C.Biscuit97 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 When we traded for Diggs, he was a good player who suddenly became Jerry Rice. It seemed like Bills fans began completely overrating him. But the guy has been nothing short of awesome. Averaging 15 yards/ game more than any season in his career. Our passing offense has gone from 201 yards (7th worst) to 278 yards/ game (4th best). Obviously, Allen deserves a ton of credit but basically the only major difference is Diggs. Additionally, Beasley is having a career season. I know only QBs can win now but the impact of Diggs on this offense seems to be MVP caliber. He also has been a great teammate and seems to be genuinely happy to be a Bill. side note, is this trade the most win-win in nfl history? We get a stud and Minnesota gets a stud replacement. We should do business again with them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Should Kelce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 According to the flashiness required, and the focus on the QB's getting the ball to these WR's, he will not be considered. Even in the year Moss broke the single season record for receiving TD's he wasn't going to edge out Brady. He is definitely a core member of what this team is doing, but he's not going to get those kind of accolades. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Good thought, but we all know there's no way a WR is gonna get it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 No. Next question. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Should Kelce? What are you talking about? Kelce was on the team when Mahomes was drafted. Mahomes passed for 318 yards/ game his first year as a starter. Allen went from 178 and 193 his first 2 years to 278 in his 3rd year as a starter. After we acquired Diggs, which is the point of the thread. what a completely invalid example 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No. Next question. Expected more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I'll join this campaign, if you join my "Fitz for Hall of Fame" campaign. Both should happen, but probably wont. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 No...MVP is always going to a QB unless there is a performance of epic proportions from another position. Diggs doesn't have enough TDs to be considered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Wide Receivers never get serious consideration. I don't think Jerry Rice ever received the NFL MVP either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: What are you talking about? Kelce was on the team when Mahomes was drafted. Mahomes passed for 318 yards/ game his first year as a starter. Allen went from 178 and 193 his first 2 years to 278 in his 3rd year as a starter. After we acquired Diggs, which is the point of the thread. what a completely invalid example Expected more Think about what you wrote here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'll join this campaign, if you join my "Fitz for Hall of Fame" campaign. Both should happen, but probably wont. I know it won’t but if the situation was reversed, and Allen joined Minnesota and Diggs had a career year, Allen would be a MVP. why even if have the reward if only one position can get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, mjt328 said: Wide Receivers never get serious consideration. I don't think Jerry Rice ever received the NFL MVP either. Yeah he certainly deserved consideration. Wide Receivers gots to diva. Diva's never win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 If Randy Moss didn't win it in 1998 or 2007, no receiver is ever going to win it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'll join this campaign, if you join my "Fitz for Hall of Fame" campaign. Both should happen, but probably wont. You don’t think Diggs should win the mvp do you? We all know Fitz shouldn’t be in the HoF. He’s the king of starting strong and finishing poorly. His arm gets worse and worse as the season goes on. He’s never even played in a playoff game. Winning game are a QBs responsibility. He’s always been on bad teams, which isn’t his fault.....but it is. Good teams don’t want him to be their starting QB which is a great measuring stick for making the HoF. He’s one of the best bridge QBs ever and an easy to love competitor. But he shouldn’t even be on a HoF ballot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I know it won’t but if the situation was reversed, and Allen joined Minnesota and Diggs had a career year, Allen would be a MVP. why even if have the reward if only one position can get it? Different positions have different values. So when talking about the Most Valuable Player, it's always going to start with the most valuable position. It's easy to give it to other positions when talking about just one game (Super Bowl MVP for example), but when you are looking at an entire season, it's going to default to the main position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, matter2003 said: No...MVP is always going to a QB unless there is a performance of epic proportions from another position. Diggs doesn't have enough TDs to be considered. Tds is a good point. But there is no question the monumental impact Diggs had on this offense. think about when the Pats got Moss. It was steroids for Brady. They need a separate award then because the impact Diggs has had our offense is a big of any player this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I know it won’t but if the situation was reversed, and Allen joined Minnesota and Diggs had a career year, Allen would be a MVP. why even if have the reward if only one position can get it? Other positions can get it, just nearly impossible for a WR to get it because their productivity is a direct result of the QB, which you can agree, has a MUCH greater impact on each and every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, NewEra said: You don’t think Diggs should win the mvp do you? We all know Fitz shouldn’t be in the HoF. He’s the king of starting strong and finishing poorly. His arm gets worse and worse as the season goes on. He’s never even played in a playoff game. Winning game are a QBs responsibility. He’s always been on bad teams, which isn’t his fault.....but it is. Good teams don’t want him to be their starting QB which is a great measuring stick for making the HoF. He’s one of the best bridge QBs ever and an easy to love competitor. But he shouldn’t even be on a HoF ballot I think Diggs should be discussed given what he has brought to this team. And I wont have the Fit debate with you here. This isnt the thread for it, or for me to point out it is the Hall of FAME, not Hall of Stats or Hall of Wins. It's just a marketing tool for the NFL. But I'm happy to discuss it further here: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Different positions have different values. So when talking about the Most Valuable Player, it's always going to start with the most valuable position. It's easy to give it to other positions when talking about just one game (Super Bowl MVP for example), but when you are