Daboll & Allen vs. the Ravens

[transplantbillsfan]

I think some are being overly harsh in terms of Allen and especially Daboll vs. the Ravens.

 

Daboll

I generally understand the game plan and am fine with it.  And I've been a huge critic of his for the last 3 years.  But frankly, Josh Allen is the best player on the team and Diggs is the 2nd best player.  Our OL has been quietly spectacular at pass blocking all season and not very good at run blocking.  On top of that, we lost Moss last week, who was the better RB this season in an already below average RB corps.  Once Yeldon was activated and the fan-favorite from week 17 Williams became inactive, it was pretty obvious we were going to come out passing.  And you can argue that we shouldn't have called so many deep passes in the wind, but I think those shots ended up keeping the Ravens D honest and opened up the short to intermediate game, which was working well.  The winds obviously affected the deep passes just like they affected FG kicking, but I'd guess Daboll was in Allen's ear that misses on the deep passes are fine as long as they aren't picked.  And we were moving the ball fairly effectively in the 1st half against the best D I think Buffalo has faced all year and will face in the last game or (hopefully) 2 that they play.  Davis should have had a TD.  And the passing game in the first half opened up the run game a bit in the 2nd half, specifically for that first TD drive coming right out of the half.

 

I wish we could run the ball, too.  But I don't think we have the RBs or OL to do it very much.  Daboll didn't call a flawless game, but he called a pretty darn good game against a great D.  If I were to critique him--and this is a season long critique--it's that I think when he decides to commit a little more to the run, he goes to the well 1 or 2 times too often.  Yesterday at one point in the 2nd half Singletary got a good gain on 1st down and then we ran almost the same play on 2nd down and he was stuffed.  I understand the theory, but I think he should just count his blessings we got positive yardage and get the ball back in the hands of his most dynamic players.

 

 

Allen

 I think I covered some of it above, but I was actually impressed by him.  Yes he had another fumble, but this one wasn't really his fault the way it was against the Colts.  He was otherwise incredibly careful with the football.  I can't think of a single pass that was nearly intercepted, can you?  All of his deep passes that he missed were out of reach of absolutely anyone, including the pass to Diggs in double coverage that I think a lot of people were highly critical of.  I think I was expecting Allen to run the ball more, but there were a number of plays that looked like RPOs where he chose to pass instead of run or hand off and overall, they seemed to be good decisions.

 

In the end, that wind just wreaked havoc on the game, but that wind was precisely the reason we drafted Allen in the first place.  Other than those deep passes missed probably in part to the wind, Allen was fantastic in the short to intermediate passing game with some of his weekly "WOW!!!" passes like that one to Brown on the sideline that Al Michaels initially said was out of bounds.  Heck, he completed 62% of his passes in that wind even with those deep misses while playing with an absence of 2 of his favorite targets in Beasley and Davis.  He saw what our D was doing and did a good job in terms of finding a way to get a lead and then protecting that lead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I honestly went into yesterday's game thinking that we'd lose.  I know that sounds bad, but I just thought the Ravens offense would be able to score against our D and that our offense hadn't seen a D as strong and intimidating as Baltimore's.  I was wrong and am so glad I was.

 

I won't doubt this team again.  I wouldn't predict a Super Bowl win, but this team is ABSOLUTELY more than capable of beating absolutely ANY team remaining in the playoffs in the AFC or NFC.  

 

Welcome back to the AFC Championship game, Buffalo!!!!

[Big Blitz]

Nope.  Not here.  

 

We played the best D in the NFL with zero threat of a running game in near impossible winds.  A defense that allowed 20 total points in 2 playoff games against 2 of the best offenses in the league.  

 

And 2 of our key WRs are banged up.  Davis is something to monitor this week.  Like you I didn't Iove our chances either bc every single matchup on paper-- including the weather that broke their way, favored the Ravens. 

 

 

The only QB and OC any objective "analyst" should be criticizing, reside in Baltimore.  

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Big Turk]

That throw to Davis in the endzone should have been a TD. Put it right in his hands.

[Magox]

The offense isn't played in a vacuum, it's played with an awareness of what is going on in the context of the entirety of the game.  The way the Defense was playing, the offense did a fairly decent job of moving the chains and helping the field position game.  We also missed two field goal kicks and the winds totally took away our deeper pass game which allowed Baltimore's vaunted DB's to sit on the underneath stuff.

 

Considering the conditions they did what they needed to do to win

 

Edited January 17, 2021 by Magox

[CincyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I think some are being overly harsh in terms of Allen and especially Daboll vs. the Ravens.

