Expect trades this week

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, ytownblofan said:

 

I fully expect Harry Phillips to be shipped out. I would be surprised if we bring in 2 players just based on the compensation we would have to give up

I think there’s going to be cheap compensation for trades with folks happy to get anything while clearing space before next year. If you aren’t a contender and you are planning to have to cut a guy for the 2021 cap struggle - any pick you receive is a nice perk and you could potentially lessen the dead money.

 

[Beerball]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I think I feel sorry for him because I've watched the Bills ruin multiple QBs over the years.  

Let it go, EJ was not a good QB.

[Codyny13]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I would not be surprised to see us trade for Dunlap or Atkins from the Bengals.

Atkins has a bum knee that probably needs surgery. Eh. Dunlap, what is he at this point in his career? If we’re making a trade, I want a difference maker, not just some other guy, which is what we have on the edges.

[Sherlock Holmes]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

give me a tight end

Ask and you shall receive

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I think there’s going to be cheap compensation for trades with folks happy to get anything while clearing space before next year. If you aren’t a contender and you are planning to have to cut a guy for the 2021 cap struggle - any pick you receive is a nice perk and you could potentially lessen the dead money.

 

 

I tend to think this way too.  We will find out very soon.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Let's go all in for realzies... Joey Bosa or JJ Watt, plus Ryan Kerrigan and Harrison Smith. Would also love Rudolph at TE for cheap. Also of course go hard at McCaffrey and Vander Esch

[Seasons1992]

12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I would not be surprised to see us trade for Dunlap or Atkins from the Bengals.

 

Dunlap wants the bleep OUT of this town. I'd take him right this second.

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, Greg S said:

I wouldn't be surprised if a team like Dallas calls the Jets about Darnold. Yes the Cowboys suck but that whole division sucks. Didn't Dalton get hurt yesterday. The Jets look like they are ready to move on from Darnold as they are looking at Trevor Lawrence for the future.

Jets cannot afford to trade Darnold, get lucky and win 3 or 4 games, and then miss out on Lawrence in the draft.

 

Darnold will go after Lawrence has been acquired IMO, or the Jets know they are going to acquire him.  I.E., they have secured the #1 draft pick.  

 

 

[colin]

if we can ship out murphy and harrison philips (assuming the front office is done w harry) then i'll take mercilus and a big body from either of the NY teams.  if we are really gonna run a nickle only D, we need more D linemen.  i would like a real SAM but i don't know that we can change our scheme mid season.

[billsbackto81]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

This is a variant of the absolute worst take in the history of Bills message boards:  “[Insert superstar player’s name] would have sucked if we had drafted him because [insert excuse].”  What we know is that Allen is a franchise QB and Darnold is soon to be a backup somewhere.  And for the record, Allen has been better than Darnold well before he got Diggs, etc.

This is exactly correct. Josh was ballin' and showed glimpses of what he can be when all we had were Zay Jones, K. Benjamin, R. Foster, F. Gore and the other misfits.

18 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

Dunlap wants the bleep OUT of this town. I'd take him right this second.

Funny you mention this. Look at the first team name on best fits. Bills, Bills, Bills

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-trade-deadline-best-fits-for-bengals-who-want-out-including-a-j-green-and-carlos-dunlap/

[billsfan89]

3 hours ago, ytownblofan said:

 

I fully expect Harry Phillips to be shipped out. I would be surprised if we bring in 2 players just based on the compensation we would have to give up

 

Just put him on IR and trade for a true one tech. I think rather than trade him for a bag of peanuts it is probably better to IR him and allow him to fully recover from his 2019 injury. Then bring him back to 2021 camp and see how he performs. He was a stud the first five games of 2019 before his injury. I think he clearly hasn't recovered from that injury. Give him the rest of the season and offseason to fully get back before dumping him. 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

Does Star have a brother or cousin somewhere we can get?

[CSBill]

3 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said:

 

That hurts just watching it!

[whatdrought]

8 minutes ago, Tuel Time said:

Does Star have a brother or cousin somewhere we can get?

