Gabe not practicing today...

[atlbillsfan1975]

On 1/20/2021 at 11:51 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Taiwan Jones and Jake Kumerow do not fill the same role on Special Teams.

As we saw in the Colts game, going AFU on ST does not help a team in a playoff game

 

You guys are nuts, we're competing for the AFC championship and you want to make unnecessary changes at multiple positions to the roster that brought us here.

Joe Moreno on Locked On Bills stated that Kumerow did fill in for Jones earlier this season. Are you sure Kumerow can’t play Jones’ spots on ST? 

[Hebert19]

Kumerow won't be cleared this week

53 minutes ago, CSBill said:

 
the one big thing Kumerow does bring is quality Special Teams play. We know how much this staff values that. All other things being equal, I think he would get the nod. 

He won't pass covid clearance in time  i believe

[Joe Ferguson]

On 1/20/2021 at 6:36 AM, Mango said:

Who is the replacement for Davis? Stills? Duke? Kumerow? 

McKenzie 

[BearNorth]

Stills is 6-1 runs a 4.38. Kumerow is 6-4 runs a 4.54, knows the Packers playbook. If diggs, smoke and beasley are healthy, do we need a 6-4 or a 6-1 in tight spaces. just saying.

 

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

If Gabe cannot go, I don't think McDermott will play another WR that has not already taken live snaps for the Bills this season.  I don't believe he trusts it.  Maybe Kumerow would get the nod. 

I agree as be wise to ler Tyler Kroft play if Davis can't go. He is good as anyone in the redzone. Then use Singletary/McKenzie more in the passing game.

[Paul Costa]

Stills has 37 career TD’s. If they activate him he could help. He wouldn’t be on the team if he wasn’t doing well in practice. They could simply cut him. He’d a a wild card the Chiefs would not be ready for. Diggs , Smoke , Beasley, & Stills would be dangerous 

 

[BearNorth]

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I agree as be wise to ler Tyler Kroft play if Davis can't go. He is good as anyone in the redzone. Then use Singletary/McKenzie more in the passing game.

Kroft is a bit bigger than Kumerow, but .2 slower.  If Knox 4.58 is healthy, Kumerow becomes the tougher player to defend in the red zone.

 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I could be wrong, but I thought Stills was signed for the "break glass in emergency" Brown can't go SPEED no one else on the roster really has.

 

None of us know the key information here: how well Stills is picking up the playbook in practice - bearing in mind that we also expect blocking and sometimes blitz pickup out of our WR.  Stills didn't exactly look good with the Texans, and caught about 58% of the balls thrown his way in games this year and his drop % was horrific - almost 16%.  He had a much better year last year for both catches and drops, so there's that.  But still, I don't understand why everyone is eager to throw this guy into the most critical game of the year.

 

KC has a physical, mauling secondary.  They were nasty to Brown, Beasley and Diggs in the first game - Diggs drew penalties but they were beating the snot out of Brown and Beasley with laundry in the pocket.

 

If Davis can't go or is limited, I think we either see Roberts or Kumerow (if he re-signs) or maybe some of both (Roberts is smaller, but able to be very physical)

 

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

Has he actually signed?  They said he was flying here to sign two days ago, but *crickets*

@YoloinOhio? 

His visit was yesterday 

1 hour ago, CSBill said:

 
the one big thing Kumerow does bring is quality Special Teams play. We know how much this staff values that. All other things being equal, I think he would get the nod. 

He does play ST but at this point all of our ST guys are healthy. It’s a WR we need to run 4 wide if Davis can’t go. 

[The Jokeman]

10 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Kroft is a bit bigger than Kumerow, but .2 slower.  If Knox 4.58 is healthy, Kumerow becomes the tougher player to defend in the red zone.

 

.2 over 40 yards? Then inside the 20 you're talking .1 seconds. At 6'6 Kroft's 2 inches could be important against a CB that's 5'11 or 6 feet.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

His visit was yesterday 

 

So did we sign him, or No?

[The Jokeman]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So did we sign him, or No?

Nothing official yet but appears they want to https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2021/01/bills-signing-jake-kumerow-to-practice-squad-per-sources.html

[YoloinOhio]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So did we sign him, or No?

Not yet

 

[Billsfan1972]

11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He tipped up a possibly-catchable pass for an INT vs Tennessee, then later in the game caught a picture-perfect "toe drag swag" 10 out of 10 difficulty contested catch on the sideline.

 

That was the last we saw of him until NE 10 weeks later, where he also saw 2 targets (and 2 catches)

No it was a very catchable ball and hit him in the #'s (though he had to go down to catch it.

 

And this was in the first two drives and changed the game almost immediately.

 

All retrospect, but need to point it out....

[MrSarcasm]

If Stills plays, I forsee a couple of vital drops by him. Not a fan of him. 

