Milano out for Seahawks game

[Hapless Bills Fan]

26 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

Dude, wow.

 

Ok you’re right. Matt Milano is the healthiest person on the team.

 

We are here ---->>>>>Impute to others views they've never held. 

Take an extreme position yourself. 

When called on it, behave as though you're persuading people to the position they actually held instead of the position they actually held

and

Complain that they're somehow misinterpreting or overinterpreting your extreme position

 

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Also, this seems political related

 

Horseradish, you silly boy!  I just went back and looked at your posts in this thread and diagrammed what you did.

Which I've seen before, in football threads.

 

But it's interesting that you see it as such.....

 

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I’m done responding to you

 

Promises!

[Brennan Huff]

24 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

It is political, which is uncool, especially from the mod warning us about it on the top of the Wall.  But so is hyperbole.  It makes for shite discussion, because reasonable people see it and react in kind.  

It’s not worth it man. This is his kingdom. 

[hemma]

Unless tripping becomes legal, I think the team may be better off playing a 2 armed LB.

 

 

 

[Hampton Josh fan]

Another major miscalculation by the overrated Beane. With oftinjured Milano and poor depth at cover lb, we are vulnerable against high powered passing attacks. Dbs are also pitifully mismatched against teams like Seattle, Arizona, SD, and Pittsburgh. Bills fans must hold Beane responsible for fixing these defensive weaknesses. I give him credit for putting a formidable offense together,  but linebacker talent and dbs that can hang with top end receivers a not there.

[ProcessTruster]

7 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

When Milano gets anywhere near 50% active for his career let us know.

he obviously must have (or now has) a tear, so he's on Mongo time.. he likely needs to sit until after the bye.... 

 

boy, Josh is going to need to be freakin Superman the next couple games.  

[YoloinOhio]

13 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

he obviously must have (or now has) a tear, so he's on Mongo time.. he likely needs to sit until after the bye.... 

 

boy, Josh is going to need to be freakin Superman the next couple games.  

No, he is not on mongo time. Mongo had a full tear and needed surgery. Milano has a partial tear and does not need surgery. It’s a 2-6 week recovery, typically. They tried to ease him back after 2 weeks and he needs more time to be effective. After the bye does make sense to me but if so IR won’t work for him to come back vs the chargers because it’s 3 games,  not 3 weeks. But would be good to get the roster spot for Del shaun Phillips who has been practicing. 

Edited November 6, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[BADOLBILZ]

7 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

This will be his 6th game missed due to injury in 4 seasons.  

 

 

 

Your math is off it will be more like 9 counting this week and the playoff games(he missed the 2017 playoff game with a hamstring injury).

 

And he only became the top of depth chart starter in December of 2017 so that will make 9 no-plays-at-all in 47 chances(19%).

 

The big issue isn't just the missed games though...... it's the missed snaps...........he's only played in 34% of the Bills snaps so far this season.

 

In this defense he is an every down player.

 

He has had so many different injuries and those lead to a lot of snaps missed in games that he technically played in. 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

No, he is not on mongo time. Mongo has a full tear and needed surgery. Milano has a partial tear and does not need surgery. It’s a 2-6 week recovery, typically. They tried to ease him back after 2 weeks and he needs more time to be effective. After the bye does make sense to me but if so IR won’t work for him to come back vs the chargers because it’s 3 games,  not 3 weeks. But would be good to get the roster spot for Del shaun Phillips who has been practicing. 

 

I didn't realize Del'Shawn Phillips had been practicing.   Do you remember when he started practicing?

I think for Milano to DNP this week he's worsened the injury in some way and giving him 4 weeks to heal would only make sense.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we can IR Milano as late as 4 pm Saturday?

Also, I *think* we get a 1 week roster exemption for Knox coming off the covid IR as we did for Smith, so we may have an extra spot and could activate Del'Shawn Phillips?  Very uncertain here.....

 

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I didn't realize Del'Shawn Phillips had been practicing.   Do you remember when he started practicing?

I think for Milano to DNP this week he's worsened the injury in some way and giving him 4 weeks to heal would only make sense.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we can IR Milano as late as 4 pm Saturday?

Also, I *think* we get a 1 week roster exemption for Knox coming off the covid IR as we did for Smith, so we may have an extra spot and could activate Del'Shawn Phillips?  Very uncertain here.....

 

Not sure when he started but they mentioned it on radio today (Sal). He was eligible to come off IR last week so I think it was then. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, par73 said:

I think they will sit Milano until after the bye. The next two games are going to be rough with the way the defense is playing. Best to be as healthy as possible for the stretch run.