 

Daboll

I generally understand the game plan and am fine with it.  And I've been a huge critic of his for the last 3 years.  But frankly, Josh Allen is the best player on the team and Diggs is the 2nd best player.  Our OL has been quietly spectacular at pass blocking all season and not very good at run blocking.  On top of that, we lost Moss last week, who was the better RB this season in an already below average RB corps.  Once Yeldon was activated and the fan-favorite from week 17 Williams became inactive, it was pretty obvious we were going to come out passing.  And you can argue that we shouldn't have called so many deep passes in the wind, but I think those shots ended up keeping the Ravens D honest and opened up the short to intermediate game, which was working well.  The winds obviously affected the deep passes just like they affected FG kicking, but I'd guess Daboll was in Allen's ear that misses on the deep passes are fine as long as they aren't picked.  And we were moving the ball fairly effectively in the 1st half against the best D I think Buffalo has faced all year and will face in the last game or (hopefully) 2 that they play.  Davis should have had a TD.  And the passing game in the first half opened up the run game a bit in the 2nd half, specifically for that first TD drive coming right out of the half.

 

I wish we could run the ball, too.  But I don't think we have the RBs or OL to do it very much.  Daboll didn't call a flawless game, but he called a pretty darn good game against a great D.  If I were to critique him--and this is a season long critique--it's that I think when he decides to commit a little more to the run, he goes to the well 1 or 2 times too often.  Yesterday at one point in the 2nd half Singletary got a good gain on 1st down and then we ran almost the same play on 2nd down and he was stuffed.  I understand the theory, but I think he should just count his blessings we got positive yardage and get the ball back in the hands of his most dynamic players.

 

 

Allen

 I think I covered some of it above, but I was actually impressed by him.  Yes he had another fumble, but this one wasn't really his fault the way it was against the Colts.  He was otherwise incredibly careful with the football.  I can't think of a single pass that was nearly intercepted, can you?  All of his deep passes that he missed were out of reach of absolutely anyone, including the pass to Diggs in double coverage that I think a lot of people were highly critical of.  I think I was expecting Allen to run the ball more, but there were a number of plays that looked like RPOs where he chose to pass instead of run or hand off and overall, they seemed to be good decisions.

 

In the end, that wind just wreaked havoc on the game, but that wind was precisely the reason we drafted Allen in the first place.  Other than those deep passes missed probably in part to the wind, Allen was fantastic in the short to intermediate passing game with some of his weekly "WOW!!!" passes like that one to Brown on the sideline that Al Michaels initially said was out of bounds.  Heck, he completed 62% of his passes in that wind even with those deep misses while playing with an absence of 2 of his favorite targets in Beasley and Davis.  He saw what our D was doing and did a good job in terms of finding a way to get a lead and then protecting that lead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I honestly went into yesterday's game thinking that we'd lose.  I know that sounds bad, but I just thought the Ravens offense would be able to score against our D and that our offense hadn't seen a D as strong and intimidating as Baltimore's.  I was wrong and am so glad I was.

 

I won't doubt this team again.  I wouldn't predict a Super Bowl win, but this team is ABSOLUTELY more than capable of beating absolutely ANY team remaining in the playoffs in the AFC or NFC.  

 

Welcome back to the AFC Championship game, Buffalo!!!!

 

And let's not forget the bad slip by Singletery on a screen pass play that probably would have gone for 15 - 20 yards during the first half missed FG drive.

 

Those long shots put us in a great position to exploit a screen pass. And we had it set up perfectly as Singleterry just had to beat one guy on a cut back and it would have been a big gainer putting us in a first & goal. Instead he slipped down for a 2 yard gain. That was very disappointing to say the least.   A TD drive at that point would have put us up 10 - 0 late in the 2nd quarter.

 

 

 

 

[78thealltimegreat]

3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I think some are being overly harsh in terms of Allen and especially Daboll vs. the Ravens.

 

Daboll

I generally understand the game plan and am fine with it.  And I've been a huge critic of his for the last 3 years.  But frankly, Josh Allen is the best player on the team and Diggs is the 2nd best player.  Our OL has been quietly spectacular at pass blocking all season and not very good at run blocking.  On top of that, we lost Moss last week, who was the better RB this season in an already below average RB corps.  Once Yeldon was activated and the fan-favorite from week 17 Williams became inactive, it was pretty obvious we were going to come out passing.  And you can argue that we shouldn't have called so many deep passes in the wind, but I think those shots ended up keeping the Ravens D honest and opened up the short to intermediate game, which was working well.  The winds obviously affected the deep passes just like they affected FG kicking, but I'd guess Daboll was in Allen's ear that misses on the deep passes are fine as long as they aren't picked.  And we were moving the ball fairly effectively in the 1st half against the best D I think Buffalo has faced all year and will face in the last game or (hopefully) 2 that they play.  Davis should have had a TD.  And the passing game in the first half opened up the run game a bit in the 2nd half, specifically for that first TD drive coming right out of the half.