 

 

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2018/05/15/former-utah-bingham-high-defensive-tackle-lowell-lotulelei-is-retiring-from-football/

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Jets cannot afford to trade Darnold, get lucky and win 3 or 4 games, and then miss out on Lawrence in the draft.

 

Darnold will go after Lawrence has been acquired IMO, or the Jets know they are going to acquire him.  I.E., they have secured the #1 draft pick. 

 

It could just be me, but to my football eyes such as they are, the Jets are more likely to win a few games with Darnold than with Flacco

[Deadstroke]

3 hours ago, mannc said:

I don’t understand why so many people say they “feel sorry” for Darnold, as if he’s some budding superstar trapped in a situation beyond his control.  

'cause he's Josh's bud.

[Paup 1995MVP]

3 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Yeah he really had next to no shot in NYC, wonder how long or if he can ever regain his potential. It must be how players used to feel about getting traded/drafted by the Bills.  Sure does seem nice for a change.

Jets coaching has been pretty bad for awhile.  Todd Bowles and Adam Gase.  And Rex before them were all lousy.  (at least Rex was at the end w the Jets)  Darnold looks like a deer in headlights with any pressure on him.  He needs a new start someplace else with a coach who is going to build up the guys confidence.  Right now I don't know if he can even get to the level of say a Case Keenum.  The Bills coaching of Josh Allen has been solid.  But the second half of the schedule after playing the Patriots is going to be tough.  (Patriots game will not be easy either regardless of how they have been playing of late)  We'll see how competitive McDermott has us playing.  There is a big difference between being a decent coach and being a very good to elite coach.  These upcoming 9 games should give us some indication of what McDermott really is.     

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

I totally understand what you’re getting at.. but it can be argued Darnold was given a better chance to succeed from the get go. You seem to argue that 2019 was better because the Bills went out and got Josh some competent help... which I agree. 
 

Robby Anderson, Chris Herndon and Quincy Enunwa were much better options than Zay Jones, Robert Foster and a few games of Kelvin Benjamin in 2018. The Jets went out and got Bell and Crowder in 2019 when we got Brown and Beasley. It’s not like Darnold hasn’t been given weapons to use. 

 

This.

 

I think Darnold was placed in a better situation in 2018.  Experienced vet mentor QB in the room from the get-go, OC who had been with the team the previous year as QB coach so he knew the staff and the players, somewhat better OL IMO and better RBs, better WR.

 

But from there, despite fair attempts to add talent on offense to the Jets, Darnold suffered from bringing in (IMO) a bad HC with a ? OC (because unclear how much is Gase and how much is him, are they working together or against each other etc).

 

At this point, there's no doubt that Allen is in a better situation: continuity at OC and HC, much improved receiving corps, injured now but overall improvement on OL.

 

There's one other factor.  Allen is fundamentally a scrappy kid from nowhere who blossomed physically thus had his unattainable dream to be an NFL starting QB come into reach.  He's used to playing on teams where he basically WAS the offense, encouraging and lifting other players up, and leading the way.  Sam Darnold has a touch of the annointed about him IMO - played for a competitive HS, 4 star recruit, multiple scholarship offers to multiple good programs,  awards, Rose Bowl.  He's always played for good programs with good talent I believe (I don't follow college football so could be wrong).

Jon Feliciano quipped on twitter after the Titans game:

Probably some truth there.  Josh wants to play football and he don't care.  Protections break down?  Fine, I'll get myself out of trouble.  No run game?  Fine, I'll run.  Etc.

[Logic]

1 hour ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Let's go all in for realzies... Joey Bosa or JJ Watt, plus Ryan Kerrigan and Harrison Smith. Would also love Rudolph at TE for cheap. Also of course go hard at McCaffrey and Vander Esch

I have to admit I missed the origins of this "I have a crush on all the good white players in the NFL" schtick. 

I'm not sure how it started or what its deal is.



 

[Hampton Josh fan]

2 hours ago, Back the Blue said:

Owes it to the fanbase? 😂. The last thing a GM should do is be dictated to by the fans or media. 