looking at an entire season, it's going to default to the main position. If I was a player, I’d kinda hate qbs haha. Average ones gets insane money and they are the only ones who can win MVP. like clearly, Derrick Henry is the MVP of the Titans with Ryan Average but Tannehill makes like $15 million more than him. It’s crazy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Good stuff going on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Tds is a good point. But there is no question the monumental impact Diggs had on this offense. think about when the Pats got Moss. It was steroids for Brady. They need a separate award then because the impact Diggs has had our offense is a big of any player this year. Diggs is on pace for a little under 1450 yards receiving. A good total no doubt, but not the type of total that would put him in MVP conversations... Also, he isn't even the MVP on his own team, so how could he be MVP of the NFL? Allen is unquestionably the MVP of the Bills and for as great as Diggs has been it isn't even close. Edited November 24, 2020 by matter2003 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: But there is no question the monumental impact Diggs had on this offense. Do you think Diggs or Allen has been more valuable to the offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneck Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: When we traded for Diggs, he was a good player who suddenly became Jerry Rice. It seemed like Bills fans began completely overrating him. But the guy has been nothing short of awesome. Averaging 15 yards/ game more than any season in his career. Our passing offense has gone from 201 yards (7th worst) to 278 yards/ game (4th best). Obviously, Allen deserves a ton of credit but basically the only major difference is Diggs. Additionally, Beasley is having a career season. I know only QBs can win now but the impact of Diggs on this offense seems to be MVP caliber. He also has been a great teammate and seems to be genuinely happy to be a Bill. side note, is this trade the most win-win in nfl history? We get a stud and Minnesota gets a stud replacement. We should do business again with them. While we could have taken Justin Jefferson - younger/cheaper/etc; I would do this trade again in a heartbeat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Do you think Diggs or Allen has been more valuable to the offense? He thinks Diggs is an MVP candidate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: He thinks Diggs is an MVP candidate... I just want him to put it out there that he thinks Diggs has been more important to the offense than Allen. Or if he knows Allen has been more valuable, then he answered his own question. Edited November 24, 2020 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) Your main point is his improvement on the team he joined, relative to prior seasons. Past performance of the team or player is irrelevant to MVP discussion Edited November 24, 2020 by Crayola64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: When we traded for Diggs, he was a good player who suddenly became Jerry Rice. It seemed like Bills fans began completely overrating him. Are you sure it wasn't you that was underrating him? He was a top 10 WR talent in Minnesota and he's a top 10 WR talent here. He isn't doing anything here that he wasn't doing before. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: When we traded for Diggs, he was a good player who suddenly became Jerry Rice. It seemed like Bills fans began completely overrating him. But the guy has been nothing short of awesome. Averaging 15 yards/ game more than any season in his career. Our passing offense has gone from 201 yards (7th worst) to 278 yards/ game (4th best). Obviously, Allen deserves a ton of credit but basically the only major difference is Diggs. Additionally, Beasley is having a career season. I know only QBs can win now but the impact of Diggs on this offense seems to be MVP caliber. He also has been a great teammate and seems to be genuinely happy to be a Bill. side note, is this trade the most win-win in nfl history? We get a stud and Minnesota gets a stud replacement. We should do business again with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I just want him to put it out there that he thinks Diggs has been more important to the offense than Allen. Or if he knows Allen has been more valuable than he answered his own question. Yeah that's pretty much the point of this exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 No. He’s having a good year but it’s not absolutely dominant. I don’t think a WR has ever won the MVP. Michael Thomas I don’t think was seriously considered when he broke the receptions record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Do you think Diggs or Allen has been more valuable to the offense? One begets the other....the classic Chicken and Egg conundrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewPort71 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) No WR has won the Associated Press NFL MVP award. Not Jerry Rice nor Randy Moss. There have been 2 defensive players to win and one special team player to win the MVP award. Every other year it is a QB or RB. Edited November 25, 2020 by LewPort71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 59 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I just want him to put it out there that he thinks Diggs has been more important to the offense than Allen. Or if he knows Allen has been more valuable, then he answered his own question. Why? Both could be candidates, which is all he is arguing for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 If Megatron couldn't crack the Top 5 in MVP voting in 2012 when he had 1964 receiving yards what chance does Diggs have? Marvin Harrison had 143 receptions and Randy Moss had 23 TDs. Don Hutson was the last WR to win it,........... Back in 1942 It just doesn't happen and if it does Diggs is gonna have to do a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 hours ago, mjt328 said: Wide Receivers never get serious consideration. I don't think Jerry Rice ever received the NFL MVP either. No Jerry Rice didn't. QBs dominate MVP awards although many are not in Canton. Non QBs/RBs: The great Don Hutson is the only receiver to win outright the MVP Award (he was voted MVP twice in 1941 and 1942) The position was called End then. Alan Page, a defensive tackle was the AP MVP winner in 1971. Lawrence Taylor, a Linebacker for Giants in 1986. https://americanfootballdatabase.fandom.com/wiki/Associated_Press_NFL_Most_Valuable_Player_Award https://americanfootballdatabase.fandom.com/wiki/National_Football_League_Most_Valuable_Player_Award Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 to the Buffalo Bills alone MNP Most Needed Player MIP Most Improved Player Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 If Calvin Johnson didn't win it the year he racked up nearly 2000 receiving yards then I don't think Diggsy has much of a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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