 

 

This was my thought.

 

If you are going to risk losing two games.........these are the two left on the schedule that you take more liberties with.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I didn't realize Del'Shawn Phillips had been practicing.   Do you remember when he started practicing?

I think for Milano to DNP this week he's worsened the injury in some way and giving him 4 weeks to heal would only make sense.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we can IR Milano as late as 4 pm Saturday?

Also, I *think* we get a 1 week roster exemption for Knox coming off the covid IR as we did for Smith, so we may have an extra spot and could activate Del'Shawn Phillips?  Very uncertain here.....

 

 

 

McDermott was on WGR this am and when prompted about it he didn't indicate in any way.......tone or otherwise......that Milano had re-injured anything or that it had worsened.........he said something along the lines of we are learning about the injury as we go.  Which could mean that they think that a few weeks of no stress to the pec muscle and he might be full go.

[Jerome007]

7 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

I found this funny... and if accurate, just shows the blatant overaction in this whole thread.

 

I too have the impression he has missed a lot of time, and he's my favorite Bills on defense with White. But if he has played 86% of games, just CHILL everybody. And LOL at saying the dude should retire. He'll make some serious cash with his next contract.

[In Summary]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m ok with putting him out there on some passing downs and making him active but he’s been here like 3 days, not sure he will know the scheme well enough to line up correctly 

As a rusher, coverage, or both?  I'm not familiar with Lee.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

57 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Another major miscalculation by the overrated Beane. With oftinjured Milano and poor depth at cover lb, we are vulnerable against high powered passing attacks. Dbs are also pitifully mismatched against teams like Seattle, Arizona, SD, and Pittsburgh. Bills fans must hold Beane responsible for fixing these defensive weaknesses. I give him credit for putting a formidable offense together,  but linebacker talent and dbs that can hang with top end receivers a not there.

 

I am not happy about many of the defensive decisions that were made.  But to be fair, I think they felt they had depth with Dodson and Del'shawn Phillips.   It's hard to predict your backup LBs going down to injury as your starters are injured.

 

IMO the major miscalculation was the AJ Klein signing.

 

It does sometimes feel as though Beane can only focus on one side of the ball at a time

 

33 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

McDermott was on WGR this am and when prompted about it he didn't indicate in any way.......tone or otherwise......that Milano had re-injured anything or that it had worsened.........he said something along the lines of we are learning about the injury as we go.  Which could mean that they think that a few weeks of no stress to the pec muscle and he might be full go.

 

That would be good  - thanks for the info!

[Hampton Josh fan]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I am not happy about many of the defensive decisions that were made.  But to be fair, I think they felt they had depth with Dodson and Del'shawn Phillips.   It's hard to predict your backup LBs going down to injury as your starters are injured.

 

IMO the major miscalculation was the AJ Klein signing.

 

It does sometimes feel as though Beane can only focus on one side of the ball at a time

Hey that final comment made good sense. Check Milano's attendance record since he joined the team, and Dodson and Phillips are perennial practice squad fodder. I know it's not fashionable to point fingers at Beane when we're 6and2 but you're deluding yourself if you didn't see problems with the Pats taking the ball right down the field 3 straight times with the game on the line. This Patriots team is decimated and Cam is not playing well.  Our defense is not good. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Hey that final comment made good sense. Check Milano's attendance record since he joined the team, and Dodson and Phillips are perennial practice squad fodder. I know it's not fashionable to point fingers at Beane when we're 6and2 but you're deluding yourself if you didn't see problems with the Pats taking the ball right down the field 3 straight times with the game on the line. This Patriots team is decimated and Cam is not playing well.  Our defense is not good. 

 

I think in the cap-limited FA era if you expect a GM to stock the roster with quality depth down to the practice squad, you're going to be perennially disappointed.

 

There's all kinds of stuff about Milano's "attendance record" up thread.  Dodson can not be "perennial practice squad fodder" since he was on IR last season and played in 6 games this season before going on IR.  Whether he's gonna make a habit of this or will have that "availability" does remain to be seen. 

 

Phillips can not be "perennial practice squad fodder" since he was an UDFA rookie this season.

[Nitro]

Time to plan for the Bills to move on from Milano.  I like the guy and how he plays but the injury bug and his size are working against him.  

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

That is a start. I’m proud of you. You guys take things too literal. Obviously if he was “always hurt” then he would have been on the IR for his entire career and never played a snap in the NFL

 

Some just exaggerate when their point is weak.