20 years in purgatory, with incompetence at the helm, featuring numerous head coaches and qbs, and the fans support in a small market providing one of the top 3 homefield advantages in the NFL. Yea, he owes us.

[H2o]

1 hour ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Let's go all in for realzies... Joey Bosa or JJ Watt, plus Ryan Kerrigan and Harrison Smith. Would also love Rudolph at TE for cheap. Also of course go hard at McCaffrey and Vander Esch

Alright, now it just seems like you're naming guys from posters you have on the wall. 

[H2o]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Sam Darnold has a touch of the annointed about him IMO - played for a competitive HS, 4 star recruit, multiple scholarship offers to multiple good programs,  awards, Rose Bowl.  He's always played for good programs with good talent I believe (I don't follow college football so could be wrong).

Those USC teams did have all kinds of talent, especially his first year as the starter. The 2nd year they were trying to replace some guys on the OL and you saw what he looked like under pressure. There have also been multiple reports about him being an arrogant son of a biscuit dating back to his days at USC. I think he could still be a quality starter if put in the right system and under a coaching staff that knew what the heck they were doing.  

[Hampton Josh fan]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Owes it to the fan base - what a terrible sentiment. 
 

He owes it to the team to do what he can to win now AND ensure they can re-sign players and win in the future.

 

He does not owe the fan base anything.  His responsibility is to provide talent to the team and he has done that.  If he has an offer that makes sense and can help the team now and in the coming years - he will explore it and decide if it works.

 

The fan base wants immediate gratification and does not look long term or for what is good for the team and if they mess up - the fan base turns and blames others for doing something short sighted.  
 

I want a GM with a long term outlook to grow and nurture the team over the next 3-5-7 and 10 years to adjust to what is occurring and keep pushing forward.

Obviously you are a rational young fan that has not bled internally with this underachieving team. Finally our ownership group has assembled a tandem of coach and GM that has given desperate , long suffering and loyal 40 year fans a reason to believe, at the same time that the division has lost the GOAT. No, there is an urgency to making acquisitions, especially after taking a step back on defense after being dominant the previous 2 years. You be patient and look at long term big pictures,  not me anymore. 

[BritBill]

54 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

 

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2018/05/15/former-utah-bingham-high-defensive-tackle-lowell-lotulelei-is-retiring-from-football/

And a hunky looking cousin with a great name - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuifui_Moimoi

[Weatherman]

5 hours ago, Greg S said:

I wouldn't be surprised if a team like Dallas calls the Jets about Darnold. Yes the Cowboys suck but that whole division sucks. Didn't Dalton get hurt yesterday. The Jets look like they are ready to move on from Darnold as they are looking at Trevor Lawrence for the future.

I would call the Phins about Fitz or sign the wrong Josh from the Bucs practice squad.  

[Hampton Josh fan]

2 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I strongly disagree with this. First, Beane owes us nothing. We’re not even paying customers with no ticket sales lol. Even if we were teams owe nothing to fans. It’s their job and money on the line not ours. 
 

Second, the talent is there for the defense to be effective. It’s on the coaches to maximize these guys skill sets. It’s a puzzle and they’re putting it together. Moving Hughes to the other end spot so him and Addison are on the field together has begun to pay off in the pass rush. This New England game should tell a good story about the progress of the D. Beane is very limited on what moves he can make and ways to manipulate the cap here. This stud you seek will be extremely difficult to work into the cap situation. 

Stop making excuses, that's what executives do, move money around. The need for acquisitions is due to the defense being porous and not stopping good ,offenses, especially running teams(ie Tenn, KC , LA). The Beane signings have not been good so far and the reliance on Phillips, Milano, Wallace and Murphy have hurt us. The offense is good enough to make us competitive but this defense has to be better this season. Good GMs don't survive long term rebuilding projects because free agency changes the dynamic of teams. Fans have stayed loyal thru mind numbing incompetence in talent evaluation and coaching deficiencies. The GM must honor this loyalty and realize this is our opportunity. If fans want to support long, openended plans to fix things their doomed to mediocrity. I have had enough rationalizing the team is on the right track.