 

I wish we could run the ball, too.  But I don't think we have the RBs or OL to do it very much.  Daboll didn't call a flawless game, but he called a pretty darn good game against a great D.  If I were to critique him--and this is a season long critique--it's that I think when he decides to commit a little more to the run, he goes to the well 1 or 2 times too often.  Yesterday at one point in the 2nd half Singletary got a good gain on 1st down and then we ran almost the same play on 2nd down and he was stuffed.  I understand the theory, but I think he should just count his blessings we got positive yardage and get the ball back in the hands of his most dynamic players.

 

 

Allen

 I think I covered some of it above, but I was actually impressed by him.  Yes he had another fumble, but this one wasn't really his fault the way it was against the Colts.  He was otherwise incredibly careful with the football.  I can't think of a single pass that was nearly intercepted, can you?  All of his deep passes that he missed were out of reach of absolutely anyone, including the pass to Diggs in double coverage that I think a lot of people were highly critical of.  I think I was expecting Allen to run the ball more, but there were a number of plays that looked like RPOs where he chose to pass instead of run or hand off and overall, they seemed to be good decisions.

 

In the end, that wind just wreaked havoc on the game, but that wind was precisely the reason we drafted Allen in the first place.  Other than those deep passes missed probably in part to the wind, Allen was fantastic in the short to intermediate passing game with some of his weekly "WOW!!!" passes like that one to Brown on the sideline that Al Michaels initially said was out of bounds.  Heck, he completed 62% of his passes in that wind even with those deep misses while playing with an absence of 2 of his favorite targets in Beasley and Davis.  He saw what our D was doing and did a good job in terms of finding a way to get a lead and then protecting that lead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I honestly went into yesterday's game thinking that we'd lose.  I know that sounds bad, but I just thought the Ravens offense would be able to score against our D and that our offense hadn't seen a D as strong and intimidating as Baltimore's.  I was wrong and am so glad I was.

 

I won't doubt this team again.  I wouldn't predict a Super Bowl win, but this team is ABSOLUTELY more than capable of beating absolutely ANY team remaining in the playoffs in the AFC or NFC.  

 

Welcome back to the AFC Championship game, Buffalo!!!!

We do not have any running game like at all...This was the 6th top ten pass defense in row Josh has faced..considering he single handedly beat the Colts last week to get them to this point he should get no criticism at all

Edited January 18, 2021 by 78thealltimegreat

[batmanfreek]

One thing I give Allen props for is getting rid of the ball. If nothing is there and pressure is coming, he doesn’t hero ball it and does the smart thing. Mostly that is. Takes what is given and gets rid of it if nothing is there. 

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

That throw to Davis in the endzone should have been a TD. Put it right in his hands.

 

Catchable but not that easy a catch...

 

Josh also overthrew an open TD down the sideline.  

[Charles Romes]

With devilish winds and no running game, they put their full trust in the arm of their young superstar every play and he delivered the victory. Incredible.  

[Shaw66]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

That throw to Davis in the endzone should have been a TD. Put it right in his hands.

Davis wasn't ready for prime time. 

[NewEra]

37 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Catchable but not that easy a catch...

 

Josh also overthrew an open TD down the sideline.  

Agreed on the throw to Davis.  Catchable, but it was closer to his fingertips than his hands. 
 

the throw down the sideline to a wide open Diggs hurt.  The wind wrecked that pass 💯.  In normal conditions, that pass goes for 7 imo.  It was an overthrow....but I wouldn’t put that on his throw, more on the wind.  He didn’t adjust accordingly but it’s tough to gauge that

 

more and more I pray that we build a retractable roof stadium.  We may build a better run game with time, but as long as we have allen and Diggs, driving the ball downfield will be out bread and butter.  The wind will always derail the long pass game, no matter how strong the QBs arm

[Big Turk]

28 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Davis wasn't ready for prime time. 

 

Luckily he was against the Colts the week before.

[GoBills808]

That throw to Davis hit him in both hands

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, Big Turk said:

That throw to Davis in the endzone should have been a TD. Put it right in his hands.

Think TD Jesus would’ve caught it??😎

[DrPJax]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I think some are being overly harsh in terms of Allen and especially Daboll vs. the Ravens.

