaching long term and playing Tua was smart imo. Fitz isn’t the answer and the best case scenario for that team was make the playoffs and lose in round 1. That is my view. When he started Tua it should’ve been all about the future. They should have thrown him out there to sink or swim. Miami fans will lead you to believe that he was coached conservatively. I just think Chan called plays based on his ability - which at this point in his career is limited. I thought that pulling Tua was a terrible idea. Not keeping him on those situations eliminated any insight as to how he’d perform in those situations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 4 hours ago, eball said: Story here. Yeah, that's bound to work out well. And the GM has already said Tua is the starter. What is Flores smoking? He arguably coached the Fish out of a playoff berth last season with his botching of the QB situation, and now he's on his 3rd/4th OC in three seasons. This division should be the Bills' to own for years. Don't Bet the Rent. But it does seem like system set up to cause friction unless those guys really are best buds and joined at the hip. It really comes down to this (from the article) Quote It's unclear at this stage how the play-calling will break down, but the Dolphins felt both Studesville and Godsey were strong internal candidates to take over for Chan Gailey. You can have a run game coordinator and a pass game coordinator, but in the end "there can be only one". Ya gotta have a singular vision for the game plan and one voice has to be calling the plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, JohnNord said: That’s a different situation. No one has gone the co-coordinator route because it probably doesn’t work. Miami interview some good candidates at OC like “Pep” Hamilton and Matt “Blame” Canada. Glad they went with these two. Now, time to sell continuity to the fan base! Well Pep is going to Houston as QB coach isn't he? I'm not a huge fan of his to be honest. His run as Colts OC was pretty brutal calling 7 step drops every snap with a line like swiss cheese. Canada got promoted with the Steelers which he was always likely to take. I am not saying they ended up with the ideal hire, they didn't. Mike McDaniel was the perfect guy for this offense and they failed to land him. I just don't think you can say "oh it doesn't work." Of course it can work. Will it? I have no idea, but it is clearly harder to make it work with two guys having to co-exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Draconator said: From my friend in Miami: "Studesville will be run game coordinator, Godsey will be pass game coordinator, and whichever is the better play caller will call the games." OK.....but how are they gonna decide on that last? And then there's the question of who puts the game plan together and makes the final call on what plays are in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Doc said: There's no way they bring back Fitz. Wouldn't want to upstage Tua. He is the starter, you know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Someone should give Chan a shot with a real QB for once. Look at what he’s had to deal with over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK.....but how are they gonna decide on that last? And then there's the question of who puts the game plan together and makes the final call on what plays are in it Exactly. This seems destined for failure. But hey. Better them than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Lmao we tried the two coaches thing with the Ryan Bros on defense. That worked out really well. You mean Browns legend Charlie Frye?? Mr. Littlehands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA OC Bills Fan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Well Pep is going to Houston as QB coach isn't he? I'm not a huge fan of his to be honest. His run as Colts OC was pretty brutal calling 7 step drops every snap with a line like swiss cheese. Canada got promoted with the Steelers which he was always likely to take. I am not saying they ended up with the ideal hire, they didn't. Mike McDaniel was the perfect guy for this offense and they failed to land him. I just don't think you can say "oh it doesn't work." Of course it can work. Will it? I have no idea, but it is clearly harder to make it work with two guys having to co-exist. I was pretty sure that USC under Pete Carroll had Steve Sarkisian and Lane Kiffin as co-OCs in 2005-2006. Wikkipedia shows Kiffin as OC and SS as assistant HC / QB Coach but I'm quite sure that at least the local papers always referred to them as co-OCs. Not saying it will work for the Fish, just saying I don't think this is really unprecedented (although it may be unprecedented in the pros). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 minute ago, CA OC Bills Fan said: I was pretty sure that USC under Pete Carroll had Steve Sarkisian and Lane Kiffin as co-OCs in 2005-2006. Wikkipedia shows Kiffin as OC and SS as assistant HC / QB Coach but I'm quite sure that at least the local papers always referred to them as co-OCs. Not saying it will work for the Fish, just saying I don't think this is really unprecedented (although it may be unprecedented in the pros). Joe Brady was "co-OC" with LSU in 2019. Yes, more rare in the pros but as I say the 49ers basically had that the last 3 years and went to the Superbowl once with that setup. As long as there is one playcaller and everyone is clear who that man is and that between kick off and 00.00 he is the man that matters I don't think fundamentally it is anymore doomed to fail than any other approach. 