 

I was taught this by my debate teacher: Exaggeration is a tool of those with weak arguments.

[Hampton Josh fan]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think in the cap-limited FA era if you expect a GM to stock the roster with quality depth down to the practice squad, you're going to be perennially disappointed.

 

Could you point out the drives you mean by the Patriots "took the ball right down the field 3 straight times with the game on the line"? 

 

The second half, after they drove the field and tied the game at 14 with the 2 pt. Conversion  They onside kicked and the Bills took the lead with a great drive. Then, mostly running the ball with Harris,  they drove right down and tied the game at 21. The Bills then had a long drive ending in a Davis drop in the end zone, resulting in a field goal.  The Patriots then drove the ball, again with mostly runs and featuring missed tackles and miraculously Cam was stripped by Zimmer inside the 20. The Bills were defenseless on the final drive and pulled the game out of their rear end.

 

 

 

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

🙄

 

Impute to others views they've never held. 

Take an extreme position yourself. 

When called on it, behave as though you're persuading people to the position they actually held instead of the position they actually held

and

Complain that they're somehow misinterpreting or overinterpreting your extreme position

 

Now where have I seen this argument strategy before 🤔

 

 

 

You forgot lawsuits.

[Brennan Huff]

9 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Some just exaggerate when their point is weak.

 

I was taught this by my debate teacher: Exaggeration is a tool of those with weak arguments.

Well I’d have to agree with the “some” part, but thanks for letting me know

[PUNT750]

What's new with this 'news'.  He's constantly injured and should go on IR.  How do you re-sign a guy like that for next season?

[Punching Bag]

2 minutes ago, PUNT750 said:

What's new with this 'news'.  He's constantly injured and should go on IR.  How do you re-sign a guy like that for next season?

 

I guess you do not know what "constantly" means.  Florida education?

[Hampton Josh fan]

41 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think in the cap-limited FA era if you expect a GM to stock the roster with quality depth down to the practice squad, you're going to be perennially disappointed.

 

There's all kinds of stuff about Milano's "attendance record" up thread.  Dodson can not be "perennial practice squad fodder" since he was on IR last season and played in 6 games this season before going on IR.  Whether he's gonna make a habit of this or will have that "availability" does remain to be seen. 

 

Phillips can not be "perennial practice squad fodder" since he was an UDFA rookie this season.

I meant these guys are not viable replacements for Milano or Edmunds and now we are left with Klein and the special teams ace from Pittsburgh as the only guys left. Lorax and Stanford were better than these poor souls.

[HOUSE]

9 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Let's hope Darron Lee is ready. 

 

[machine gun kelly]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

 

Im comin Lizabeth, I’m comin.  Good one House.  Dat da da Da dat.

 

As far as this silliness about Milano, look at the defense when he’s not on the field.  Dumb butt argument.  Sal and the guys this morning were suggesting they might sit him until after the bye so this doesn’t keep happening and given his two injuries, he needs the rest, and for the last time, HES NOT TOO FREAKIN SMALL!  He’s a sideline to sideline WIL LB and this isn’t the NFL of 1999 where you want Ray Lewis types.  LB’s across the league especially the WIL are in the 235lbs. Range, because they are needed to cover large geography and teams are passing at record rates.  Did some people forget how many passes he broke up last year and before his injuries this year.  

[Success]

I don't think it's a stretch to say that Milano is the heart of this defense.

 

He's the one guy who seems  to make that kind of difference. It's like night & day when he isn't in there...

 

[jahnyc]

Milano has been a very good player when healthy and seems to be a particularly good fit for the schemes that the Bills play on defense.  Unfortunate for him (and the Bills) that he has been injured this season.  His absence hurts the defense and the back-ups have played poorly.  Will be interesting to see if we can keep him with a short term contract or if another team will be willing to pay him notwithstanding that he will miss significant time this season and what some would characterize as being prone to injury  The salary cap will also be a factor in free agency, both for Milano's prospects for a long-term deal from the Bills or another team and the ability of the Bills to retain him on a short or longer term contract..

[Big Blitz]

I'm playing DeeJay Dallas in fantasy. 

 

*Ducks*

[Nihilarian]

While Bills fans are bemoaning this years defense they still sit at 14th in points allowed, 16th in yards. Last season the injury bug didn't bother Buffalo much, its hitting pretty hard this season. What can ya do?

 

6-2 Buffalo Bills vs 6-1 Seattle Seahawks.

