Josh Allen’s offense vs Sam Darnold’s offense

[Logic]

In reading about the Denzel Mims hamstring injury, I can’t help but reflect on how much better a position the Bills have put Josh Allen in that what the Jets have done for Darnold.

 

Josh Allen is going into the all-important year three with the same offensive coordinator and head coach, an offensive line returning 4 of 5 starters, and a WR corps of Stefon Diggs, John Brown, and Cole Beasley, with two promising young rookies waiting in the wings.

 

Sam Darnold is going into the all-important year three under his second head coach and third offensive coordinator. His offensive line will likely feature new starters at all five spots, several of whom are replacement level journeyman types. Their WR corps features Breshad Perriman, Denzel Mims, And Jamison Crowder. Gone are both Robby Anderson and Quincy Enunwa.

 

Whereas the Bills are counting on proven stud Stefon Diggs to be their number 1 receiver, the Jets are counting on...Perriman, I guess? 

 

Whereas the Bills can ease their rookie receivers along slowly and don’t need to count on them immediately, the Jets NEED their rookie WR to be good immediately or else their offense is in trouble. It’s hard for WRs to be mega-productive even in the best of circumstances, but counting on one to produce after missing time with injury and having no preseason is asking quite a lot.

 

For years, I watched the Bills put their young QBs in bad situations that sabotaged their development. For once, it’s nice to watch a division rival do the same, while the Bills do everything possible to build around their youngster.

 

Soooo glad I’m not a Jets fan. What they’re doing to Darnold is downright criminal.

[ColoradoBills]

[JohnNord]

17 minutes ago, Logic said:

In reading about the Denzel Mims hamstring injury, I can’t help but reflect on how much better a position the Bills have put Josh Allen in that what the Jets have done for Darnold.

 

Josh Allen is going into the all-important year three with the same offensive coordinator and head coach, an offensive line returning 4 of 5 starters, and a WR corps of Stefon Diggs, John Brown, and Cole Beasley, with two promising young rookies waiting in the wings.

 

Sam Darnold is going into the all-important year three under his second head coach and third offensive coordinator. His offensive line will likely feature new starters at all five spots, several of whom are replacement level journeyman types. Their WR corps features Breshad Perriman, Denzel Mims, And Jamison Crowder. Gone are both Robby Anderson and Quincy Enunwa.

 

Whereas the Bills are counting on proven stud Stefon Diggs to be their number 1 receiver, the Jets are counting on...Perriman, I guess? 

 

Whereas the Bills can ease their rookie receivers along slowly and don’t need to count on them immediately, the Jets NEED their rookie WR to be good immediately or else their offense is in trouble. It’s hard for WRs to be mega-productive even in the best of circumstances, but counting on one to produce after missing time with injury and having no preseason is asking quite a lot.

 

For years, I watched the Bills put their young QBs in bad situations that sabotaged their development. For once, it’s nice to watch a division rival do the same, while the Bills do everything possible to build around their youngster.

 

Soooo glad I’m not a Jets fan. What they’re doing to Darnold is downright criminal.

That’s the calculated risk Beane took.  He traded a first-round pick in exchange for a proven WR in Diggs.  

[MJS]

Yep. It would be nice to watch a strong offense. Hope they can pull it all together this year and actually have a good offense. It's nice having an elite defense, but it's just more fun when your offense is able to produce at a high level.

 

We have the pieces in place (although the offensive line is just average). If our offense can kick it into gear this will be an incredibly difficult team to beat.

[Don Otreply]

22 minutes ago, MJS said:

Yep. It would be nice to watch a strong offense. Hope they can pull it all together this year and actually have a good offense. It's nice having an elite defense, but it's just more fun when your offense is able to produce at a high level.

 

We have the pieces in place (although the offensive line is just average). If our offense can kick it into gear this will be an incredibly difficult team to beat.

Josh has his tools, we will see what he makes with them, ?

I think we will all be pleasantly surprised.

 

Go Bills!!!

[machine gun kelly]

MJS, you and I are usually on the same page, but as far as the O Line, there are a couple of guys who are not Bills homers I listen to and one is David Diehl who went to one Pro Bowl, part of two SB winning Giants teams and a pretty good analyst on NFLR.  He just rated this week the Bills as his 10th best O Line in the league and said continuity is a big plays in this years season.  He also referenced he probably would have put them up to maybe 7th if it were not for the Feliciano injury.  The guy is not a big Bills bandwagon guy, although he thinks we are going to win the East this year.

 

The other is this long time O Line coach, Paul Alexander of 35 years.  He thinks our O Line is going to be a top 10 line as well.  I’m with you they are not anywhere near top 5 like the Saints and others, but they will be decent if they can figure out all if the usual stuff whether Winters or not, Ford at G or RT, Williams, and so on.  I keep hearing over and over again walk through absolutely nothing for an O Line.  They need to hit each other and be in pads to improve.  Given we don’t have many padded practices in the league during camp, this should help our Beloved Bills.

