BBills88 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) Edited October 17, 2020 by BBills88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I got yer running game Wu right here: 3 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Woo! anyone else get this as a top 3 personality trait on Strengths Finder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Thanks for posting. As much as it shows Bills OL has work to do it shows how good Tenn D is. And also how poorly the Bills DL is playing compared to a well coached team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I think they really need to explore the perimeter quick game via pass and run vs KC. After watching that, makes me wonder how up to the task the interior OL would be against Chris Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, BBills88 said: Our o-line has been weak run blocking and finishing their blocks. Teams have scouted this too. Morse and Dawkins are having a good season, but the whole line looks like a cluster because a few pieces are not able execute their assignments and finish their blocks against 4 man fronts. Far too often I see them dancing inplace with d-linemen instead of moving them, allowing them to stay in their gap and shed them to make the stop. On the flip side both the running play calls and Singletary's penchant for dancing a bit behind the line makes the situation worse as they have to hold their initial blocks longer and that ability is usually not there or inconsistent at best. Daboll can do this unit favors by trying to keep the running plays straight forward and quick. And they need to emphasize that concept with Singletary - hit your gap fast. We need Ford to play with better leverage - keeping his feet under him, with more knee bend, and better pad level. The kid is pretty raw and has a ways to go, but the cupboard is not empty. Hoping getting some nasty back with Feliciano will help, though run blocking has not been his strength. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) Edited October 17, 2020 by ChevyVanMiller 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Survivor Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) Wu Tang Clan aint nuthin to ***** with. Edited October 17, 2020 by Bills Survivor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Running games & RBs don’t -and never have- woo’d me. Posting tip: learn to spell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I'm too old to woo anymore. All I gots left is woe. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Toejam 34 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 41 minutes ago, WideNine said: Hoping getting some nasty back with Feliciano will help, though run blocking has not been his strength. I have often thought that Feliciano was a very solid run blocker at the point of attack, at least he can get some movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Turf Toejam 34 said: I have often thought that Feliciano was a very solid run blocker at the point of attack, at least he can get some movement. He has always graded out middle tier as a guard some rankings have him as 35th out of 82 guards reviewed. That is not terrible, but he grades lower in his run blocking. I do like that he does finish blocks if he gets into the pads and has some nasty dog in him that this line needs. Edited October 17, 2020 by WideNine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, WideNine said: He has always graded out middle tier as a guard some rankings have him as 35th out of 82 guards reviewed. That is not terrible, but he grades lower in his run blocking. I do like that he does finish blocks if he gets into the pads and has some nasty dog in him that this line needs. I would gladly take 32 out of 85 score for a guard with want Ford and Winters have displayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I’m just glad Singletary’s penchant for running into his own blockers hasn’t resulted in a Sanchez 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 hour ago, WideNine said: He has always graded out middle tier as a guard some rankings have him as 35th out of 82 guards reviewed. That is not terrible, but he grades lower in his run blocking. I do like that he does finish blocks if he gets into the pads and has some nasty dog in him that this line needs. I very much doubt that Feliciano will supplant Ford, or Spain, or Winters at guard. If anything, he should replace either Boettger, or possibly Bates as backup C/G. But, Ford, Spain, and Winters have all played better than him, IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 It amazes me in the age of google. It only takes 5 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 4 hours ago, K-9 said: I got yer running game Wu right here: Swidgen! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Swidgen! San Francisco ####sucker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: San Francisco ####sucker! I miss that show so much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Just now, thebandit27 said: I miss that show so much Same here. Ended much too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Thanks for posting. As much as it shows Bills OL has work to do it shows how good Tenn D is. And also how poorly the Bills DL is playing compared to a well coached team. Ethan, your so dramatic, you jump on board every thread that presents any aspect that the Bills are not totally dominant in game to game. Do you now consider Sean McDermott to be a bad coach when you were tooting his horn not so long ago along with these other doomsday profits? Is our personnel now lacking talent that everyone was touting not so long ago? Sure the loss sucks, but Its one loss, one, in a long season, get yourself together man, nuthin but luv dude, but really? And that goes for the rest of the scared fans. Go Bills!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 If we don’t start running the ball, defenses will continue to play 2 deep zone, taking away the crossing and deep routes like Tennessee did, forcing Josh to dink and dunk down the field. If you start ramming to ball down their throat with the running game, one of those safeties will have to come closer to the box which will open up the back end. We need Feliciano’s attitude back on that line - Mongo sets the tone in the running game, Mongo smash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 8 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Ethan, your so dramatic, you jump on board every thread that presents any aspect that the Bills are not totally dominant in game to game. Do you now consider Sean McDermott to be a bad coach when you were tooting his horn not so long ago along with these other doomsday profits? Is our personnel now lacking talent that everyone was touting not so long ago? Sure the loss sucks, but Its one loss, one, in a long season, get yourself together man, nuthin but luv dude, but really? And that goes for the rest of the scared fans. Go Bills!!! I've been harping on the pass rush and the defense in general since the Houston collapse. Nothing new. Only 5 games played, plenty of time to turn it around. During McD's tenure his defense has been thrashed a game or two each season. Baltimore, New Orleans, Houston and a few other games over the last several years. He has had to take over playcalling at least once that we know of. But the defense has bounced back. He will need to do it with new faces. Maybe a healthy White and a semi-healthy Milano will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Thanks for posting. As much as it shows Bills OL has work to do it shows how good Tenn D is. And also how poorly the Bills DL is playing compared to a well coached team. Well, you were half right. Thinking a video can show something about which there's not a single frame on the film .... the Bills D ... is a classic case of thinking from what you already believe rather than what the evidence shows. Perfect example of confirmation bias. The video did show a lot about the Bills offense, though. 