 

Daboll

I generally understand the game plan and am fine with it.  And I've been a huge critic of his for the last 3 years.  But frankly, Josh Allen is the best player on the team and Diggs is the 2nd best player.  Our OL has been quietly spectacular at pass blocking all season and not very good at run blocking.  On top of that, we lost Moss last week, who was the better RB this season in an already below average RB corps.  Once Yeldon was activated and the fan-favorite from week 17 Williams became inactive, it was pretty obvious we were going to come out passing.  And you can argue that we shouldn't have called so many deep passes in the wind, but I think those shots ended up keeping the Ravens D honest and opened up the short to intermediate game, which was working well.  The winds obviously affected the deep passes just like they affected FG kicking, but I'd guess Daboll was in Allen's ear that misses on the deep passes are fine as long as they aren't picked.  And we were moving the ball fairly effectively in the 1st half against the best D I think Buffalo has faced all year and will face in the last game or (hopefully) 2 that they play.  Davis should have had a TD.  And the passing game in the first half opened up the run game a bit in the 2nd half, specifically for that first TD drive coming right out of the half.

 

I wish we could run the ball, too.  But I don't think we have the RBs or OL to do it very much.  Daboll didn't call a flawless game, but he called a pretty darn good game against a great D.  If I were to critique him--and this is a season long critique--it's that I think when he decides to commit a little more to the run, he goes to the well 1 or 2 times too often.  Yesterday at one point in the 2nd half Singletary got a good gain on 1st down and then we ran almost the same play on 2nd down and he was stuffed.  I understand the theory, but I think he should just count his blessings we got positive yardage and get the ball back in the hands of his most dynamic players.

 

 

Allen

 I think I covered some of it above, but I was actually impressed by him.  Yes he had another fumble, but this one wasn't really his fault the way it was against the Colts.  He was otherwise incredibly careful with the football.  I can't think of a single pass that was nearly intercepted, can you?  All of his deep passes that he missed were out of reach of absolutely anyone, including the pass to Diggs in double coverage that I think a lot of people were highly critical of.  I think I was expecting Allen to run the ball more, but there were a number of plays that looked like RPOs where he chose to pass instead of run or hand off and overall, they seemed to be good decisions.

 

In the end, that wind just wreaked havoc on the game, but that wind was precisely the reason we drafted Allen in the first place.  Other than those deep passes missed probably in part to the wind, Allen was fantastic in the short to intermediate passing game with some of his weekly "WOW!!!" passes like that one to Brown on the sideline that Al Michaels initially said was out of bounds.  Heck, he completed 62% of his passes in that wind even with those deep misses while playing with an absence of 2 of his favorite targets in Beasley and Davis.  He saw what our D was doing and did a good job in terms of finding a way to get a lead and then protecting that lead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I honestly went into yesterday's game thinking that we'd lose.  I know that sounds bad, but I just thought the Ravens offense would be able to score against our D and that our offense hadn't seen a D as strong and intimidating as Baltimore's.  I was wrong and am so glad I was.

 

I won't doubt this team again.  I wouldn't predict a Super Bowl win, but this team is ABSOLUTELY more than capable of beating absolutely ANY team remaining in the playoffs in the AFC or NFC.  

 

Welcome back to the AFC Championship game, Buffalo!!!!

Isn’t saying  “ I won’t doubt this team again “. , followed immediately by “ I wouldn’t predict a Super Bowl win” , actually an oxymoron or doubting the team again!?  😀. Just thinking you are either part of circling the wagons or you are outside the circle!  Can’t straddle the line my friend as a true believer, after waiting a quarter of a century to experience how it feels to know your team has a legit chance to finally hoist the Lombardi! Finally putting the phrase “ wide right” to rest so there will never be another generation.of Bills Mafia who cringe at that phrase!   Don’t doubt, don’t go into the game thinking “ we’d lose”!  I was around for all 4 SB losses , plus much more.heartbreak over 35 years, and I can tell you this is how it feels to be an all in fan for a legit WINNING , SB bound Bills team at the beginning of our next dynasty, the next 4 in a row AFC CHAMPIONSHIP COMPETING CLUB BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR FRANCHISE QB!

 

So if you mean “ I won’t doubt this team again” , then help circle those wagons and don’t doubt this team again!  😀👍🍸💪🏻

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Agreed on the throw to Davis.  Catchable, but it was closer to his fingertips than his hands. 
 

the throw down the sideline to a wide open Diggs hurt.  The wind wrecked that pass 💯.  In normal conditions, that pass goes for 7 imo.  It was an overthrow....but I wouldn’t put that on his throw, more on the wind.  He didn’t adjust accordingly but it’s tough to gauge that

 

more and more I pray that we build a retractable roof stadium.  We may build a better run game with time, but as long as we have allen and Diggs, driving the ball downfield will be out bread and butter.  The wind will always derail the long pass game, no matter how strong the QBs arm

It also derails the other team's long passing game. And Allen can mitigate it better than any quarterback in the world.