 

As far as the rest, Logic, you make good points.  Can you imagine if Darnold held out after his 5th year and said screw this place and became the successor or after an in between on a team like the saints.  He would gain a great deal of respect around this league.  He just plays with crap talent, coaching, management (temporarily as I think Douglas could be good and probably can’t wait to can Gase), and ownership.  That won’t change.

[Billl]

They’re going to make a run at the first overall pick in the draft.  If that happens, they can keep Darnold for season 4 and likely trade him for a decent pick.  He could have a Drew Brees type career.

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

MJS, you and I are usually on the same page, but as far as the O Line, there are a couple of guys who are not Bills homers I listen to and one is David Diehl who went to one Pro Bowl, part of two SB winning Giants teams and a pretty good analyst on NFLR.  He just rated this week the Bills as his 10th best O Line in the league and said continuity is a big plays in this years season.  He also referenced he probably would have put them up to maybe 7th if it were not for the Feliciano injury.  The guy is not a big Bills bandwagon guy, although he thinks we are going to win the East this year.

 

The other is this long time O Line coach, Paul Alexander of 35 years.  He thinks our O Line is going to be a top 10 line as well.  I’m with you they are not anywhere near top 5 like the Saints and others, but they will be decent if they can figure out all if the usual stuff whether Winters or not, Ford at G or RT, Williams, and so on.  I keep hearing over and over again walk through absolutely nothing for an O Line.  They need to hit each other and be in pads to improve.  Given we don’t have many padded practices in the league during camp, this should help our Beloved Bills.

 

As far as the rest, Logic, you make good points.  Can you imagine if Darnold held out after his 5th year and said screw this place and became the successor or after an in between on a team like the saints.  He would gain a great deal of respect around this league.  He just plays with crap talent, coaching, management (temporarily as I think Douglas could be good and probably can’t wait to can Gase), and ownership.  That won’t change.

 

If Spain and Morse produce equal to their career best form now they have a year in the system under their belts and they can figure out the right side combo the oline will be top 10. 

[Mickey]

45 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Josh has his tools, we will see what he makes with them, ?

I think we will all be pleasantly surprised.

 

Go Bills!!!

 

I won't be surprised at all. I fully expect that a young QB with a weaponless offense that managed to get his team in to the play offs with two weeks to spare will continue his winning ways. I know there are some who spend every waking hour digging up stats to try and prove that he stinks and I imagine they will be surprised when he plays well this year. I won't.

[Logic]

I wanted to add that I was poking around on their message board just now and saw a poster state that the Jets roster is "even with the Bills" in all but the secondary and WR corps.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

I wanted to add that I was poking around on their message board just now and saw a poster state that the Jets roster is "even with the Bills" in all but the secondary and WR corps.

 

We used to have similar posts here when our roster sucked. Fan does mean fanatic. It's easy to lie to oneself. 

 

In reality they have an argument at running back, if Bell actually performs, that their starter could be better, but their #2 is the guy we just let go. They have an argument at tight end. Herndon's rookie year was better than Knox's then his second year was destroyed by suspension and injury. I like both players a lot. I think Herndon's potential as a receiving tight end is higher than Dawson's but Dawson is a better all around prospect. Not saying they get to these levels, but to try and give a sense of the difference Herndon is Zac Ertz and Knox is Jason Witten. They have an argument at DT too but Ed was considerably better than Quinnen as rookies.... and unless he closes that gap that is advantage Bills. And finally, they have an argument at Quarterback. I think Sam has probably been a slightly more consistent passer at this stage but he hasn't been the playmaker that Josh has. I think they are reasonably similar in the fact they both need to take another step in 2020.... Josh is much better set up to given what Buffalo have put around him. 

 

 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

We used to have similar posts here when our roster sucked. Fan does mean fanatic. It's easy to lie to oneself. 

 

In reality they have an argument at running back, if Bell actually performs, that their starter could be better, but their #2 is the guy we just let go. They have an argument at tight end. Herndon's rookie year was better than Knox's then his second year was destroyed by suspension and injury. I like both players a lot. I think Herndon's potential as a receiving tight end is higher than Dawson's but Dawson is a better all around prospect. Not saying they get to these levels, but to try and give a sense of the difference Herndon is Zac Ertz and Knox is Jason Witten. They have an argument at DT too but Ed was considerably better than Quinnen as rookies.... and unless he closes that gap that is advantage Bills. And finally, they have an argument at Quarterback. I think Sam has probably been a slightly more consistent passer at this stage but he hasn't been the playmaker that Josh has. I think they are reasonably similar in the fact they both need to take another step in 2020.... Josh is much better set up to given what Buffalo have put around him. 

