Orlando Tim Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, loedward22 said: I haven't heard this question discussed anywhere (TV, post game radio, nor on here). If they call it an interception on the field, don't they need conclusive evidence to overturn it? Therefore the problem was them calling it an interception on the field, and there not being anything conclusive to overturn it. From every angle they showed it was a fifty fifty which is the opposite of conclusive... The conclusive proof is that Kroft had it initially and never lost control completely until he hit ground. The rule is clear that if a guy has it and then it becomes a 50/50 ball to the ground the initial guy gets it, I also believe on a 50/50 the offense gets benefit of doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loedward22 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: 50/50 actually is conclusive per the NFL rulebook. In the event of a simultaneous catch the tie goes to the offense. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball. I understand that being the case live, but once something has been called an interception and they have to review it, then it seems to me like the standard has changed (as it now needs to be conclusive).... Is there any precedence for this situation and if so how was it handled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, loedward22 said: I understand that being the case live, but once something has been called an interception and they have to review it, then it seems to me like the standard has changed (as it now needs to be conclusive).... Is there any precedence for this situation and if so how was it handled? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXGFZkIEMK0&ab_channel=NFL That play is close, but not exactly the same. The refs ruled that a TD (simultaneous catch) and let the play stand after review. My thought for today's play: If the replay is inconclusive, doesn't that mean it was a simultaneous catch? Which by definition would go to the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, loedward22 said: I haven't heard this question discussed anywhere (TV, post game radio, nor on here). If they call it an interception on the field, don't they need conclusive evidence to overturn it? Therefore the problem was them calling it an interception on the field, and there not being anything conclusive to overturn it. From every angle they showed it was a fifty fifty which is the opposite of conclusive... Except it was conclusive that Kroft caught the ball and was tackled by a guy grabbing the ball. It should have been an easy call as Perria stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I think Peirera had it right. Kraft has possession and as soon as he got touched the play should have been dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: I think Peirera had it right. Kraft has possession and as soon as he got touched the play should have been dead. Yes, the defender would've had to get clear possession before Kroft hit the ground. There is no way to over turn that call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 No question, Kroft has possession and never loses it until down. Play should have been dead. Terrible call. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, loedward22 said: I haven't heard this question discussed anywhere (TV, post game radio, nor on here). If they call it an interception on the field, don't they need conclusive evidence to overturn it? Therefore the problem was them calling it an interception on the field, and there not being anything conclusive to overturn it. From every angle they showed it was a fifty fifty which is the opposite of conclusive... The NFL's explanation, complete with a photo that appears to show that the explanation is BS https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/nfl-explains-why-controversial-interception-was-not-overturned/article_3144b798-00fc-11eb-b691-d383bab887e8.html And the clip of the play if you like: https://www.nfl.com/videos/john-johnson-iii-rips-jump-ball-from-tyler-kroft-for-critical-int 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Slacks Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: 50/50 actually is conclusive per the NFL rulebook. In the event of a simultaneous catch the tie goes to the offense. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball. I would like to chime in. 50/50 should be out of the question. Kroft catches the ball outside his frame and brings the ball in. Then the defender reaches in and grabs at the ball as they go to the ground. This call should never happen. Then the replay To review turnovers is there specifically for this reason. So referees can overturn bad calls on the field in critical situations. This call was wrong on like 3 different levels. That being said they wouldn’t have been able to overturn the offensive pass interference call which most likely ends in a punt. But at least we make them have to work more field on offense. still this was just a horrible call. I’d argue just as blatantly obvious as the Nickel Roby Colman pasa interfere against the Saints a couple years back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said: No question, Kroft has possession and never loses it until down. Play should have been dead. Terrible call. Horrendous. Awful. Lose your job call. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Slacks Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, loedward22 said: I understand that being the case live, but once something has been called an interception and they have to review it, then it seems to me like the standard has changed (as it now needs to be conclusive).... Is there any precedence for this situation and if so how was it handled? More than enough evidence to overturn the call. It was a clean catch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Horrendous. Awful. Lose your job call. Yes! Who actually looked over the replay and confirmed it? They need to go. Is Riveron gone? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: If this is how the Bills D is going to play against top teams, they will be lucky to win 30% of those games. Hopefully they learned some things today... What teams are those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said: Yes! Who actually looked over the replay and confirmed it? They need to go. Is Riveron gone? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Gene1973 said: Chiefs, Steelers, Patriots X2, Cardinals... The same Cardinals that just lost to the Lions? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 If any QB had 300 yards, 5 TDs, and 35 points and 2 turnovers in a win, it would be extremely difficult to not be B+ or more. The fact he took the team the whole length of the field in the last three minutes and scored to win the game and not let the other team have a chance to win, how could that not be an A? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, Fred Slacks said: I would like to chime in. 50/50 should be out of the question. Kroft catches the ball outside his frame and brings the ball in. Then the defender reaches in and grabs at the ball as they go to the ground. This call should never happen. Then the replay To review turnovers is there specifically for this reason. So referees can overturn bad calls on the field in critical situations. This call was wrong on like 3 different levels. That being said they wouldn’t have been able to overturn the offensive pass interference call which most likely ends in a punt. But at least we make them have to work more field on offense. still this was just a horrible call. I’d argue just as blatantly obvious as the Nickel Roby Colman pasa interfere against the Saints a couple years back. Agree this wasn’t even 50-50 he caught it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Not sure how many on here are listeners of the ATN podcast, but I for one am looking forward to Wessling shutting up the salty AFC east fans (Gregg and Dan) when they start talking about Allen's struggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: 50/50 actually is conclusive per the NFL rulebook. In the event of a simultaneous catch the tie goes to the offense. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball. I think 50/50 what?? Then that dirty diaper Rivera jumps quickly (too quickly) to defend another of his crews BS Bills calls saying "The process of the catch had not yet been completed...". Clean catch, no bobble, goes to the ground, and the play is over. It is a completed catch...does not matter if s defender comes in later to rip it out of a receiver's hands.. wtf process is he talking about. It is very clear and obvious in the replays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: Chiefs, Steelers, Patriots X2, Cardinals, 49ers... They are going to score 35 and lose to the Steelers who haven’t scored 30 yet this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: The same Cardinals that just lost to the Lions? OK, CHIEFS, STEELERS, PATRIOTS X 2, and another team to be named at a later date! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: What a load of crap. That’s what replay is for, to right an obvious wrong. I hate him even more, if that were even possible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: They are going to score 35 and lose to the Steelers who haven’t scored 30 yet this year? OK CHIEFS, PATRIOTS x 2, and some other teams but not necessarily the STEELERS unless they start scoring 36 ppg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: If this is how the Bills D is going to play against top teams, they will be lucky to win 30% of those games. Hopefully they learned some things today... So far they won 100% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, WideNine said: I think 50/50 what?? Then that dirty diaper Rivera jumps quickly (too quickly) to defend another of his crews BS Bills calls saying "The process of the catch had not yet been completed...". Clean catch, no bobble, goes to the ground, and the play is over. It is a completed catch...does not matter if s defender comes in later to rip it out of a receiver's hands.. wtf process is he talking about. It is very clear and obvious in the replays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Riveron is basically the union foreman. He’s always gonna defend his guys on the field. It’s a broken system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I'm sure someone has already posted this but, wow, the nerve of getting upset over this. I agree that the PI probably shouldn't have been called but after the bogus INT they got it was certainly a make up. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29988584/rams-decry-costly-pass-interference-call-led-bills-go-ahead-td-even-catchable-ball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Sry if this was discussed later in the thread, but I gotta ask before I browse rest - what Morse means by Kroft getting "BS deal last year"? Does he mean he got bad deal from Beane? I am somewhat confused. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, No_Matter_What said: Sry if this was discussed later in the thread, but I gotta ask before I browse rest - what Morse means by Kroft getting "BS deal last year"? Does he mean he got bad deal from Beane? I am somewhat confused. His foot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, No_Matter_What said: Sry if this was discussed later in the thread, but I gotta ask before I browse rest - what Morse means by Kroft getting "BS deal last year"? Does he mean he got bad deal from Beane? I am somewhat confused. I think he meant the injuries he has been dealt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Hogwash. totally bill**** Kroft caught the ball period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Talley56 said: I'm sure someone has already posted this but, wow, the nerve of getting upset over this. I agree that the PI probably shouldn't have been called but after the bogus INT they got it was certainly a make up. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29988584/rams-decry-costly-pass-interference-call-led-bills-go-ahead-td-even-catchable-ball It's a bunch of crap why do they think Josh threw it there he could see it from where he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishRifle Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Just for some perspective: Isn’t it great they we are talking about NFL football! No one could tell you a month ago that we’d absolutely have 3 weeks of football in the books. Add to that, the Bills are 3-0 with Josh Allen straight up balling. C’mon, where else would you rather be than right here, right now!! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: OK, CHIEFS, STEELERS, PATRIOTS X 2, and another team to be named at a later date! Chiefs and oh wait pats maybe or maybe man if the Seahawks play like the way they are today against good teams.... Even though they are playing a good team... like the Bills just did this is the nfl not college. No game is easy. Every matchup is different 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said: What a load of crap. That’s what replay is for, to right an obvious wrong. I hate him even more, if that were even possible. Apparently Kroft needs to outwrestle folks for the ball while on the ground, after he makes a catch, and after the whistle has blown, as the process of catching the ball is still going on... ...didn't the whistle blow well before either got up so exactly when did the possession change? What a truckload of crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 But they allowed 31 points how is it possible, oh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: But they allowed 31 points how is it possible, oh Uh oh Seattle gonna have many threads about coaching and how defense is a huge problem. Well... all the talk is about the PI and not about the game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Nobody in the league is playing any defense so far this season. Nobody. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: Nobody in the league is playing any defense so far this season. Nobody. True 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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