 

Brady played outside in New England 20 years and he has every record basically

 

 

[FireChans]

6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I think some are being overly harsh in terms of Allen and especially Daboll vs. the Ravens.

 

Daboll

I generally understand the game plan and am fine with it.  And I've been a huge critic of his for the last 3 years.  But frankly, Josh Allen is the best player on the team and Diggs is the 2nd best player.  Our OL has been quietly spectacular at pass blocking all season and not very good at run blocking.  On top of that, we lost Moss last week, who was the better RB this season in an already below average RB corps.  Once Yeldon was activated and the fan-favorite from week 17 Williams became inactive, it was pretty obvious we were going to come out passing.  And you can argue that we shouldn't have called so many deep passes in the wind, but I think those shots ended up keeping the Ravens D honest and opened up the short to intermediate game, which was working well.  The winds obviously affected the deep passes just like they affected FG kicking, but I'd guess Daboll was in Allen's ear that misses on the deep passes are fine as long as they aren't picked.  And we were moving the ball fairly effectively in the 1st half against the best D I think Buffalo has faced all year and will face in the last game or (hopefully) 2 that they play.  Davis should have had a TD.  And the passing game in the first half opened up the run game a bit in the 2nd half, specifically for that first TD drive coming right out of the half.

 

I wish we could run the ball, too.  But I don't think we have the RBs or OL to do it very much.  Daboll didn't call a flawless game, but he called a pretty darn good game against a great D.  If I were to critique him--and this is a season long critique--it's that I think when he decides to commit a little more to the run, he goes to the well 1 or 2 times too often.  Yesterday at one point in the 2nd half Singletary got a good gain on 1st down and then we ran almost the same play on 2nd down and he was stuffed.  I understand the theory, but I think he should just count his blessings we got positive yardage and get the ball back in the hands of his most dynamic players.

 

 

Allen

 I think I covered some of it above, but I was actually impressed by him.  Yes he had another fumble, but this one wasn't really his fault the way it was against the Colts.  He was otherwise incredibly careful with the football.  I can't think of a single pass that was nearly intercepted, can you?  All of his deep passes that he missed were out of reach of absolutely anyone, including the pass to Diggs in double coverage that I think a lot of people were highly critical of.  I think I was expecting Allen to run the ball more, but there were a number of plays that looked like RPOs where he chose to pass instead of run or hand off and overall, they seemed to be good decisions.

 

In the end, that wind just wreaked havoc on the game, but that wind was precisely the reason we drafted Allen in the first place.  Other than those deep passes missed probably in part to the wind, Allen was fantastic in the short to intermediate passing game with some of his weekly "WOW!!!" passes like that one to Brown on the sideline that Al Michaels initially said was out of bounds.  Heck, he completed 62% of his passes in that wind even with those deep misses while playing with an absence of 2 of his favorite targets in Beasley and Davis.  He saw what our D was doing and did a good job in terms of finding a way to get a lead and then protecting that lead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I honestly went into yesterday's game thinking that we'd lose.  I know that sounds bad, but I just thought the Ravens offense would be able to score against our D and that our offense hadn't seen a D as strong and intimidating as Baltimore's.  I was wrong and am so glad I was.

 

I won't doubt this team again.  I wouldn't predict a Super Bowl win, but this team is ABSOLUTELY more than capable of beating absolutely ANY team remaining in the playoffs in the AFC or NFC.  

 

Welcome back to the AFC Championship game, Buffalo!!!!

EXCUSE ME?

 

Excuse me?

 

EXCUSE ME?

 

There has only been ONE Bill. ONE. In team HISTORY. Who has been quietly spectacular.

 

And you know EXACTLY who it is.

 

@Gugny

[NewEra]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It also derails the other team's long passing game. And Allen can mitigate it better than any quarterback in the world.

 

Brady played outside in New England 20 years and he has every record basically

 

 

The other teams don’t rely on the long passing game like we do.  We have literally zero running game.   Teams can just sit on the short pass game and it’s a wrap.  

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

We do not have any running game like at all...This was the 6th top ten pass defense in row Josh has faced..considering he single handedly beat the Colts last week to get them to this point he should get no criticism at all

 

Honestly I am not even sure we can say that because Daboll never really gives it a chance to get into rhythm. Maybe he feels that Allen gives us a much better chance to not lose yards on a play since usually the worst thing that will happen is an incomplete pass versus us maybe losing 2 or 3 with a carry. 