[DDCC]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We need a 1 tech and a TE badly. I know alot of names have come up. Get this done Beane.

It won’t be a tight end

[Rc2catch]

2 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Stop making excuses, that's what executives do, move money around. The need for acquisitions is due to the defense being porous and not stopping good ,offenses, especially running teams(ie Tenn, KC , LA). The Beane signings have not been good so far and the reliance on Phillips, Milano, Wallace and Murphy have hurt us. The offense is good enough to make us competitive but this defense has to be better this season. Good GMs don't survive long term rebuilding projects because free agency changes the dynamic of teams. Fans have stayed loyal thru mind numbing incompetence in talent evaluation and coaching deficiencies. The GM must honor this loyalty and realize this is our opportunity. If fans want to support long, openended plans to fix things their doomed to mediocrity. I have had enough rationalizing the team is on the right track.

So please enlighten us. You obviously are smart enough to know defenses do not get better during a season. 
What stud on defense are you trading for? Which elite talent you getting for under 3 million? 
You packaging Murphy in this trade to free up space? You got our 2nd round pick and Trent Murphy, who ya getting that magically fixes this defense and transforms it to elite status? 
It’s pretty easy to cry about what you want done and not offer any actual scenarios that would help your narrative. 
We have 3 million in cap. Can’t make many cuts to free any real money up. How many elite talents are available via trade? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

53 minutes ago, H2o said:

Alright, now it just seems like you're naming guys from posters you have on the wall. 

 

This

[thebandit27]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I would not be surprised to see us trade for Dunlap or Atkins from the Bengals.

The only reason that would surprise me is because I suspect Beane isn’t happy with what went down with Cinci at last year’s deadline.

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

 

 

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2018/05/15/former-utah-bingham-high-defensive-tackle-lowell-lotulelei-is-retiring-from-football/

Damn lol

[Hampton Josh fan]

56 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

So please enlighten us. You obviously are smart enough to know defenses do not get better during a season. 
What stud on defense are you trading for? Which elite talent you getting for under 3 million? 
You packaging Murphy in this trade to free up space? You got our 2nd round pick and Trent Murphy, who ya getting that magically fixes this defense and transforms it to elite status? 
It’s pretty easy to cry about what you want done and not offer any actual scenarios that would help your narrative. 
We have 3 million in cap. Can’t make many cuts to free any real money up. How many elite talents are available via trade? 

So you're in favor of standing pat, great. The Giants give away a good lb, Golden for a 6th to the Cards. The Jets swap late round picks with the Bucs, who play better run defense than us,for Steve MaClendon, their run stuffing lineman. How about Dunlap? He could be had for a late rounder. If you want me to scour the waiver wire, forget it. I'm just a fan, that's Beane's job. Defenses that were good, and regress, sometimes need to bring in a guy who can be productive. This is what defines good GMs. In our situation, the back end has been weakened by Wallace and Norman also. With Tre ,playing injured don't you think we need depth? If you're satisfied with the way this team gives up pts and run yards, I can't convince you.

 

 

[Rc2catch]

2 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

So you're in favor of standing pat, great. The Giants give away a good lb, Golden for a 6th to the Cards. The Jets swap late round picks with the Bucs, who play better run defense than us,for Steve MaClendon, their run stuffing lineman. How about Dunlap? He could be had for a late rounder. If you want me to scour the waiver wire, forget it. I'm just a fan, that's Beane's job. Defenses that were good, and regress, sometimes need to bring in a guy who can be productive. This is what defines good GMs. In our situation, the back end has been weakened by Wallace and Norman also. With Tre ,playing injured don't you think we need depth? If you're satisfied with the way this team gives up pts and run yards, I can't convince you.

 

 

Lol you don’t need to convince me. I never once said I’m happy as is or would be against a trade. Dunlap is an 8-10 million salaried player. Send them a 5th rounder sure. How do you get 8 million on the books when you only have 3 million to spend? You can’t just cut some of these guys even if they’re not producing because it does not free up cap room. Right? 

