NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 26 minutes ago, dbfla10 said: look at his cap hit after next year. 40mil/year That’s where they step in and rework his K to punt the football down the road so to speak—convert portion of that years salary to a signing bonus and spread it out over the life of the extended term K (up to 5 yrs) for cap purposes? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fieldgulls.com/platform/amp/2019/2/19/18231248/salary-cap-101-basics-salary-bonuses-john-schneider-seattle-seahawks-frank-clark-russell-wilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbfla10 Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 Hopkins, julio Jones, Keenan Allan, amari cooper, Michael thomas is just short... IMO Diggs is better than all of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Who? Keep up the fight Doc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 scratch off lotto tickets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Also empirically, we’re still going to most likely be better off with a high priced QB than not... https://www.rotoworld.com/article/numbers/can-nfl-teams-contend-high-priced-qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, dbfla10 said: Rodgers wasnt over 30 and Adams wasnt near 20... possibly but there are enough making over 20m, and if you think youre the best youre gonna want to be the highest paid... Hopkins set the new bar IMO Comprehensive list of WRs with a cap hit greater than 20m Hopkins 27.25 Jones 22 Allen 20.025 Cooper 20 I don't think we're suddenly going to see a ton of 20+mm cap hits for WRs, especially with the cap (probably) going down this coming season. Diggs is the 16th highest cap hit at WR, which isn't low enough to be insulting. I predict he'd play out at least 1 more season before trying to restructure. Josh's (hopefully soon to come) mega deal won't kick in until the 22-23 season (at the earliest). Beane is surely aware of this and it will effect the batch of UFA signings this off-season, but we're hardly in cap trouble. A small bit of planning will make it very easy to retain Diggs and Allen without destroying our cap. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dbfla10 Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Comprehensive list of WRs with a cap hit greater than 20m Hopkins 27.25 Jones 22 Allen 20.025 Cooper 20 I don't think we're suddenly going to see a ton of 20+mm cap hits for WRs, especially with the cap (probably) going down this coming season. Diggs is the 16th highest cap hit at WR, which isn't low enough to be insulting. I predict he'd play out at least 1 more season before trying to restructure. Josh's (hopefully soon to come) mega deal won't kick in until the 22-23 season (at the earliest). Beane is surely aware of this and it will effect the batch of UFA signings this off-season, but we're hardly in cap trouble. A small bit of planning will make it very easy to retain Diggs and Allen without destroying our cap. Agree with everything you said. Just hope Diggs plays along, cause I cant blame him for asking for more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, dbfla10 said: Hopkins, julio Jones, Keenan Allan, amari cooper, Michael thomas is just short... IMO Diggs is better than all of them Good list (for real, no sarcasm). But really only Hopkins and Jones average over $20M/yr. The Cowboys were stuck having to pay Cooper since they traded away some 1sts for him. And Thomas kind of answers your original question. The Saints are paying Thomas and Brees. They start every offseason way over the cap. But somehow they figure out payrolls, and are still there to compete every season. Good back and forth, but it really isnt that much of a worry for the Bills. Especially considering Josh's extension and Diggs' new deal wont kick in until after next year when the cap gets back to normal and makes some big jumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, teef said: scratch off lotto tickets. Teef words of wisdom lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iccrewman112 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 While the taste of defeat is fresh I’d quickly offer josh 8 years fully guaranteed for $160M and tell him he can work with Beane on how the extra $15M a year he saved the team is spent. Beans: “Hey josh do you want an online to help you stay upright or a shiny new toy to throw to your choice” Also provide him with player option to renegotiate after year 4 as salary cap changes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Teef words of wisdom lol i think now the biggest question becomes....do we buy many of the $1/$2 tickets, or do we spring for the $5 or more tickets? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbfla10 Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Good list (for real, no sarcasm). But really only Hopkins and Jones average over $20M/yr. The Cowboys were stuck having to pay Cooper since they traded away some 1sts for him. And Thomas kind of answers your original question. The Saints are paying Thomas and Brees. They start every offseason way over the cap. But somehow they figure out payrolls, and are still there to compete every season. Good back and forth, but it really isnt that much of a worry for the Bills. Especially considering Josh's extension and Diggs' new deal wont kick in until after next year when the cap gets back to normal and makes some big jumps. good stuff go bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, dbfla10 said: There is no doubt Diggs is going to ask for more money. Deandre Hopkins yearly salary is going to be nearly twice that of diggs. Diggs is going to ask for more money, and based on other contracts he deserves it. I know he has 3 full seasons left, but so did hopkins before his trade. Going to be very tough to afford these two unless the bills ride out Allens contract till his 5th year, which I think is best. Here, I'll explain it to you very simply. They do Incentive laden contracts with Bonuses at a smaller yearly salary. The Salary gets spread