 

I don't have an issue with it. In good conditions it doesn't matter if a team knows we are going to throw it all the time, they likely won't be able to stop it.

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The other teams don’t rely on the long passing game like we do.  We have literally zero running game.   Teams can just sit on the short pass game and it’s a wrap.  

good. Running is lame.

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The other teams don’t rely on the long passing game like we do.  We have literally zero running game.   Teams can just sit on the short pass game and it’s a wrap.  

First most teams don't have a CB core that the ravens do. Even in those conditions yesterday allen's putting 300 on most teams.

 

Allen throws more intermediate balls than most QBs in the league, bottling up the "short stuff" will still get you ripped up 15 yards downfield.

 

Allen wasn't limited to 5 yard passes, and if you actually sit on it hard, he will absolutely rip you outside the numbers 12-18 yards downfield

 

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by Buffalo716

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

good. Running is lame.

Lame, but necessary to keep the D honest and not sell out to stop the pass

13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

First most teams don't have a CB core that the ravens do. Even in those conditions yesterday allen's putting 300 on most teams.

 

Allen throws more intermediate balls than most QBs in the league, bottling up the "short stuff" will still get you ripped up 15 yards downfield.

 

Allen wasn't limited to 5 yard passes, and if you actually sit on it hard, he will absolutely rip you outside the numbers 12-18 yards downfield

 

 

Like KC earlier this season?  Breeland is their best corner.....

 

tennesee D sucks.  Weather sucked....so did our O.  
 

You don’t want a dome.  Good for you.  You’re not going to convince me to feel the same

[Buffalo716]

18 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Lame, but necessary to keep the D honest and not sell out to stop the pass

Like KC earlier this season?  Breeland is their best corner.....

 

tennesee D sucks.  Weather sucked....so did our O.  
 

You don’t want a dome.  Good for you.  You’re not going to convince me to feel the same

The NFL really is a week to week league. I expect Josh Allen to torch the chiefs pretty well even if he didn't in the regular season.

 

And again both teams play in adverse conditions in any stadium. and when that weather happens Allen is better equipped than any quarterback

 

 

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

EXCUSE ME?

 

Excuse me?

 

EXCUSE ME?

 

There has only been ONE Bill. ONE. In team HISTORY. Who has been quietly spectacular.

 

And you know EXACTLY who it is.

 

@Gugny

 

I vaguely recall "quietly spectacular," but I forgot the context. Please refresh my memory!!!

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I vaguely recall "quietly spectacular," but I forgot the context. Please refresh my memory!!!

Bills win 16 to 6 in a meaningless game vs the Cowboys. Tyrod a casual 13/18 for 179 yards and 1 INT.

 

Quietly spectacular.

 

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by FireChans

[NewEra]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The NFL really is a week to week league. I expect Josh Allen to torch the chiefs pretty well even if he didn't in the regular season.

 

And again both teams play in adverse conditions in any stadium. and when that weather happens Allen is better equipped than any quarterback

 

 

If it’s rainy and/or windy in KC on Sunday I’ll be surprised if he plays well.  I’ll believe that he’s better equipped than other QBs once he plays well in those conditions for a few games.  He didn’t play well in the conditions in Wyoming and hasn’t in Buffalo either.  With no running game and teams not having to worry about the deep ball, we’re at a disadvantage.

 

He has the tools.  He hasn’t had the results.    Our offense stunk vs the ravens....at home, in the playoffs.  
 

Bad weather brings unpredictability.  When you have a truly great qb, it’s best to play in predictable situations and leave unpredictability to the teams that need som luck

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

If it’s rainy and/or windy in KC on Sunday I’ll be surprised if he plays well.  I’ll believe that he’s better equipped than other QBs once he plays well in those conditions for a few games.  He didn’t play well in the conditions in Wyoming and hasn’t in Buffalo either.  With no running game and teams not having to worry about the deep ball, we’re at a disadvantage.

 

He has the tools.  He hasn’t had the results.    Our offense stunk vs the ravens....at home, in the playoffs.  
 

Bad weather brings unpredictability.  When you have a truly great qb, it’s best to play in predictable situations and leave unpredictability to the teams that need som luck

We've had no run game most the season and it's been all on Josh. Our offense hasnt been balanced.

 

Of course in a adverse weather game with no run game you're not going to score lots. But Josh was like 22-36. He was efficient and the game didn't call for him to have to put up more.

 

Sometimes that's football in Buffalo in January

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

We've had no run game most the season and it's been all on Josh. Our offense hasnt been balanced.

 

Of course in a adverse weather game with no run game you're not going to score lots. But Josh was like 22-36. He was efficient and the game didn't call for him to have to put up more.

