The Dean Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Wiz said: BECAUSE THE CANTALOUPE FARMER DID IT AGAIN! Why can't a farmer elope? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dean said: Why can't a farmer elope? Because everyone thinks him and his sister just went on a trip to the rodeo??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Just now, The Wiz said: Because everyone thinks him and his sister just went on a trip to the rodeo??? Ah! Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Agree it shouldn't have been an Int, but he also shouldn't have thrown into double coverage either, particularly with a guy like Kroft on the receiving end. If it were Diggs back, then not as concerning taking the chance. Very similar to last years deep pass to DeMarco. Kroft did nothing wrong. He went up and caught the ball. Josh threw a perfect ball to him. It could have been anyone on the receiving end that could have had that called an int. If all the dB has to do is run over and grab the ball after the play is made then anyone is susceptible to an int. That's why the rules default to the receiver having possession if they both come end up holding on to the ball. I guess the refs did say Kroft pushed off but still has nothing to do with wrongly being called an int. I dont want Josh second guessing every throw that isn't wide open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Comebackkid said: Kroft did nothing wrong. He went up and caught the ball. Josh threw a perfect ball to him. It could have been anyone on the receiving end that could have had that called an int. If all the dB has to do is run over and grab the ball after the play is made then anyone is susceptible to an int. That's why the rules default to the receiver having possession if they both come end up holding on to the ball. I guess the refs did say Kroft pushed off but still has nothing to do with wrongly being called an int. I dont want Josh second guessing every throw that isn't wide open Agree not saying it was Krofts fault at all. My point just that if you're going to throw into double coverage, it's always risky so make the throw to a more athletic guy like a Digg's. If I were to bet on who would make a catch while being double teamed, Kroft would be one of the last guys I'd pick to throw to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I didn't mind the pass where the referee ruled it an interception. He threw a pass in the second tame where the window was just as tight. I think Diggs was the recipient. It turned into a big gain. Allen held on the the ball too long on at least a couple sacks. He's still young, but I can't give him the A+ because of that little bit of recklessness. I think an A or A- is fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 hours ago, rayray808 said: we need to be more critical no, we don't. We need to enjoy the ride while the kid continues to progress. He is on track/ahead of schedule. His floor has risen to "Playoff caliber QB" and his ceiling remains "Next guy after Mahomes". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 LOL at B+ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Crayola64 said: a 5 touchdown game, including a game winning 4th quarter drive. As always, your explanation doesn't justify your odd grade I think he pulled the grade down because he felt Allen attempted to make some ill advised plays in the 4th quarter that a Franchise QB does not make, * The attempted lateral to the RB on the right side line * The big sack on 1st down that cost another 12 yards * The face mask penalty * The fumble-recovery by Donald and the ensuing penalty * The INT that changed the rhythm of the game. There are times where you should feel that it is better to punt the ball rather than play Hero ball. Allen played like a true Franchise QB, but needs to eliminate mistakes (with the bigger picture in mind) and play situational football if he wants to win the SB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ganesh said: I think he pulled the grade down because he felt Allen attempted to make some ill advised plays in the 4th quarter that a Franchise QB does not make, * The attempted lateral to the RB on the right side line * The big sack on 1st down that cost another 12 yards * The face mask penalty * The fumble-recovery by Donald and the ensuing penalty * The INT that changed the rhythm of the game. There are times where you should feel that it is better to punt the ball rather than play Hero ball. Allen played like a true Franchise QB, but needs to eliminate mistakes (with the bigger picture in mind) and play situational football if he wants to win the SB yea franchise QBs don’t have Donald strip sack them or throw an interception. 