out over the number of years of the contract, but the bonuses count against only that year they are given. That keep the yearly salary's manageable while still having the cap space to pay out the bonuses when and if they are met. It's literally how every other NFL team does it. That's not even taking into account the fact that these are all "character" guys that buy into the team first philosophy that Bean and McDermott are all about. They want the player like this because as long as they are building a winning team, those types of players will take those types of contract so that they can retain and attract great talent to keep on winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Hopkins>Diggs Don't get me wrong, I love Diggs, but he should not get near the type of money of Hopkins, Adams, in prime Julio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafioso Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said: Are you seriously suggesting that the Bills allow Allen to basically become a free agent before paying him? The whole idea of reworking these contracts for your rookie franchise QB is to show him that he's your guy and to allow the team to get the most advantageous CAP friendly deal they can get. To do otherwise would be insane on the Bills part. There is a zero chance that Bean doesn't rework Allen's contract this off season. Agreed...the longer they wait to work on Allen's deal, the worse it will be for the organization as Josh continues to increase his leverage. They will get it done this offseason as they should...and it will look like a relative bargain in a few years as the price of even serviceable to good QB's (seek Kirk Cousins, etc.) continues to skyrocket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Just a note that we didnt really re-do his contract. We just moved some money up to this year since we had cap space this year, and reduced it down the line. "the Bills are increasing Diggs' 2020 compensation by $3.3 million (now $14.8 million). Buffalo is also reducing Diggs' 2021 cash by $300,000, but increasing the guarantee by $7.7 million -- making it a total of $11 million. Additionally, the Bills reduced Diggs' 2022-23 cash from $25.55 million to $22.67 million" In effect increasing his guaranteed $ and getting him some more $ this year. I know it's a not a major re-working, but it is a reworking that benefitted both sides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Diggs wanted out of Minnesota because he wanted to play with a good QB on a Super Bowl contending team. He won’t be able to get top dollar here because we have to pay our franchise QB first. If he wants Hopkins level money then he’ll need to goto Washington, Jax, NYJ or another team that has oodles of cap room but no franchise QB, but I don’t think that’s Diggs’ #1 objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 38 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said: While the taste of defeat is fresh I’d quickly offer josh 8 years fully guaranteed for $160M and tell him he can work with Beane on how the extra $15M a year he saved the team is spent. Beans: “Hey josh do you want an online to help you stay upright or a shiny new toy to throw to your choice” Also provide him with player option to renegotiate after year 4 as salary cap changes. Surely you can't be serious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: In effect increasing his guaranteed $ and getting him some more $ this year. I know it's a not a major re-working, but it is a reworking that benefitted both sides. Right on. I wasnt disagreeing with you, but thought it was a smart and interesting move by Beane and wanted to document it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) Man, you leave this board for 2 minutes and the kids start raiding the liquor cabinet . Edited January 26, 2021 by HOUSE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Can we get a *head, desk* emoji? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Has nobody read the rules that only B7uffalo can afford one $10M+ salary. In all seriousness, it is possible. You have to stagger contracts and be smarter about things. Cant waste $40M on guys like Jefferson, Butler, Addison, Klein, etc. Or $4M on special teams guy. Other teams have done it for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, dbfla10 said: You all realize Mahomes only accounted for 5mil towards the cap this year. So using him as an example doesnt work You do realize that much like White (and Mahomes) they will extend Allen meaning his 4th year (next year) and his 5th year deals will be significantly under 30 million a season. Any Allen contract is not going to be a big hit until 2023. It will allow him to get more upfront, but spread that hit out of 10+ years. Relax and look at the Mahomes template. 🤦♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Can we get a *head, desk* emoji? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBobs Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, dbfla10 said: not trolling show me a team with a 30mil QB and a 20mil WR that consistently contends? Are you kidding -- how about the other three teams playing last weekend? Buccaneers, Packers, Chiefs all fit the bill of highly paid quarterback and at least one highly paid receiver. Two of them are playing in the Super Bowl. The Saints, a stones throw from making it have consistently contended paying Brees and Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbfla10 Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 Just now, BuffaloBobs said: Are you kidding -- how about the other three teams playing last weekend? Buccaneers, Packers, Chiefs all fit the bill of highly paid quarterback and at least one highly paid receiver. Two of them are playing in the Super Bowl. The Saints, a stones throw from making it have consistently contended paying Brees and Thomas. Yet none of them have a 30mil qb and a 20mil WR, so no im not kidding you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, dbfla10 said: There is no doubt Diggs is going to ask for more money. Deandre Hopkins yearly salary is going to be nearly twice that of diggs. Diggs is going to ask for more money, and based on other contracts he deserves it. I know he has 3 full seasons left, but so did hopkins before his trade. Going to be very tough to afford these two unless the bills ride out Allens contract till his 5th year, which I think is best. Shocker, another anti bills thread from someone who wants to claim the sky is falling.. oh god, chicken little. Nice try. Won’t be back. Have f7n with you’re anti bills fans so you can have fun with each other. real bills fans. Let them have their fun. God knows anyone with a brain won’t listen.