 

Sometimes that's football in Buffalo in January

 

 

 

 

 

 

And we haven’t had bad weather all year.... when we’ve played in bad weather, our offense has suffered.  Have you not noticed?

 

we had 3 points at the half.  We scored one offensive TD.  Think w/e you like.  I have eyes.  Our offense sucked and it wasn’t because of their D

Edited January 18, 2021 by NewEra

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I LOVED this game plan from Daboll.

 

I wanted 4-wide and 5-wide all night.

 

No heavy formations, no tight formations. 
 

Rodgers uses Adams a lot, Allen leans on Diggs. 

[billsherd]

Ravens did well to cause confusion on the back end and wind played a factor in the long ball. 

[Bookie Man]

I hope they make improving the running game a priority this offseason. I love chucking it all over the yard. But games like yesterday's, a solid ground game is important to have in your back pocket.  Would love to see Jeff Wilson Jr in a Bills uniform next season. 

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Catchable but not that easy a catch...

 

Josh also overthrew an open TD down the sideline.  

 

That should have been a TD. It's an easy catch compared to those 2 sideline catches last week.

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, DrPJax said:

Isn’t saying  “ I won’t doubt this team again “. , followed immediately by “ I wouldn’t predict a Super Bowl win” , actually an oxymoron or doubting the team again!?  😀. Just thinking you are either part of circling the wagons or you are outside the circle!  Can’t straddle the line my friend as a true believer, after waiting a quarter of a century to experience how it feels to know your team has a legit chance to finally hoist the Lombardi! Finally putting the phrase “ wide right” to rest so there will never be another generation.of Bills Mafia who cringe at that phrase!   Don’t doubt, don’t go into the game thinking “ we’d lose”!  I was around for all 4 SB losses , plus much more.heartbreak over 35 years, and I can tell you this is how it feels to be an all in fan for a legit WINNING , SB bound Bills team at the beginning of our next dynasty, the next 4 in a row AFC CHAMPIONSHIP COMPETING CLUB BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR FRANCHISE QB!

 

So if you mean “ I won’t doubt this team again” , then help circle those wagons and don’t doubt this team again!  😀👍🍸💪🏻

 

Big difference between playing psychic and predicting wins and being a "doubter."

 

I know the Bills can win any game against any team in the NFL. They're a legit Super Bowl contender moving forward.

 

That doesn't mean they'll win every game.

 

I'm 100% circling the wagons... but sorry, I won't crown us Super Bowl Champs til we win it.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

If it’s rainy and/or windy in KC on Sunday I’ll be surprised if he plays well.  I’ll believe that he’s better equipped than other QBs once he plays well in those conditions for a few games.  He didn’t play well in the conditions in Wyoming and hasn’t in Buffalo either.  With no running game and teams not having to worry about the deep ball, we’re at a disadvantage.

 

He has the tools.  He hasn’t had the results.    Our offense stunk vs the ravens....at home, in the playoffs.  
 

Bad weather brings unpredictability.  When you have a truly great qb, it’s best to play in predictable situations and leave unpredictability to the teams that need som luck

 

Clearly a doubter.

 

The beauty of bad weather games is that both QBs on both teams need to play in the same weather.

 

Allen is built for bad weather games. Our game against Baltimore was a bad weather game. He outperformed his competition... by  a lot.

 

We're good.

[transplantbillsfan]

 

[Success]

Disagree w/ some on the throw to Davis in the endzone.  Of course he could have caught it - but that's a tough catch.  Not a "should" kind of catch, by any means.

 

[DrPJax]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Big difference between playing psychic and predicting wins and being a "doubter."

 

I know the Bills can win any game against any team in the NFL. They're a legit Super Bowl contender moving forward.

 

That doesn't mean they'll win every game.

 

I'm 100% circling the wagons... but sorry, I won't crown us Super Bowl Champs til we win it.

I know. Just kind of having fun , tongue in cheek.  😂😀. It’s been forever since we have still been relevant this time of year.  Usually we are listening to talk about draft order , prospects, needs, what can we look forward to next year!  I understand the point and just was thinking for once in so long we are actually able to turn on sports talk shows in January and we have a game to look forward we are playing in!  We are still talking x’s&o’s , matchups, who will we make active etc!  Feels great, right!?
 All of us are still circling the wagons as we enjoy the fun and excitement this team has given us this year !  Sure has been a good ride and I have enjoyed seeing Bills fans so happy. I experienced the 90’s as it was a prime time of my life. My Med career was just taking off , family was happy , my dad was still alive ( went to SB 28 with my dad, Saturday happened to be the 20 th anniversary of his passing from cancer and it made me think of him and maybe he was looking down and helped TJ return it for 6!), life was amazing. Some great Bills fans are too young to have felt this type of joy being a Bills fan or see the joy in their hometowns. So I was just thinking, go all in , it really does feel “real” this time as this is what being part of a winning franchise feels like!   This is it, as good as the fan feeling gets, so don’t doubt it!  Bask in it cuz it doesn’t come around often unless you happen to experience TB12, the 1& only GOAT! 
 

