That's No Moon Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 He's handsy, that is a double edged sword. You can do worse as a third or fourth corner and I think it depends on the matchup. Tyreek Hill? No thank you. Chase Claypool or JuJu? Some physical play will be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 42 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said: Norman is a Rex type of guy. Will make plays and penalties. So to answer your question- flip a coin. I'm just glad he is the #3 CB. More like #4 or #5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 He's been fine as the 3rd or 4th corner this year. Didn't he help turn the Bills defense around with a forced fumble in a game earlier this year? That DPI call was weak, and that only gets called occasionally. His hand was there early but the coverage was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Didn't he have a pick 6? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Didn't he have a pick 6? and the forced fumble to “save” the Pats game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Does this just negate every other play he was in on? No actually. That was Zimmer. I forgot, you only count bad plays. Carry on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: and the forced fumble to “save” the Pats game. Think is was the Raiders game to help seal a W? Edited January 3, 2021 by Real McNasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Does this just negate every other play he was in on? No actually. That was Zimmer. ok. Fumble recovery 🙄 I’m not on the Norman bandwagon but he has been OK in spot duty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 we can trust Norman to be the best #3 CB for this team. nothing more. dude still plays good enough for that, and thats all we really need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: thats exactly the type of guy you have to be worried about against top teams the next 4 consecutive weeks I get that, but how many teams have 3rd, 4th, 5th CB’s they can truly rely on ? There’s a few guys who could cost us a game, but good teams overcome those mistakes. We’ve been able to do that, and it’s something Bills fans aren’t use to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) And the bad guy this week is Norman. Knox, Edmunds, Klein, Moss, Barkley and Bass can relax. Edited January 3, 2021 by BillsfaninSB 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, motorj said: Why is Norman targeted in this topic? Is he even a starter No clue, lol. I dont know, maybe I'll start a thread complaining about how we allowed Tua to throw for 300+ yards. We should all be real unhappy and find something to complain about, haha. In all seriousness, Josh Norman is the least of our concern. On a day where a player has a pick-6 and made a key pass breakup on 4th down, seems extremely petty to create a thread about said player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 You can trust him to be who he is....a depth corner If he is your top or #2 corner your team is in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Motor Mouth is good depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Simon said: Two incredibly dumb things on 4th down today led to one conversion(and TD) and another that probably should have resulted in a Miami 1st down. If he is going to be that irretrievably stupid, I don't want him anywhere near the field in a playoff game. This is a really good football team and I'd hate to see it sabotaged by the idiocy of one guy at a big moment in a tight game. Depth only, but he needs coverage from more capable first stringers for this to work at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 Just now, MasterStrategist said: No clue, lol. I dont know, maybe I'll start a thread complaining about how we allowed Tua to throw for 300+ yards. We should all be real unhappy and find something to complain about, haha. In all seriousness, Josh Norman is the least of our concern. On a day where a player has a pick-6 and made a key pass breakup on 4th down, seems extremely petty to create a thread about said player. Do none of you remember his first year in Washington, last game of the season when they needed to win in Week 17 to get in? Josh Norman took two selfish, idiotic dead-ball personal fouls that hurt his team badly in a game where they lost and were eliminated. I don't want that immature dipstick anywhere near the field next week. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Norman is ok. Seems like a boom or bust player at this point in his career. Can make an amazing play and then get abused for a TD. He had a great game today against a very shell shocked rookie QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: No clue, lol. I dont know, maybe I'll start a thread complaining about how we allowed Tua to throw for 300+ yards. We should all be real unhappy and find something to complain about, haha. In all seriousness, Josh Norman is the least of our concern. On a day where a player has a pick-6 and made a key pass breakup on 4th down, seems extremely petty to create a thread about said player. Why Bills allowed Tua to throw for 300+ yards is simple. Bills do not want Phish to draft a new QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 33 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: He's handsy, that is a double edged sword. You can do worse as a third or fourth corner and I think it depends on the matchup. Tyreek Hill? No thank you. Chase Claypool or JuJu? Some physical play will be helpful. I get that and it's a fair point. I actually am a big fan of physical corners who push the envelope on contact. But this guy does is at stupid times and stupid ways and is just as likely to take a DPI or Personal Foul as he is to make a play on the ball. I have been Levi Wallace's biggest detractor and I still hope Josh Norman is glued to the bench for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, TroutDog said: