thunderingsquid Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Dr Herbert. Beat me to it. 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 The good news for Tyrod is he’s about to be quite rich (not that he wasn’t already). It’s going to be interesting to watch this situation unfold from a liability and work comp standpoint. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) I figure this has to get more views. When we were down in Miami a bunch of years back. That's me of course channeling my inner @Gugny Hey! Bills won... You would too! Edited September 23, 2020 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 What else can happen in 2020? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WideNine Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 47 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: OK... that is a real confidence-builder. Ribs, lungs, close enough:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Maybe Tyrod was just trying to elude a direct hit. That’s his best quality as a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 The Chargers fans should be thanking DR Doom (just don't let him near Hebert) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The good news for Tyrod is he’s about to be quite rich (not that he wasn’t already). It’s going to be interesting to watch this situation unfold from a liability and work comp standpoint. Incredibly naive and one of the problems with healthcare. Complications and bad outcomes happen. It does not automatically mean a lawsuit is justified. A complication does not equal malpractice. I would guess this is an excellent and well-trained physician who feels horrible and is embarrassed that this happened and now has the world judging him/her. Hopefully the Chargers followed all customary processes of informed consent, etc, or then in that case they could have a problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, PirateHookerMD said: Incredibly naive and one of the problems with healthcare. Complications and bad outcomes happen. It does not automatically mean a lawsuit is justified. A complication does not equal malpractice. I would guess this is an excellent and well-trained physician who feels horrible and is embarrassed that this happened and now has the world judging him/her. Hopefully the Chargers followed all customary processes of informed consent, etc, or then in that case they could have a problem. It’s not naive at all. I work in insurance and watch work comp and malpractice all day long. Any lawyer worth $.10 will be able to talk through this. He was supposed to be starting a game for a NFL almost immediately after this. This isn’t one of those “are you sure you want to go through with this” situations. Was the doctor working on behalf of the player or the team? If they can link this to him losing his job and his future earnings because of that they are screwed. This one is pretty simple from that standpoint. It’s just a matter of where the number ends up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 41 minutes ago, TroutDog said: I really feel for him. That is so terrible and sad. Say what you want about Tyrod, but he was always a standup guy (and still appears to be). Me too. Imagine being TT and sitting there hearing Herbert is having a strong game while at the hospital recovering from a doctors mistake. He must have been so frustrated and pissed knowing that this probably cost him his job. And worse yet, it’s going to turn the fans on him too because the moment TT struggles all the boos will come strong as they will want the new kid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) Poor TT... lousy turn for him. Once again sitting out with a winning record. Edited September 23, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Tyrod wasn't doing a good enough job killing his last chance to be QB1? Send in the doc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 52 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said: MD here, known complication, can do everything right and ***** happens. Thanks for that info. I'd posit that perhaps medical innovation needs to get to the point where puncturing a lung isn't a known complication for something like administering a painkiller. Unfortunately a great deal of money for medical innovation is going to fix people's erections and not more effective tools for accomplishing more mundane everyday tasks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Guess the Dr was sick of Tyrod Starting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s not naive at all. I work in insurance and watch work comp and malpractice all day long. Any lawyer worth $.10 will be able to talk through this. He was supposed to be starting a game for a NFL almost immediately after this. This isn’t one of those “are you sure you want to go through with this” situations. Was the doctor working on behalf of the player or the team? If they can link this to him losing his job and his future earnings because of that they are screwed. This one is pretty simple from that standpoint. It’s just a matter of where the number ends up. It is exceptionally common for players to get nerve blocks, toradol injections, etc prior to games. I disagree with your assertion that any lawyer gets a payout here if proper informed consent was obtained. Guess we will find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 No laughing matter, a punctured lung can kill you. This guy should be stripped of his medical license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: He must have took the under on Tyrod's starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, Freddie's Dead said: No laughing matter, a punctured lung can kill you. This guy should be stripped of his medical license. Any responsibility on the guy who broke his ribs in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said: No laughing matter, a punctured lung can kill you. This guy should be stripped of his medical license. Almost every single pulmonologist/anesthesiologist who regularly does thoracentesis or nerve blocks has likely had a pneumothorax. It just happens. It is disheartening to see everyone immediately crucify the physician here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Where did they get this Dr??? The VA? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Maybe the doc has Herbert on his fantasy team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Stuff like this is more common than we want to admit. Perhaps not in the NFL, but it is in the general administering of medical care in the US and around the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 40 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: It's amazing the pain and punishment these guys put their bodies through to play the game. I broke my ribs in a mountain biking accident in June and I could barely sleep for 3 weeks, and coughing or sneezing felt like getting hit with a baseball bat. These guys just take a shot, go out and get pummeled by 300 pound he-men. Also the shot does not make the pain go away. It just goes from stabbing to throbbing. I had a stress fracture that was misdiagnosed as something else by a dumbarse physio on OKC. I was told I could row through it without making anything worse, that it was "just about pain management" I was getting shots and taking dos packs, plus wrapping my ribs to practice 2-3 times per day. I went through World Championship selection on it. I actually raced the Canadian Team on it. It still hurt like hell every.single.day. all day....until my rib finally flat out broke just warming up one morning. Agassi talks about it too. Cortisone never made his back 100% it just made it bearable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, PirateHookerMD said: Almost every single pulmonologist/anesthesiologist who regularly does thoracentesis or nerve blocks has likely had a pneumothorax. It just happens. It is disheartening to see everyone immediately crucify the physician here. Agreed. If the doctor had his way, people wouldn't do half the stupid stuff they do. Before someone gets on me for what I said about Milano and Edmunds, my stance is don't get hurt. If you do get hurt, I have little sympathy. People good at what they do don't suffer through it. Maybe this isn't for you, and you need to find something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said: Almost every single pulmonologist/anesthesiologist who regularly does thoracentesis or nerve blocks has likely had a pneumothorax. It just happens. It is disheartening to see everyone immediately crucify the physician here. But......we deserve to have everything in our lives be perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 TBH, I'm not sure that Tyrod should have been playing with cracked ribs, regardless. The end result could have been the same, but worse, if it happened after he took a big hit. I get that guys play through pain regularly, and probably progressively so as the season goes on, but the potential for much worse happening from a cracked rib, seems to me to be not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Stuff like this is more common than we want to admit. Perhaps not in the NFL, but it is in the general administering of medical care in the US and around the world. Especially for injuries. We are MUCH too quick to administer a shot, give pills, or perform surgery. Most herniated discs don't need to be operated on. Most knee, hip, back, neck, shoulder, etc. issues can be fixed with a really good physio or S/C coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/9/23/21452581/tyrod-taylor-punctured-lung-chargers-team-doctor Holy crap! That just should not happen. Don't the Chargers kind of have a history of having incompetent medical people, though? Example:https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/columnists/kevin-acee/sd-sp-chao-0106-story.htmlhttps://deadspin.com/the-chargers-doctor-is-a-drunk-quack-why-havent-they-466685771 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 looks like he took the old-school "bills" type curse or whatever with him. This is much worse than slipping on a mat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kirby Jackson Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said: It is exceptionally common for players to get nerve blocks, toradol injections, etc prior to games. I disagree with your assertion that any lawyer gets a payout here if proper informed consent was obtained. Guess we will find out. It happens all of the time no doubt. However, unlike when I go to the doctor that doctor works for my employer. My employer has a vested interest in me taking that injection. It is already under review by the NFLPA. They aren’t going to take this “it happens.” There will be a substantial payout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, Mango said: Especially for injuries. We are MUCH too quick to administer a shot, give pills, or perform surgery. Most herniated discs don't need to be operated on. Most knee, hip, back, neck, shoulder, etc. issues can be fixed with a really good physio or S/C coach. Not just injuries as medical mistakes are the third leading cause of death in the US. We sign those disclaimers for a reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, PirateHookerMD said: MD here, known complication, can do everything right and ***** happens. yep, that's why there are backup systems at clinics and hospitals, to take care of issues if something happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Holy crap! That just should not happen. Don't the Chargers kind of have a history of having incompetent medical people, though? Example:https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/columnists/kevin-acee/sd-sp-chao-0106-story.html Yes, he was fired, but is still practicing as a doctor. He’s also @profootballdoc on twitter and called this a couple days ago - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said: Almost every single pulmonologist/anesthesiologist who regularly does thoracentesis or nerve blocks has likely had a pneumothorax. It just happens. It is disheartening to see everyone immediately crucify the physician here. If a pneumothorax is a "routine" complication, why the hell wasn't this procedure performed in a hospital rather than the locker room before the game? Asking for a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said: Almost every single pulmonologist/anesthesiologist who regularly does thoracentesis or nerve blocks has likely had a pneumothorax. It just happens. It is disheartening to see everyone immediately crucify the physician here. With all due respect who deserves the blame? This is clearly a BAD situation and from where I’m sitting it is 100% the physician’s fault. It’s unfortunate, and an accident, but still their fault. It’s like a car accident. No one wants it to happen but someone is usually to blame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, PirateHookerMD said: Almost every single pulmonologist/anesthesiologist who regularly does thoracentesis or nerve blocks has likely had a pneumothorax. It just happens. It is disheartening to see everyone immediately crucify the physician here. Sure folks may take it to heart, but most stuff here is tongue and cheek. I am sure most doctors would understand how much visibility and scrutiny their work could have if their patients are in the public eye. Edited September 23, 2020 by WideNine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: With all due respect who deserves the blame? This is clearly a BAD situation and from where I’m sitting it is 100% the physician’s fault. It’s unfortunate, and an accident, but still their fault. It’s like a car accident. No one wants it to happen but someone is usually to blame. Yep. Although, that said, NFL teams really gotta stop that "Aha! Got ya to look!" game they play behind doctors right before they inject shots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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