 

 

Agreed.  I’m not as down on the Jets as others here.   At least not until we play them, and I see that the differences on paper equate to differences on the field. 
 

RB, QB, TE and Slot are all toss ups heading into the season on who gets the edge.. Bills vs Jets. 
 

OL, WR1, WR2.. clear edge to the Bills. 
 

On defense, they’ll have a stout front 7, even without Mosley, but that secondary is looking rough. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Agreed.  I’m not as down on the Jets as others here.   At least not until we play them, and I see that the differences on paper equate to differences on the field. 
 

RB, QB, TE and Slot are all toss ups heading into the season on who gets the edge.. Bills vs Jets. 
 

OL, WR1, WR2.. clear edge to the Bills. 
 

On defense, they’ll have a stout front 7, even without Mosley, but that secondary is looking rough. 

 

I'd take our linebackers ahead of theirs every day. Dline is closer... but linebacker is big advantage Bills IMO. You are right on slot receiver though. I'd actually give the Jets the slight edge there, but the Bills have a major advantage outside. 

Edited August 15, 2020 by GunnerBill

[SCBills]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd take our linebackers ahead of theirs every day. Dline is closer... but linebacker is big advantage Bills IMO. You are right on slot receiver though. I'd actually give the Jets the slight edge there, but the Bills have a major advantage outside. 

Oh, yea, agreed.  

 

I like our DL and LB’s more as well, but just giving them a tip of the hat there.  
 

They always have a stout front 7, and I don’t see that changing this year.  

[eball]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Oh, yea, agreed.  

 

I like our DL and LB’s more as well, but just giving them a tip of the hat there.  
 

They always have a stout front 7, and I don’t see that changing this year.  

 

I see a ton of 11 from Daboll in this one, forcing them into nickel and taking major advantage of their DBs and LBs.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

As someone who draft L. Bell last year with my 1st round pick, it was infuriating watching him run into the back of his linemen, get knocked backward, and then try to dance around the edge.  He very rarely had good holes to run through.  Of course, this was very pleasing to see when the Jets played Buffalo.  

 

I expect Bell to have a crappy year, and Darnold to get his head kicked in.  Gotta have a solid offensive line and a good running game with a young QB.

[Warcodered]

The Jets are completely rebuilding their O-line kind of like we did last year though I just don't have as good a feeling about it as I did for us. An important part of what we did was our OL coach Bobby Johnson I think we might of struck gold with him not sure what the Jets have in that department.

[Logic]

55 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

We used to have similar posts here when our roster sucked. Fan does mean fanatic. It's easy to lie to oneself. 

 

In reality they have an argument at running back, if Bell actually performs, that their starter could be better, but their #2 is the guy we just let go. They have an argument at tight end. Herndon's rookie year was better than Knox's then his second year was destroyed by suspension and injury. I like both players a lot. I think Herndon's potential as a receiving tight end is higher than Dawson's but Dawson is a better all around prospect. Not saying they get to these levels, but to try and give a sense of the difference Herndon is Zac Ertz and Knox is Jason Witten. They have an argument at DT too but Ed was considerably better than Quinnen as rookies.... and unless he closes that gap that is advantage Bills. And finally, they have an argument at Quarterback. I think Sam has probably been a slightly more consistent passer at this stage but he hasn't been the playmaker that Josh has. I think they are reasonably similar in the fact they both need to take another step in 2020.... Josh is much better set up to given what Buffalo have put around him. 

 

 

Yeah. 

I'll say they are either even with the Bills or better than the Bills at QB, RB, and TE. The Jets can not reasonably claim that their offensive line is as good as Buffalo's since they have not yet seen them play. Even on a projection basis, though, I'm not very impressed with some of the players they brought in. I'm not convinced, for instance, that Van Roten will be an upgrade over Brian Winters. I'm also not convinced that George Fant will be a starting caliber RT, fi that's what they're counting on him to be.

As for the defense, I will concede that the Jets' interior DL is as good as or better than Buffalo's. That's about all I'll give them on defense. The Bills have superior edge rushers, linebackers, cornerbacks, and safeties. 

So the Jets, in my opinion, have a case at QB, RB, TE, and interior DL. In none of those cases do I feel like the Jets definitely have the edge, but they certainly MAY, and it's at least reasonable to say they're even. WR, Edge, ILB, OLB, CB, FS, SS...all Buffalo. 

Crucially, the units in which the Jets are lacking in talent -- offensive line, edge rushers, and cornerbacks -- are all CRITICAL to success in today's NFL. If you can't block, can't rush the passer, and can't cover the opposition's receivers, you're not going to win many ball games. So it's not just that they lack talent, it's that they lack talent at very important positions.

This is how I see it, at least.
 