3 hours ago, JY422 said: Russell Wilson May have something to say about this. Using your argument... IF they both duplicate the current numbers they are producing it will be the two greatest QB performances in history but Russell would win MVP. im assuming neither are going to keep up their pace. So if either do, they are winning MVP. Like you said, it would be the two greatest QB seasons ever Edited September 28, 2020 by Crayola64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: One thing is for sure: Allen is our long term QB. Passing yards and passing TDs are coming every week. We hit in that draft pick. Hrs definitely not a bust (Darnold might be). Now the question is how good Allen can be. It's exciting! biggest thing is we see this year he can put up big passing numbers, this was always the fear with Allen. That he was going to be this 150-200 yard 2TD guy. He fixed a lot of his issues, if he keeps improving on those little mistakes and keeps up the consistency for 4Q's we are talking about a future top 5 QB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 hours ago, FireChans said: When the QB drops the ball and the opponent picks it up on the 5, it puts added pressure on the defense. It's a team game. He didnt just drop the ball. He was whipped around like a rag doll by his collar. I think most QBs probably would drop the ball there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 To clarify with the INT: debate the call all you want. It was a TERRIBLE throw that I have not seen him attempt since his rookie year. A cross body heave into the wilderness. For a QB on his THIRD YEAR to be in the A range, you simply do not attempt plays like that. Couple that with the others and you have a B+. Yes we won, and that is awesome. Yes he is a gamer, that is obvious by now. However, if you guys want Super Bowls? You gotta get rid of stuff like that... plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: He needs to throw it away earlier, especially when rolling left. Agreed. It seems to me like he’s just so confident in his ability to escape sacks, that he waits til the last second. Too often, but man, it’s exciting watching him shrug off these behemoths on the reg. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 35 minutes ago, NewEra said: Agreed. It seems to me like he’s just so confident in his ability to escape sacks, that he waits til the last second. Too often, but man, it’s exciting watching him shrug off these behemoths on the reg. I do want Josh to play like how he does. Even in that final drive, on one play he inhibited himself..He attempted a lateral pass to the receiver on the right inside of continuing to run. The place where he ended up landing was 5 yards more than the place where the receive would have caught the ball. And there was already a defender to stop the receiver from going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 9 hours ago, rayray808 said: WEEK ONE: B+ WEEK TWO: A+ WEEK THREE: B+ 24/33 - 73% completion - 311 yards - 4 TDs 1 INT - 8 yards rushing - 1 rushing TD - 1 fumble Before the pitchforks come out regarding my grade let me make one thing clear: Josh had some really bad plays that could/should have lost us the game... we still won, but it does not erase those head scratching, game crippling plays. You take those away? He has another A+ game. All I ask is you don't let the flashy fantasy scores blind your assessment of his play this week. With that said, here is what I loved: - Flawless first half of football. He was in command at all times and showed franchise qualities that he is indeed the dude. - Trusting his WR's and spreading the ball all around the field - a mix of fastballs and loft change ups - his touch is unreal right now (Diggs laser in the endzone vs Ramsey was amazing) - He is our offense. 5 TD's total most importantly... - when things were bad, and we knew it was Josh Allen time, deep down I knew he would somehow pull it off. It reminded me of watching Brett Favre back in the day, or even Rodgers now. The 3rd down and long to Beez was just amazing. Then to follow it up with a game winner was must see TV! As Josh progresses and starts becoming weekly MVP talk, we need to be more critical and hopefully clean up the head scratching moments. Yes, maybe the INT should not have counted, but it did and lead to a complete snowball effect of a Rams comeback. Yes, when he avoids the blitz he sometimes makes nice throws down the field however yelling at a ref after a play and taking sacks in moments where we absolutely cannot allow it just cannot happen if we want to win playoff games. Need proof? Watch our last playoff game. Overall, Josh is playing at an incredible level and as a Bills fan I could not be happier. I invested tons of $$ in his rookie cards 3 years ago and right now those prices have absolutely sky rocketed. People are starting to believe, and I am sure networks are calling the league right now trying to get more Josh Allen on TV. B+ vs A-, who cares. We should all be celebrating as Bills fans. We have waited a LOOOONG TIME for this. GO BILLS! 😳 You’re trying to hold Allen to a standard you’ve set in your mind. Which is fine. You be you. I just hate reading it every Sunday night. Josh is Josh. He’ll likely always be both good and bad, given his incredible desire to win and possessing the rare physical tools necessary to achieve it. Ergo, your ‘Jekyll & Hyde assessment’ will never change, which makes it pretty meaningless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 12 hours ago, Peace Frog said: Totally disagree with you. Without Josh, we are 0-3. 