Yeah, he’s either totally on or totally off. I’d prefer to use him only as depth. He only gets used as depth when Wallace and White play so... hurray? I wouldn't even say he's the 3rd CB at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Simon said: Two incredibly dumb things on 4th down today led to one conversion(and TD) and another that probably should have resulted in a Miami 1st down. If he is going to be that irretrievably stupid, I don't want him anywhere near the field in a playoff game. This is a really good football team and I'd hate to see it sabotaged by the idiocy of one guy at a big moment in a tight game. Seems like McDermott has looked at CB2 and beyond as a place where we can coach up cheap talent versus taking away $ from other areas of need. Putting an experienced player on the field who is likely to influence the game momentum- one way or the other- is almost a proclamation that the strategy isn’t panning out as imagined. Won’t be surprising to see some low round draft spend this year on a real 2. I know you’re imagining just how much better this D would be with even an average #2 CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 He's a bum, but he's been so rarely available, McD just wanted to make sure of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, AKC said: Seems like McDermott has looked at CB2 and beyond as a place where we can coach up cheap talent versus taking away $ from other areas of need. Putting an experienced player on the field who is likely to influence the game momentum- one way or the other- is almost a proclamation that the strategy isn’t panning out as imagined. Won’t be surprising to see some low round draft spend this year on a real 2. I know you’re imagining just how much better this D would be with even an average #2 CB. I've always undervalued corners because it's soooo hard to make a legitimate impact on the game from the defensive boundary. But the years-long effort by the Powers That Be to turn this into the Arena Football League have really got me questioning that maxim. I thought our inarguable #1 need going into the offseason was to get some help up front for Ed Oliver but I'm now having second thoughts about that. With Josh Norman continuing to show he'll never mature beyond being an unreliable knucklehead, Taron Johnson inability to stick to anybody and Levi Wallace's ongoing efforts to become the most technically unsound corner to ever wear a Bills uniform, I'm wondering if we'd be better served to rebuild the platoon of CBs. Right now I don't trust anybody but Tre White and the young gamer from Pitt, and that is a tenuous position in a league where seemingly anybody can throw it all over the field without fear of reperconcussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCT Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Captain_Quint said: His whole career has been this same type of play. Grab every play and only get called on it 1/3 of the time. Mouth runs the whole time. I would guess this is probably the truth. He plays very physical and on the boundary of pass interference on every play. If the ball doesn’t get thrown in his direction, he probably doesn’t get called. It’s not a totally bad strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, CheshireCT said: I would guess this is probably the truth. He plays very physical and on the boundary of pass interference on every play. If the ball doesn’t get thrown in his direction, he probably doesn’t get called. It’s not a totally bad strategy. It's not really a knock on him. Seattle dbacks did this a few years back too. And that was when Norman was at his 'peak'. It just doesnt work for our defense because it's not how anyone else plays, so his physical play stands out to the refs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 hours ago, fasteddie said: If he had the back arm on the waist and not the shoulder, it most likely would not have been called. Refs hardly ever call that arm on the waist, but on the shoulder is easy to see with their limited acuity. I don't think the refs throw the flag on that play if this game is a playoff game. I didn't like how Norman got in the Phins WR face after a good play, i agree with Simon on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 He is the 4th DB and only Pittsburgh and KC have 5 wide offenses that are to worry about. He will maybe get 10 plays against those teams otherwise he won't see the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Simon said: Do none of you remember his first year in Washington, last game of the season when they needed to win in Week 17 to get in? Josh Norman took two selfish, idiotic dead-ball personal fouls that hurt his team badly in a game where they lost and were eliminated. I don't want that immature dipstick anywhere near the field next week. You and scottlaw seem to be of one mind here. I respectfully ask you to think about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Would rather see Jackson in as first off the pine then Norman...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) Depends on the type of game the refs call. Playoffs refs usually let them play more. That would favor Normans style. He attacks the football better than Wallace. I could see Norman making a play or two if Buffalo makes a long run. Edited January 4, 2021 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Norman can pick off Rivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 hours ago, fasteddie said: If he had the back arm on the waist and not the shoulder, it most likely would not have been called. Refs hardly ever call that arm on the waist, but on the shoulder is easy to see with their limited acuity. He got a PI and also had a pick. I thought on the whole he had a decent game along with Jackson. Like our DB but the other teams make plays as well. So I think Bills are strong in back 4-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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