 

Seahawks only loss coming against 5-2 Arizona 37-34. Wins, 2-6 Atlanta, 2-5 New England, 2-6 Dallas, 4-3 Miami, 2-5 Minnesota, 4-5 San Fran. They have beaten only one team with a winning record in week 4, Miami. 

 

Buffalo Bills, 0-8 Jets, 4-3 Dolphins, 5-3 Rams, 4-3 Raiders, 5-2 Titans, 7-1 Chiefs, 0-8 Jets, 2-6 Patriots. 5 of 8 games against good teams and their two losses against playoff teams in Chiefs, Titans. 

 

The Seattle Seahawks defense is far worse 24th in points allowed, 32nd in yards allowed. 32nd in passing yards allowed, 9th in rushing yards allowed.

 

Gee, I wonder how Buffalo will attack this Seahawks defense?

 

Buffalo has a shot if they can get their passing offense working like it did in the first four games. 

 

 

[Brit]

12 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Some just exaggerate when their point is weak.

 

I was taught this by my debate teacher: Exaggeration is a tool of those with weak arguments.

I've told people this exact same thing a million times.

[f0neguy]

7 minutes ago, Brit said:

I've told people this exact same thing a million times.

I see what you did there👍

[Bob in STL]

22 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

If I couldn't play in half the games because I was too hurt, I'd certainly consider it. 

^.  The mentality of the mediocre. 
 

Why not give him credit for trying to play despite the injury and for being a team player?  Nah, much easier to complain and find fault.  

[BuffaninSarasota]

19 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

A strain is a partial tear 

Thanks, I learned something new today .....!

[Tenhigh]

17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We are here ---->>>>>Impute to others views they've never held. 

Take an extreme position yourself. 

When called on it, behave as though you're persuading people to the position they actually held instead of the position they actually held

and

Complain that they're somehow misinterpreting or overinterpreting your extreme position

 

 

Horseradish, you silly boy!  I just went back and looked at your posts in this thread and diagrammed what you did.

Which I've seen before, in football threads.

 

But it's interesting that you see it as such.....

 

 

Promises!

I think you got caught talking politics on the main board and tried to walk it back with this nonsense above, but whatever. 

[Milanos Milano]

Pec strain? Have they thought about amputating it? 

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Brit said:

I've told people this exact same thing a million times.

 

2 hours ago, f0neguy said:

I see what you did there👍

 

With current technology it is possible someone does tell people a million times via tweets, texts, emails, etc.

[BADOLBILZ]

20 hours ago, Mango said:

Thanks for pointing that out. I was just using my scribble pad for work and grabbed the wrong number quickly. Don't tell my boss about how I spend company time!

I did use PFR, but used percentage compared to his peers not total percentage, since a player will rarely hit 100% of defensive snaps. Although Preston Brown and Jordan Poyer have come pretty close at times. I thought it was more fair. 

Even if you just remove 2017 entirely, Milano has only been on the field about 72% of the time compared to his peers. If 91% is the goal as 2019 would indicate, he has missed a sizable chunk.. A story that missed games doesn't really tell. 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you can expect Milano to miss between 5-6 games(30%-40%) worth of snaps every season going forward.

 

His list of injuries is so long and they are more than likely to have a cumulative effect.

 

But perhaps he could also go the Eric Wood route and basically dial his game back physically to stay on the field more.

 

Wood had a bunch of injuries early in his career that were probably the result of just playing harder than smarter at times........he dialed it back and stayed much healthier.

 

But without that hyper aggression he was overwhelmed in the power offense that Marrone ran and he played terribly(he even thought he'd get cut after the 2014 season).

 

Wood needed to be in motion more where he could focus on angles, playing a more athletic style,  which is what he got with Roman's offense.

 

Milano's wreckless abandon is what makes him so good though.........if they paid him $10M+ per and he stopped throwing his body horizontal to make plays I think he would lose effectiveness and get really unpopular in these parts.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

32 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

I think you can expect Milano to miss between 5-6 games(30%-40%) worth of snaps every season going forward.

 

His list of injuries is so long and they are more than likely to have a cumulative effect.

 

But perhaps he could also go the Eric Wood route and basically dial his game back physically to stay on the field more.

 

Wood had a bunch of injuries early in his career that were probably the result of just playing harder than smarter at times........he dialed it back and stayed much healthier.

 

But without that hyper aggression he was overwhelmed in the power offense that Marrone ran and he played terribly(he even thought he'd get cut after the 2014 season).

 

Wood needed to be in motion more where he could focus on angles, playing a more athletic style,  which is what he got with Roman's offense.