1-2, Booger McFarland playing QB in a Hoveround beats the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Some point last year he stopped throwing interceptions. Hoping this is the turning point for fumbles. Most annoying part of his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 11 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Agree it shouldn't have been an Int, but he also shouldn't have thrown into double coverage either, particularly with a guy like Kroft on the receiving end. If it were Diggs back, then not as concerning taking the chance. Very similar to last years deep pass to DeMarco. Funny, all the other QBs get praised for throwing jump balls to their big targets downfield who are physical mismatches and can go up and highpoint the ball and come down with it (see: SNF). Just not Allen, it's reckless when he does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 hours ago, rayray808 said: To clarify with the INT: debate the call all you want. It was a TERRIBLE throw that I have not seen him attempt since his rookie year. A cross body heave into the wilderness. For a QB on his THIRD YEAR to be in the A range, you simply do not attempt plays like that. Couple that with the others and you have a B+. Yes we won, and that is awesome. Yes he is a gamer, that is obvious by now. However, if you guys want Super Bowls? You gotta get rid of stuff like that... plain and simple. Some of these arguments on this thread just baffle me. A throw that lands in his receivers hands is now a heave into the wilderness. If this is how far we have to strain to criticize the QB, then I'm satisfied the Bills got their guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 9 hours ago, FireChans said: Weird. I saw a lot of Herbert praise for hanging in there with the Chiefs. Not so much, "Pat Mahomes is unbelievable with 2 TD's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Maybe we listen to different stations. Agreed. Indeed I have heard multiple people this week question the Chiefs slow starts and whether Mahomes and Reid combined need to change some things up in the first quarter especially. Yes people said he made an amazing play on the long touchdown late but nobody I have heard said Mahomes played a good game. He decidedly didn't. 7 hours ago, Comebackkid said: Kroft did nothing wrong. He went up and caught the ball. Josh threw a perfect ball to him. It could have been anyone on the receiving end that could have had that called an int. If all the dB has to do is run over and grab the ball after the play is made then anyone is susceptible to an int. That's why the rules default to the receiver having possession if they both come end up holding on to the ball. I guess the refs did say Kroft pushed off but still has nothing to do with wrongly being called an int. I dont want Josh second guessing every throw that isn't wide open I do think Kroft pushed off but then I saw almost the exact same push off go uncalled in SNF. As you say though, that is irrelevant to the INT. I think it should have been a completed pass, negated by an OPI penalty, replay 1st down. 1st and 28 from the Bills 11 yard line. While that puts us behind the sticks I am not betting against this Josh Allen getting 28 yards in 3 plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, The Dean said: And 1 INT, even thought it was a BS call. I’m not counting it. It is the same way that I handled the 1st game Tyrod played where they lined him up as a WR on the first play and then went in at QB. That was a win for him in my book and this asinine INT will be viewed the same way. Edited September 28, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JY422 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 6 hours ago, rayray808 said: To clarify with the INT: debate the call all you want. It was a TERRIBLE throw that I have not seen him attempt since his rookie year. A cross body heave into the wilderness. For a QB on his THIRD YEAR to be in the A range, you simply do not attempt plays like that. Couple that with the others and you have a B+. Yes we won, and that is awesome. Yes he is a gamer, that is obvious by now. However, if you guys want Super Bowls? You gotta get rid of stuff like that... plain and simple. I disagree. Most great QBs have an undying belief in their arm and a high level trust in the guys they are throwing to. Go down the list of greats (Marino, Kelly, Elway, Manning, Favre, Rogers, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Mahomes, etc.) They all forced throws like that at times throughout their careers. Sometimes it worked out... other times... not so much. what do all of those QBs have in common? They all played in Super Bowls. Do I think JA should have thrown that ball? Nope. But at the end of the day... that‘s what makes him who he is. You can’t completely coach that out of him and expect him to still be the gunslinger who has “ice in his veins” and wins 1/3 of every game he plays in on game winning drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Ralonzo said: Funny, all the other QBs get praised for throwing jump balls to their big targets downfield who are physical mismatches and can go up and highpoint the ball and come down with it (see: SNF). Just not Allen, it's reckless when he does it. Not sure which play you're referring to from Sunday night as I didn't see all the game. If I had to guess though it would be a Michael Thomas type of player. As I said I'd have no problem with Allen throwing a pass like that to Diggs or