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Obviously you are a rational young fan that has not bled internally with this underachieving team. Finally our ownership group has assembled a tandem of coach and GM that has given desperate , long suffering and loyal 40 year fans a reason to believe, at the same time that the division has lost the GOAT. No, there is an urgency to making acquisitions, especially after taking a step back on defense after being dominant the previous 2 years. You be patient and look at long term big pictures,  not me anymore. 

Yeah - I mean living through the 0 for the 70’s, the end of OJ, Joe Ferguson, the lovely 2-14 mid eighties- you’re right - I never bled - I never sat in the end zone during the 51-3 playoff game and cheered and cried with my fellow fans.  
 

Yes - we finally have a tandem coach and GM that has given us reason to believe, but they do not owe us a trade that costs us in the future.  They owe us to be rational and smart - to make deals so that we can enjoy the next 10 years and be relevant - rather than make that deal that will look great and then when we can’t re-sign Milano and the defense gets worse next year - we go back to perpetual 7-9.

 

I think they have looked at the big picture and will do what is the best interest of this team now and going forward and if that means no trades - so be it and if that means multiple trades great.  I want them to do what they feel is in the best long term interest of the team.

[Hampton Josh fan]

3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Owes it to the fan base - what a terrible sentiment. 
 

He owes it to the team to do what he can to win now AND ensure they can re-sign players and win in the future.

 

He does not owe the fan base anything.  His responsibility is to provide talent to the team and he has done that.  If he has an offer that makes sense and can help the team now and in the coming years - he will explore it and decide if it works.

 

The fan base wants immediate gratification and does not look long term or for what is good for the team and if they mess up - the fan base turns and blames others for doing something short sighted.  
 

I want a GM with a long term outlook to grow and nurture the team over the next 3-5-7 and 10 years to adjust to what is occurring and keep pushing forward.

Grow and nurture, what is this a plant? 3-5-7 years. It's fans like you that have sanctioned ineptitude and abject failure for 25 years. This is a time when teams have to win or coaches and GMs get fired. No owner will give coaches and GMs 3-5-7 year outlooks. The turnover year to year changes the team profoundly. Expect more for your loyalty. If the ownership thinks fans want growth and production, maybe we'll finally get a Super Bowl.

[Sherlock Holmes]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

I have to admit I missed the origins of this "I have a crush on all the good white players in the NFL" schtick. 

I'm not sure how it started or what its deal is.



 

I love all players equally... but I have favorite players. I'm not required to want to sleep with every player equally FFS

2 hours ago, H2o said:

Alright, now it just seems like you're naming guys from posters you have on the wall. 

On this charge I am severely guilty... My cave is plastered with these players fatheads but I have made an alteration.. all the helmets are Bills helmets

[Hampton Josh fan]

9 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Lol you don’t need to convince me. I never once said I’m happy as is or would be against a trade. Dunlap is an 8-10 million salaried player. Send them a 5th rounder sure. How do you get 8 million on the books when you only have 3 million to spend? You can’t just cut some of these guys even if they’re not producing because it does not free up cap room. Right? 

Dunlap has been benched and he doesn't command a lot. He got his signing bonus and he wants out. I don't know why you're against exploring possibilities for improvement. This defense doesn't stop anybody. Look at the yardage we've allowed. I know players on teams that have given up are available for late rounders.

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, DDCC said:

It won’t be a tight end

So it'll be a soggy end?

[Mat68]

getting players on the team sooner doesnt help the seller.  Deadline forces team to make decisions.  Thats why there is more movement around the date. 

[Rc2catch]

5 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Dunlap has been benched and he doesn't command a lot. He got his signing bonus and he wants out. I don't know why you're against exploring possibilities for improvement. This defense doesn't stop anybody. Look at the yardage we've allowed. I know players on teams that have given up are available for late rounders.

I swear I’ve had better discussions with a wall. WHO IS AGAINST IT? Where did I ever say I was against it? I simply asked multiple times where do you get the cap space?