4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: I've been harping on the pass rush and the defense in general since the Houston collapse. Nothing new. Only 5 games played, plenty of time to turn it around. During McD's tenure his defense has been thrashed a game or two each season. Baltimore, New Orleans, Houston and a few other games over the last several years. He has had to take over playcalling at least once that we know of. But the defense has bounced back. He will need to do it with new faces. Maybe a healthy White and a semi-healthy Milano will help. More confirmation bias. "I've been harping on it." So it's proven. No, the defense has been consistently excellent through McDermott's term. They've been thrashed a game or two each season? Hey, fair enough. But that's what happens. Go back and look at the '85 Bears. They allowed and 38 points to the Dolphins and 28 points to the 2-14 Bucs. Every team and unit has a bad game or two. It's just a function of variability. The rest of your post makes total sense, though. You're right that the current state of affairs is concerning. But so far, that's all it is. Edited October 18, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Mc1320 said: If we don’t start running the ball, defenses will continue to play 2 deep zone, taking away the crossing and deep routes like Tennessee did, forcing Josh to dink and dunk down the field. If you start ramming to ball down their throat with the running game, one of those safeties will have to come closer to the box which will open up the back end. We need Feliciano’s attitude back on that line - Mongo sets the tone in the running game, Mongo smash. Yeah, I'm hoping Feliciano makes a real difference. Their pass blocking has been pretty good. But the run blocking less so, to these eyes anyway. 14 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: I very much doubt that Feliciano will supplant Ford, or Spain, or Winters at guard. If anything, he should replace either Boettger, or possibly Bates as backup C/G. But, Ford, Spain, and Winters have all played better than him, IMO. You may be right, but the media that were able to watch practices we couldn't see and they seem mostly to expect Feliciano to take over from Winters at RG. We'll see. Edited October 18, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 This thread was better when it was sponsored by The Nature Boy Ric Flair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 I have hated not having a FB all year. There are so many extra guys carried on game day for incredibly specialized ST roles. Nobody ever complains about them. But a FB can really help you out and allows you to run the ball a lot more consistently...but everyone complains that it’s a waste. Demarco was a target on here constantly but the guy was pretty solid. I was very concerned about our running game once I realized we had no FB. Now it’s week 6 and we are trying to run out of 11 personnel. It just doesn’t work. It’s dumb. Have a guy that can play FB (active) so we can run it, even if a team knows we are running it. At this point I feel like Knox would be best served as a FB. It’s another way to get the ball in his hands and you can give it to him without him having to catch it. The guy is struggling at TE. He hands are questionable at best. But once he has the ball, he’s an effective runner. Him playing a FB/Hback role would allow us to hand it off to him or toss it short. It gives us a whole other element to the run and pass game. Also it allows for a better TE to step in. I think it’s a move that can help everyone on the offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Thanks for the video! Be interesting to know with more sample size on the run game to see if the guards are as bad as this video is showing. If so it is hard for me to think Spain was playing bad enough that he is not a better answer than Winters/Ford combo as this video in its small size paints a bad picture. It could also be that the Bills are basically saying we will take the loss form bad run blocking by Winters/Ford for the benefits they are providing in pass protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Both our OL and DL need work. Morse is OK. Dawkins is barely above average and Williams has been very good. Both Guard spots need upgrades. I'd start Winters and Spain at RG and LG. Ford is a real disappointment so far. I hope he can pick it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Running game WEOs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 We are not multiple enough , we are running 4 wide too much and teams are figuring it out. We need a blocking back who can also make plays as well as a TE and then actually use them. Also our Oline is not great at run blocking ( not good at picking up the blitz either) its really been an issue the whole time McBeane have been here. On 10/17/2020 at 1:50 PM, Ethan in Portland said: Thanks for posting. As much as it shows Bills OL has work to do it shows how good Tenn D is. And also how poorly the Bills DL is playing compared to a well coached team. We are well coached we just dont have the talent on both sides of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 So now the Bills have a good QB and good receivers..and avg RBs and a bad o line and a poor defense.is this the Bills new 5 yr plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 9:50 AM, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I have hated not having a FB all year. There are so many extra guys carried on game day for incredibly specialized ST roles. Nobody ever complains about them. But a FB can really help you out and allows you to run the ball a lot more consistently...but everyone complains that it’s a waste. Demarco was a target on here constantly but the guy was pretty solid. I was very concerned about our running game once I realized we had no FB. Now it’s week 6 and we are trying to run out of 11 personnel. It just doesn’t work. It’s dumb. Have a guy that can play FB (active) so we can run it, even if a team knows we are running it. At this point I feel like Knox would be best served as a FB. It’s another way to get the ball in his hands and you can give it to him without him having to catch it. The guy is struggling at TE. He hands are questionable at best. But once he has the ball, he’s an effective runner. Him playing a FB/Hback role would allow us to hand it off to him or toss it short. It gives us a whole other element to the run and pass game. Also it allows for a better TE to step in. I think it’s a move that can help everyone on the offense. Not sure how knox would work but id give it a shot at this point, although his concussions are a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Juggernaut Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Moss should never see the field again. He looks like a slow high schooler out there. The fact they keep bringing him in for series at a time speaks volumes about our coaching staff's judgement. Edited October 20, 2020 by Bills Juggernaut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Our OLine & DLine need to be totally overhauled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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