a Gabe Davis who is a physical mismatch. While Kroft certainly is very tall, I'd question his ability to out jump those around him. Allen can make passes very few others can make, but he also needs to be smarter about it too and not throw into double coverage when there was a guy open underneath that would have given them enough for the 1st down. I think that was part of the Bills problem yesterday once they had the lead. You want to take time off the clock as best you can typically by running the ball. For the Bills the pass is working better, so OK throw it, but take short throws that are similar to runs, more are completed so so keeps the clock running. The defense ended up being on the field most of the 2nd half as the Bills couldn't keep drives going much once they had the lead. Certainly two turnovers didn't help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not counting it. It is the same way that I handled the 1st game Tyrod played where they lined him up as a WR on the first play and then went. That was a win for him in my book and this asinine INT will be viewed the same way. My view is I don't count it for the purposes of his evaluation. The stat is what it is. But anyone criticising Allen for throwing a pick is nuts. Call it an ill advised throw if you must, but even if you take that view it was an ill advised throw he got away with. Until a ref who must have some sort of disturbance to his brain function got involved. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 E+ for Emotional and explosive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Not sure which play you're referring to from Sunday night as I didn't see all the game. If I had to guess though it would be a Michael Thomas type of player. As I said I'd have no problem with Allen throwing a pass like that to Diggs or a Gabe Davis who is a physical mismatch. While Kroft certainly is very tall, I'd question his ability to out jump those around him. He did out jump those around him though. And he caught the ball. He did push off so OPI. But he out jumped them, caught it, and came to the ground with possession. In the eyes of anyone with eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Not sure which play you're referring to from Sunday night as I didn't see all the game. If I had to guess though it would be a Michael Thomas type of player. As I said I'd have no problem with Allen throwing a pass like that to Diggs or a Gabe Davis who is a physical mismatch. While Kroft certainly is very tall, I'd question his ability to out jump those around him. TD throw to Marcedes Lewis IIRC, and Cris Codswallop commented after the break about throwing the ball up there to let your big target go "rebound that basketball." While a lesser yardage there's similarity to the Kroft play with the small push-off (not called because Saints get screwed more than Bills) and the late help coming from inside. Edit: found it Edited September 28, 2020 by Ralonzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Highest grade should be an A lowest grade should be an A-, anything lower than that and your grading system is flawed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: My view is I don't count it for the purposes of his evaluation. The stat is what it is. But anyone criticising Allen for throwing a pick is nuts. Call it an ill advised throw if you must, but even if you take that view it was an ill advised throw he got away with. Until a ref who must have some sort of disturbance to his brain function got involved. I really can’t wrap my head around how they deemed that the defense DEFINITELY intercepted that. Dual possession goes to the offense. They ruled that the DB definitely had that. 🤯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I really can’t wrap my head around how they deemed that the defense DEFINITELY intercepted that. Dual possession goes to the offense. They ruled that the DB definitely had that. 🤯 Kroft's ass was CLEARLY on the ground with both hands still on the ball. There was a frame where it was as clear and obvious as possible. Even if the defender had his hands on it at that point it is, at worst, simultaneous possession. Mind boggling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDCC Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Silly topic. Allen is great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) b+ 24/33 - 73% completion - 311 yards - 4 TDs 1 INT - 8 yards rushing - 1 rushing TD - 1 fumble Just stop JFC... B+ with these stats. this worse than the "Tre is Meh" thread, impressive. Bills fan at the finest... Probably a relative of someone that thought Frank should be the starter over Jim. Edited September 28, 2020 by gordong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Ralonzo said: TD throw to Marcedes Lewis IIRC, and Cris Codswallop commented after the break about throwing the ball up there to let your big target go "rebound that basketball." While a lesser yardage there's similarity to the Kroft play with the small push-off (not called because Saints get screwed more than Bills) and the late help coming from inside. Edit: found it I thought that was a push off too. I thought both were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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