 

Milano's wreckless abandon is what makes him so good though.........if they paid him $10M+ per and he stopped throwing his body horizontal to make plays I think he would lose effectiveness and get really unpopular in these parts.

 

Well --- to be fair, him throwing his body horizontal to make plays is also what at times makes for spectacular misses and causes unpopularity.  So a bit less abandon if it led to surer tackling might be a wash.

 

I don't know about the whole cumulative injury thing.  I think some of his injuries are additive during a season - for example, playing with a hamstring injury may lead to him being enough inches out of position resulting in strain on his pec during the ensuing tackle.

 

I think it's possible that Milano could go more the Zo Alexander route where a combination of increased savvy at anticipating what's going to happen, combined with using every possible tool to strengthen all those stabilizer muscles (Pilates etc) and perhaps to train a bit more for speed vs strength, could lead to a long productive career.

 

In the Game thread I linked a Tasker/Brown interview with Greg Cosell about the Seasnakes game.  Stat I did not know: Bills play nickel on 88% of their snaps.  With AJ Klein at LB and Edmunds playing like he's forgotten how, that's understandable but it's also a disaster.  The Bills need to figure out something at LB this off season, Big Time.

PS I'm not entirely sure one can chalk up Wood's two broken legs in his first 3 seasons to "hyper aggression" rather than "***** happens".  It's not a point I'm going to delve into and debate though.  Other than the two broken legs that cost him 6 games each in 2 seasons, his only injury was an ankle that cost him 2 games.  I'm not saying you aren't correct about his playing style, just that I'm not sure there's a correlation with the injuries he actually experienced.  Ankles are ubiquitous on OLs.  That Wood was a poor fit for Marrone's blocking scheme and did much better with Roman is undeniable. 

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well --- to be fair, him throwing his body horizontal to make plays is also what at times makes for spectacular misses and causes unpopularity.  So a bit less abandon if it led to surer tackling might be a wash.

 

I don't know about the whole cumulative injury thing.  I think some of his injuries are additive during a season - for example, playing with a hamstring injury may lead to him being enough inches out of position resulting in strain on his pec during the ensuing tackle.

 

I think it's possible that Milano could go more the Zo Alexander route where a combination of increased savvy at anticipating what's going to happen, combined with using every possible tool to strengthen all those stabilizer muscles (Pilates etc) and perhaps to train a bit more for speed vs strength, could lead to a long productive career.

 

In the Game thread I linked a Tasker/Brown interview with Greg Cosell about the Seasnakes game.  Stat I did not know: Bills play nickel on 88% of their snaps.  With AJ Klein at LB and Edmunds playing like he's forgotten how, that's understandable but it's also a disaster.  The Bills need to figure out something at LB this off season, Big Time.

PS I'm not entirely sure one can chalk up Wood's two broken legs in his first 3 seasons to "hyper aggression" rather than "***** happens".  It's not a point I'm going to delve into and debate though.  Other than the two broken legs that cost him 6 games each in 2 seasons, his only injury was an ankle that cost him 2 games.  I'm not saying you aren't correct about his playing style, just that I'm not sure there's a correlation with the injuries he actually experienced.  Ankles are ubiquitous on OLs.  That Wood was a poor fit for Marrone's blocking scheme and did much better with Roman is undeniable. 

 

 

Every team has had injuries but it feels to me that the Bills were disproportionately harmed by the inability to have an offseason training program in Buffalo.

 

I think it had become a big advantage for them last year.

 

Maybe guys like Milano and John Brown who have had a lot of injuries in the past but less last year.....would have been banged up anyway.......but I think it helped keep players on the field more in 2019.

 

But we can't prove that.  

 

I also can't prove that Eric Wood changed his game but the play where he broke his leg he was locked in a test of strength with DT and had leverage and then it just snapped under that weight.  The rest of his career he was on skates in situations like that,  re-directing instead of trying to sumo-wrestle bigger DT's.

 

The ligament tear in his knee was a play where he was chasing down a troublesome pass rusher in Dallas looking to get in an extra shot on him downfield.    You could call that random misfortune......but he didn't need to be there he wasn't in front of the play and he certainly wasn't tracking down DeMarcus Ware until after he was on the ground on top of the ball carrier.

 

Fans love dumb sh*t like that and will defend the consequences vehemently.......see the reactions here to Cody Ford for that simply unnecessary hit he was penalized for in OT in the playoffs.   

 

Later in Eric Wood's career he wouldn't be found doing that stuff and he also wouldn't be found on the DL as much.