46 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK.....but how are they gonna decide on that last? And then there's the question of who puts the game plan together and makes the final call on what plays are in it I think the game plan part is easier to overcome. The decision on who calls the plays is critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 So Chan Gailey leaves and another Drought-Era scrub steps in. Congrats Eric Studesville, congrats Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 hours ago, NewEra said: I hope you’re right. I think he’s done a great job so far. I don’t think starting Tua was a mistake for the franchise going forward. It was a mistake if winning in 2020 was the only thing on his mind.....which I don’t think is the case. He coaching long term and playing Tua was smart imo. Fitz isn’t the answer and the best case scenario for that team was make the playoffs and lose in round 1. That's belied by putting in Fitz to salvage the Raiders game and a chance at the playoffs. Since they missed the playoffs, they probably all hate Tua for blowing it against the Bills, not realizing that a) Fitz couldn't play anyway and b) if he had, he still would have lost. 2 hours ago, Charles Romes said: Someone should give Chan a shot with a real QB for once. Look at what he’s had to deal with over the years. He could be co-OC with Daboll... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 6 hours ago, Bangarang said: I see this totally working well. If you don’t know who your best QB is, why should you not be equally confused about your OC??? I like the theme! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 7 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: Makes total sense. One coordinator for Tua and when he craps the bed, one coordinator for Fitz. Not needed. Fitz has more OC smarts that I would guess at least 7-8 OCs in the league right now. AVP is a coordinator!---and he went to Pitt (which may or may not be the Harvard of Pittsburgh)... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 15 hours ago, eball said: Story here. Yeah, that's bound to work out well. And the GM has already said Tua is the starter. What is Flores smoking? He arguably coached the Fish out of a playoff berth last season with his botching of the QB situation, and now he's on his 3rd/4th OC in three seasons. This division should be the Bills' to own for years. Sounds weird at first. But seeing that Studesville was the run game guy last year makes it seem a bit more understandable. I wonder if it'll work. Wouldn't mind if it causes problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I gave credit to Flores in the sense they drafted 11 players, had a bunch of free agents, and he managed to turn a 5 win team to a 10 win team in one year. How he handled the QB situation made no sense. Why he wouldn’t keep starting Fitz until we’ll he became Fitz. They have had 1-2 more wins. Now I don’t think they would’ve gone farther than the wildcard game, but at least they could’ve made it to the dance. This idea is just not defendable. The second coordinator should’ve been give another title and responsibilities. He could’ve still consulted with the OC, but there needs to be clear succession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Soon to be seen on the Miami sidelines: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 30 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: I gave credit to Flores in the sense they drafted 11 players, had a bunch of free agents, and he managed to turn a 5 win team to a 10 win team in one year. How he handled the QB situation made no sense. Why he wouldn’t keep starting Fitz until we’ll he became Fitz. They have had 1-2 more wins. Now I don’t think they would’ve gone farther than the wildcard game, but at least they could’ve made it to the dance. This idea is just not defendable. The second coordinator should’ve been give another title and responsibilities. He could’ve still consulted with the OC, but there needs to be clear succession. So I disagree on Fitz. I think they went to Tua at the right point. I think where he made a mistake was going back to Fitz twice as a relief pitcher. They went to Tua as soon as it became clear the team was ahead of schedule in its development. They said "okay we are better than we expected, we could potentially be a really dangerous team in 2021 if we keep developing at this pace so we better find out what we have in Tua." The mistake IMO was then not letting him play out those defeats and see how he responded. As a result they are where they don't want to be.... with a team that is really close, a roster that is pretty solid all round, but a big question mark about whether their QB is the guy or not. Maybe Houston trades them Watson and that misstep ends up not hurting. We will soon find out! 13 hours ago, eball said: Miami's biggest problem is still going to be figuring out how to deal with Josh Allen for the next 10-15 years. Agree. They are not that far away from Buffalo when you match roster with roster excluding the QB. Weaker on the offensive side, stronger on the defensive side, but when you add Quarterback into that the gap is significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 17 hours ago, H2o said: Correct, they can't really. There are already stories out about how the locker room was divided with many of them wanting Fitz to play full time. Fitz became Miami’s Flutie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 18 hours ago, eball said: Story here. Yeah, that's bound to work out well. And the GM has already said Tua is the starter. What is Flores smoking? He arguably coached the Fish out of a playoff berth last season with his botching of the QB situation, and now he's on his 3rd/4th OC in three seasons. This division should be the Bills' to own for years. Flores will be gone in two years, he will be just another failed Patriots HC in a long line of them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 19 hours ago, eball said: Story here. Yeah, that's bound to work out well. And the GM has already said Tua is the starter. What is Flores smoking? He arguably coached the Fish out of a playoff berth last season with his botching of the QB situation, and now he's on his 3rd/4th OC in three seasons. This division should be the Bills' to own for years. Hum...they won 5 games in 2019 when people thought they'd go 0-16. Last year they almost made the playoffs when most had them finishing last (or 3rd) in division pre-season. Unfortunately I think Flores knows what he is doing and has exceeded expectations each season. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt here until he proves he doesn't deserve. This is the team we need to be worried about. Can't believe people are disregarding Tua so quickly after 1 season, one in which he probably wasn't 100% recovered from his hip injury. I kinda sorta remember JA not looking that great in a lot of his first seasons games. Yeah, I know, throwing strength yada yada yada, thats why he's compared to Brees a lot and he worked out OK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, Mark80 said: Hum...they won 5 games in 2019 when people thought they'd go 0-16. Last year they almost made the playoffs when most had them finishing last (or 3rd) in division pre-season. Unfortunately I think Flores knows what he is doing and has exceeded expectations each season. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt here until he proves he doesn't deserve. This is the team we need to be worried about. Can't believe people are disregarding Tua so quickly after 1 season, one in which he probably wasn't 100% recovered from his hip injury. I kinda sorta remember JA not looking that great in a lot of his first seasons games. Yeah, I know, throwing strength yada yada yada, thats why he's compared to Brees a lot and he worked out OK. Totally agree on Flores. Agree to an extent on Tua. I get why there are concerns (and I suspect they exist inside the Dolphins building too) because he didn't really demonstrate any elite traits. Equally I don't think he played poorly enough to be written off the way some are writing him off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, The Jokeman said: I doubt Fitz would return with Gailey leaving and likely being a backup. I'm sure he'll go somewhere that has a rookie QB that needs a seasoned backup behind him to see if he can start again as seems like Fitz doesn't want to be a backup anymore. 18 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I would be very surprised if Fitz re-ups there. I think he became fond of Tua, but not fond of how the QB situation was handled during the season or in-games. 19 hours ago, Doc said: There's no way they bring back Fitz. Look up. Way up. Edited February 3, 2021 by jeremy2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 37 minutes ago, Mark80 said: Hum...they won 5 games in 2019 when people thought they'd go 0-16. Last year they almost made the playoffs when most had them finishing last (or 3rd) in division pre-season. Unfortunately I think Flores knows what he is doing and has exceeded expectations each season. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt here until he proves he doesn't deserve. This is the team we need to be worried about. Can't believe people are disregarding Tua so quickly after 1 season, one in which he probably wasn't 100% recovered from his hip injury. I kinda sorta remember JA not looking that great in a lot of his first seasons games. Yeah, I know, throwing strength yada yada yada, thats why he's compared to Brees a lot and he worked out OK. During Flores' first season there is no question Miami outperformed expectations. I was on the bandwagon and believed the Fish were going to be our primary competition. The 10 win total this season is deceptive, though, and you are also discounting just how much pre-season hype they received. Some had them going to the playoffs and nearly all said they would compete for the AFC East. As for Tua -- if he was not 100% recovered what in the hell is Flores doing putting him out there? That's negligent. Flores totally butchered that process with Fitz playing well, and stories have leaked out of Miami that players were questioning what was going on. I'm not saying Tua will be a bust -- I believe I've posted on this forum that I think his upside is as an above-average starting QB. I just don't see any "wow" factor. It's foolish to compare Tua to Allen -- completely different players and backgrounds. Tua's development as a QB coming into the NFL is LIGHT YEARS ahead of where Josh was. And finally -- this will be Flores' third season and he's on his 3rd/4th OC. Remember how people didn't think McD understood offense? Let's multiply that times 10. I am simply not impressed with the decisions Flores made last season, and it's hard to forget how woefully prepared his team was in a "win and you're in" scenario against a Buffalo team he knew would start resting people. That game made the Bills' flop against Pittsburgh's backups in 2004 look like a respectable outing. They've got a very good defense. Flores looks like he turned the culture around. In my mind, the jury is definitely still out. 24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Totally agree on Flores. Agree to an extent on Tua. I get why there are concerns (and I suspect they exist inside the Dolphins building too) because he didn't really demonstrate any elite traits. Equally I don't think he played poorly enough to be written off the way some are writing him off Very few reputable NFL people are "writing off" Tua -- but like me, it's the lack of a "wow" factor that should be concerning. And as stated above, if Tua was not physically ready to play last season it was negligence for Flores to play him, particularly when he had a very viable option in Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 5 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: Look up. Way up. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 26 minutes ago, Doc said: ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 2/2/2021 at 1:41 PM, Jauronimo said: I'm guessing one Co-OC handles the day to day stuff and the other Co-OC focuses on the big picture stuff. Look, it doesn't take a genius to know that every organization thrives when it has two leaders. Go ahead, name a country that doesn't have two presidents. A boat that sets sail without two captains. Where would Catholicism be without the popes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 4 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: No, I got the joke the first time, hence the "Haha" response. But some people were suggesting that they would bring Fitz back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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