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 With a ton of cap space in 2022, not even sweating this anymore. I actually think all 3---Milano Williams and Feliciano will be back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iccrewman112 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, nucci said: Surely you can't be serious i am and don’t call me Shirley. that type of money is plenty for generations. It’s fully guaranteed. There’s Opt outs after 4 years. From what I read Josh’s family had money growing up. He knows 160 is plenty. sacrifice the money you’ll never spend in your lifetime to compete for a championship every year. be the one guy that is different in the NFL, put yourself in a position to get the ring(s) now so you aren’t chasing them at the end of your career like stafford and rivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) I'm sure people have a answered but we don't have to worry about Allen’s cap hit for a couple years. So I'll worry about them in a couple years. Edited January 26, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Stefon has little leverage if he doesnt play under his current contract (I believe he doesnt vest if he doesnt play), and we have him for 3 more years. This really isnt a conversation cause that trade was sneaky good because Diggs' contract was very reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 This will get worked out, not the least bit worried. Good teams pay the stars and draft young talent as well as bring in vets as role players. If they can't figure that part out this won't last long anyways. Everyone can't get paid, like Milano, he's good but something tells me we will live without him. 18 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said: i am and don’t call me Shirley. that type of money is plenty for generations. It’s fully guaranteed. There’s Opt outs after 4 years. From what I read Josh’s family had money growing up. He knows 160 is plenty. sacrifice the money you’ll never spend in your lifetime to compete for a championship every year. be the one guy that is different in the NFL, put yourself in a position to get the ring(s) now so you aren’t chasing them at the end of your career like stafford and rivers. So because his parents had money he should eat it? Nah, he puts his body on the line. Advice to him is get a market deal, make it somewhat team friendly and he can make concessions on a year to year basis if the team has cap issues. No way I would take less and put the ball in their court. To bring up his parents monetary value is crazy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Question: How can a team afford to pay their star players? Answer: Don't overpay a bunch of underperformers to hang around your locker room. Next Question? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBobs Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, dbfla10 said: Yet none of them have a 30mil qb and a 20mil WR, so no im not kidding you. Wrong. Mahomes contract averages $45,000,000 a year while Hill averages $18,000,000 a year. So yes, the Chiefs meet and exceed your arbitrary threshold. The Saints and Packers both average above $45,000,000 a year between their quarterback and top receiver, the Buccaneers more than $40,000,000. It's possible -- in fact I'd argue if there are two positions where you should spend on top talent this all suggests it's quarterback and receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iccrewman112 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Question: How can a team afford to pay their star players? Answer: Don't overpay a bunch of underperformers to hang around your locker room. Next Question? chiefs starting OL in the Super Bowl will have a total 2020 salary for all 5 guys of under 7 million dollars. that’s the online we could t get pressure against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbfla10 Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 Dude youre not even close to right, Mahomes cap hit this year was 5mil. Bucs wrong Brady is at 27mil and evans around 18mil. Packers arents close with Rodgers cap at 21mil and Adams I believe at 16mil 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBobs said: Wrong. Mahomes contract averages $45,000,000 a year while Hill averages $18,000,000 a year. So yes, the Chiefs meet and exceed your arbitrary threshold. The Saints and Packers both average above $45,000,000 a year between their quarterback and top receiver, the Buccaneers more than $40,000,000. It's possible -- in fact I'd argue if there are two positions where you should spend on top talent this all suggests it's quarterback and receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, dbfla10 said: what team TRF poster has a 30 plus IQ mil QB and a minus 25 mill WR learning capacity? Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloNuts Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Warcodered said: How do the Chiefs afford Mahomes, Hill, and Kelce? They figure it out. Not to mention Frank Clark, Mathieu, Chris Jones, Fisher. Frank was a 25mm cap hit this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, teef said: i think now the biggest question becomes....do we buy many of the $1/$2 tickets, or do we spring for the $5 or more tickets? 5 or more Teef lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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