This feels just as legit as any of the 90’s teams, with many of those Bills going on to HOF recognition. I know you are a great fan cuz you’re here, and just cuz I have been there, done that, I was hoping to convey that it’s a legit time to put doubt aside! It’s a great time to be alive ( we will get a handle on covid based on my years of science training) and a great time to be a Bills  Believer!  I apologize if I said anything stupid and I hope we both have a memorable AFC CHAMPIONSHIP weekend, and I would love that feeling of BUFFALOS GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL one more time!😀😉💪🏻👏👍 Best wishes my Bills Friend! 

[GunnerBill]

So my take, and I did watch the 40 minute condensed version of the game back yesterday, though clearly the all22 isn't out yet is that Baltimore had a good plan, they have good defensive personnel and they used the wind as an extra defender. 

 

When they played us last year they played a lot of cover 1 and cover 0 on the back end and blitzed us calculating Josh wasn't at that point reading things fast enough to get it out to his hots and his underneath routes. They said if you wanna throw deep you can but we are gonna force you to take those low % throws against our good secondary. 

 

This year Josh has proven much more adept against the blitz and they adjusted. They rushed 4 for the most part, but they still played a lot of cover 1 and cover 0 on the backend and brought their safeties up into the box to flood the intermediate zones and try and take away the shorter passes from Josh. They still had confidence in their corners to make plays on the low percentage downfield throws and, whether by luck or whether they built the plan factoring it in, they had the wind to make those deep balls even tougher to complete. On three or four replays it showed of plays that did go down the field I specifically looked at the underneath routes and the Ravens were all over them. Beasley was bracketed and they were daring Diggs to run deep but had a guy ready to hit him early if they threw those hitches to the outside they so love. 

 

On a couple of the big deep shots in the first half Josh very clearly comes off an underneath route to go deep. And that was the right play. The open guy or the 1 on 1 matchup was more often than not on a deeper pass. If a Quarterback throws deep into double coverage when a guy is open underneath fans go crazy. The same should apply if a Quarterback throws short into double coverage and ignores an open guy down the field. Indeed the latter should be more infuriating. The game day thread was full of people screaming for Daboll and Allen to "take what the defense is giving you!" They were. It was giving them 1 on 1 shots down the field. 

 

The adjustment to me, and the Bills did get to it some in the second half was to start throwing to Diggs short in any event. He is just that good. There was a play over by the sideline in the second half (think it was the early 4th Quarter drive) where Josh threw to Stef to the left and he had his corner and the zone defender there ready to hit in on the hitch and he made one cut that beat them both and was scampering off the field for 15-20 yards and a first down. He is just that darn good. Throw the ball to him. They did the same early in the 2nd half of that Steelers game.... "they have a good plan, they are taking something away.... okay just throw it to your best player and trust he will make a play." 

 

Could they have mixed the run in a little more first half? Sure. I think Singletary had one attempt in the first half and six in the second. You'd like to see that balance closer to 5 and 5 maybe but people waiting for the Bills to become a balanced 50/50 run to pass team are going to be waiting a while. You don't draft and develop Josh Allen to the point where he is a top 3, elite, Quarterback to hand the ball off 20 times to your 3rd round running back out of Florida Atlantic. Come on folks. 

 

Overall, unlike last week where I didn't think the Bills offensive plan made a lot of sense vs the Colts, I thought this week they had a decent plan. Baltimore is really good. Wink Martindale is a top defensive coordinator. They have one of the best secondaries in the league, they had a great defensive gameplan and it was extremely difficult conditions to throw. And yet the Bills did enough to make the plays to win the game. They are going to put this team on Josh Allen's right arm. As they should. That is the whole reason we spent 25 years looking for a Quarterback. 

Edited January 18, 2021 by GunnerBill

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

That should have been a TD. It's an easy catch compared to those 2 sideline catches last week.

Lol, sure it was.  Once a guy makes a few amazing tough catches, he can’t ever let one go after that right?

 

maybe he’s tired from catching all those TDs this season....

[GunnerBill]

On the Davis TD chance.... I thought it was a great throw by Josh but I do not think it was an easy catch I give the DB credit he made a nice play to disrupt Gabe in the process of the catch. He could have caught it, for sure. But it wasn't easy.