[thenorthremembers]

13 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

If Stills plays, I forsee a couple of vital drops by him. Not a fan of him. 

A lot of people will see this as a pessimistic take.  However, Stills' biggest downfall are his hands.  That said, he is on par with Davis in that sense so I dont see it as a major downgrade, aside from the size of the player.

[YoloinOhio]

17 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

If Stills plays, I forsee a couple of vital drops by him. Not a fan of him. 

Do you think he would even be targeted twice? I feel like they would just send him on go routes to draw coverage 

[MrSarcasm]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Do you think he would even be targeted twice? I feel like they would just send him on go routes to draw coverage 

Considering the forecast is rain and winds at 15mph, go routes will be as effective as they were in the Ravens. So hands are going to be more needed.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said:

McKenzie 

 

No

37 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

A lot of people will see this as a pessimistic take.  However, Stills' biggest downfall are his hands.  That said, he is on par with Davis in that sense so I dont see it as a major downgrade, aside from the size of the player.

 

Davis has 3 drops on 62 targets - 4.8%.  He has a 56.5% catch percentage which is not dissimilar to Stills this year, except that Stills is charged with 3 drops on 19 targets for a 15.8% drop %. 

 

That implies that Stills was seeing more balls assessed as "catchable with normal effort" and failing to hall them in.

 

So probably NOT on par.

 

34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Do you think he would even be targeted twice? I feel like they would just send him on go routes to draw coverage 

 

I feel that an open WR on a "go" route is like Catnip for a Cat to Josh Allen.

[Since1981]

When they keep a TE in to block or pspiedo block , Josh is able to find the fewer receivers. It seems that the extra seconds benefit our WR + QB style where the very backend of a route or off script is a competitive advantage of the offense. 

[thenorthremembers]

16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No

 

Davis has 3 drops on 62 targets - 4.8%.  He has a 56.5% catch percentage which is not dissimilar to Stills this year, except that Stills is charged with 3 drops on 19 targets for a 15.8% drop %. 

 

That implies that Stills was seeing more balls assessed as "catchable with normal effort" and failing to hall them in.

 

So probably NOT on par.

 

 

I feel that an open WR on a "go" route is like Catnip for a Cat to Josh Allen.

Interesting.  I just took a quick look at their catch rate.  I know Kenny has had issues with drops over his time.  Always seemed to kill us on 9 routes when he was with the Dolphins, so never really saw him as a nuanced wideout.  Good stuff!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Not yet

 

 

 

This is the part I don't understand. 

 

Kumerow was on a team - with the Saints, just eliminated Sunday.  Per NFL

Quote

The memo also states that the daily testing and intensive protocols will continue for seven days following a team's last game for players and staff members who wish to enter the facility during that period.

So he should have been able to be "current with the NFL testing cadence"

 

The NFL also said that players who were "current with the NFL testing cadence" could join a team right away

 

So there's a missing piece here.  Perhaps he had an exposure?

 

[BADOLBILZ]

21 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

When they keep a TE in to block or pspiedo block , Josh is able to find the fewer receivers. It seems that the extra seconds benefit our WR + QB style where the very backend of a route or off script is a competitive advantage of the offense. 

 

 

Yes they are more explosive out of 11 personnel with both a back and TE tight where the defense has to consider every option.................I am really not a fan of the 5 wide looks.........they limit the defense's ability to blitz but otherwise it just turns the offense into dink-and-dunk short passes.     The perception that it makes them more explosive is inaccurate.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yes they are more explosive out of 11 personnel with both a back and TE tight where the defense has to consider every option.................I am really not a fan of the 5 wide looks.........they limit the defense's ability to blitz but otherwise it just turns the offense into dink-and-dunk short passes.     The perception that it makes them more explosive is inaccurate.

 

 

 

I think the 4/5 wide has a place on 3rd and shorts when they generally then are able to get Diggs and Beas in a 1v1 and just throw to them. My perception (haven't dug into numbers etc) is that they have had reasonable success converting 3rd and shorts with 00 and 10 personnel. 

[Coach Tuesday]

9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yes they are more explosive out of 11 personnel with both a back and TE tight where the defense has to consider every option.................I am really not a fan of the 5 wide looks.........they limit the defense's ability to blitz but otherwise it just turns the offense into dink-and-dunk short passes.     The perception that it makes them more explosive is inaccurate.

 

 

 

Except that a short passing attack, if it moves the sticks slowly, keeps Mahomes off the field.  Not the worst strategy for Sunday.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Except that a short passing attack, if it moves the sticks slowly, keeps Mahomes off the field.  Not the worst strategy for Sunday.

 

I will be a bit surprised if they can win Sunday by playing not to lose like they did the first time.    

 

I'd certainly hate to lose that way though.   

 

This Bills team finished second in scoring in the NFL.....the Chiefs finished 6th........playing scared and getting beat would be regrettable, IMO.

 

The Chiefs defense will be in a real bind if Breeland and Gay are both out or even limited........their defense could be very vulnerable and the Bills are over-due for a big offensive performance.

[Coach Tuesday]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I will be a bit surprised if they can win Sunday by playing not to lose like they did the first time.    

 

I'd certainly hate to lose that way though.   

 

This Bills team finished second in scoring in the NFL.....the Chiefs finished 6th........playing scared and getting beat would be regrettable, IMO.

 

The Chiefs defense will be in a real bind if Breeland and Gay are both out or even limited........their defense could be very vulnerable and the Bills are over-due for a big offensive performance.

 

I don't see it as playing not to lose - the key is converting redzone opportunities into touchdowns.  I just don't want to score too quickly.

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I don't see it as playing not to lose - the key is converting redzone opportunities into touchdowns.  I just don't want to score too quickly.

Chiefs are dead last in the league on red zone D. 
https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/chiefs-aim-to-tighten-up-in-red-zone-vs-hot-bills-offense/article_1aa19c2e-5a9b-11eb-aa34-d38ab66404e2.html

Edited January 22, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[MrSarcasm]

25 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I will be a bit surprised if they can win Sunday by playing not to lose like they did the first time.    

 

I'd certainly hate to lose that way though.   

 

This Bills team finished second in scoring in the NFL.....the Chiefs finished 6th........playing scared and getting beat would be regrettable, IMO.

 

The Chiefs defense will be in a real bind if Breeland and Gay are both out or even limited........their defense could be very vulnerable and the Bills are over-due for a big offensive performance.

The Titans and the Texans last year both got to big leads on the Chiefs and preceded to 'eat clock'- 'run'-AKA play to lose. Bills need to view this game like they did the 2nd Pat's game and continue to kick them while they are down.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

48 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yes they are more explosive out of 11 personnel with both a back and TE tight where the defense has to consider every option.................I am really not a fan of the 5 wide looks.........they limit the defense's ability to blitz but otherwise it just turns the offense into dink-and-dunk short passes.     The perception that it makes them more explosive is inaccurate.

 

 

 

Well when you can't run the ball...

[MrSarcasm]

16 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I don't see it as playing not to lose - the key is converting redzone opportunities into touchdowns.  I just don't want to score too quickly.

???? That is playing to lose.  This D is good enough to be able to come back after a 2 minute TD drive by the Bills Offense and hold the chiefs to 3 or less. McD rotates players for this reason.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

17 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

The Titans and the Texans last year both got to big leads on the Chiefs and preceded to 'eat clock'- 'run'-AKA play to lose. Bills need to view this game like they did the 2nd Pat's game and continue to kick them while they are down.

That's my biggest concern for this game. 

 

McDermott pushing too much "balance" into the offensive game plan and trying to run like the Browns did last week. 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

That's my biggest concern for this game. 

 

McDermott pushing too much "balance" into the offensive game plan and trying to run like the Browns did last week. 

 

 

Teams that beat the chiefs have run for an average of 166/game. Just because the browns don’t have the Qb and WRs to scare the chiefs into selling out on coverage doesn’t mean the bills can’t run it on them. Two very different offenses. The chiefs were focused on stopping the run vs the browns as these should have been, it is the strength of their entire team. 

[MrSarcasm]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Teams that beat the chiefs have run for an average of 166/game. Just because the browns don’t have the Qb and WRs to scare the chiefs into selling out on coverage doesn’t mean the bills can’t run it on them. Two very different offenses. The chiefs were focused on stopping the run vs the browns as these should have been, it is the strength of their entire team. 

That's really misleading. Technically only one team beat the chiefs and it was the raiders. No one should count the week 17 game. 

 

Also by your own summation, we will have to score 40 points to beat the Chiefs(raiders 40, chargers 38).

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

To be perfectly honest, I think the Chiefs are gonna try to run in order to keep the Bills offense off the field. If the interior of the Bills Oline can contain Chris Jones, it’s gonna be a long night for the Chiefs defense 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

Well when you can't run the ball...

 

there is a difference between "can't" and "prefer not to" or "it won't take much to convince us to simply throw it"

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Maybe the independent neurologist is a Bills fan and won't let him play 🤣

[The Jokeman]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Erm isn't that two steps since there's an and in there?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

*bag of $$$$ slides under the table*

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

https://www.buffalobills.com/team/injury-report/

 

Both Gabe and Vernon got in a LP. Both Questionable for Sunday. 

[PonyBoy]

Maybe Gabe's feet are sore from all the toe dragging he has been doing with them on sideline catches..🤔