14 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

The Jets are completely rebuilding their O-line kind of like we did last year though I just don't have as good a feeling about it as I did for us. An important part of what we did was our OL coach Bobby Johnson I think we might of struck gold with him not sure what the Jets have in that department.

I'm with you. I don't feel nearly as strongly about the players they brought in to rebuild their offensive line. They all seem like second tier guys to me. By contrast, Morse was a high quality acquisition and even Quinton Spain was/is better than the guards they've brought in, in my opinion.

 

 

43 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

As someone who draft L. Bell last year with my 1st round pick, it was infuriating watching him run into the back of his linemen, get knocked backward, and then try to dance around the edge.  He very rarely had good holes to run through.  Of course, this was very pleasing to see when the Jets played Buffalo.  

 

I expect Bell to have a crappy year, and Darnold to get his head kicked in.  Gotta have a solid offensive line and a good running game with a young QB.

Yep. The Jets did it exactly backwards: They're paying big money to their running back, but they've put a mediocre or worse offensive line in front of him. I'd much rather spend big money on the offensive line and then plug in a running back. I don't expect Bell to have a very good career as a New York Jet, at least until they convincingly improve their offensive line.

Edited August 15, 2020 by Logic

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

The Jets are completely rebuilding their O-line kind of like we did last year though I just don't have as good a feeling about it as I did for us. An important part of what we did was our OL coach Bobby Johnson I think we might of struck gold with him not sure what the Jets have in that department.

Mekhi Becton is a boom/bust guy.  I don’t see anyway that dude is just average.  That said, he’s a rookie, and rookie OL typically struggle.  
 

McGovern is decent.  The rest of that OL is meh. 

[Victory Formation]

@Logic

 

Very nice post friend, very nice post.

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, Logic said:

Yeah. 

I'll say they are either even with the Bills or better than the Bills at QB, RB, and TE. The Jets can not reasonably claim that their offensive line is as good as Buffalo's since they have not yet seen them play. Even on a projection basis, though, I'm not very impressed with some of the players they brought in. I'm not convinced, for instance, that Van Roten will be an upgrade over Brian Winters. I'm also not convinced that George Fant will be a starting caliber RT, fi that's what they're counting on him to be.

As for the defense, I will concede that the Jets' interior DL is as good as or better than Buffalo's. That's about all I'll give them on defense. The Bills have superior edge rushers, linebackers, cornerbacks, and safeties. 

So the Jets, in my opinion, have a case at QB, RB, TE, and interior DL. In none of those cases do I feel like the Jets definitely have the edge, but they certainly MAY, and it's at least reasonable to say they're even. WR, Edge, ILB, OLB, CB, FS, SS...all Buffalo. 

Crucially, the units in which the Jets are lacking in talent -- offensive line, edge rushers, and cornerbacks -- are all CRITICAL to success in today's NFL. If you can't block, can't rush the passer, and can't cover the opposition's receivers, you're not going to win many ball games. So it's not just that they lack talent, it's that they lack talent at very important positions.
 

 

Agree with all that. I am a big George Fant sceptic. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. 

[JetsFan20]

If you were Joe Douglas and you had a 6 year contract what would you do?

 

He’s playing the slow game knowing that the Jets roster has too many holes to fix in one offseason. 

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

If you were Joe Douglas and you had a 6 year contract what would you do?

 

He’s playing the slow game knowing that the Jets roster has too many holes to fix in one offseason. 

 

I like Douglas. If the Jets truly stick with him he will get it right.

[Utah John]

The Jets remind me a lot of many Bills situations.  They're plugging holes in their dikes as fast as they can, but new ones pop up they can't deal with.  It's a constant churn of talent.  

 

The Bills broke out of this partly because of McBeane, but also through the leadership of a core of veterans, and the addition by subtraction of some foot-draggers (Dareus, I'm looking at you).  Kyle Williams and LoRax and Hyde and Poyer were the right guys in the right place.  Gilmore was a very good player and a tough loss, but the Bills would have had to tie up too much money to keep him.  Instead, they bit the bullet and let the expensive guys walk.  They're in a prime position now, with few really expensive players and a core group of guys who now see they have what it takes to win.  The Bills are going to have to do some cap magic in a couple of years when Allen gets his new contract, along with Edmunds and White and Diggs and possibly Singletary or Moss.  

[Logic]

1 hour ago, JetsFan20 said:

If you were Joe Douglas and you had a 6 year contract what would you do?

 

He’s playing the slow game knowing that the Jets roster has too many holes to fix in one offseason. 

Don't get me wrong -- I like Joe Douglas. I think he'll be a good GM for the Jets. I also like Sam Darnold.

Regrettably, however, the circumstances leading up to and including this season are simply not ideal in terms of fostering the growth of a young QB. Being on his second head coach and third offensive coordinator is not ideal. Losing both Quincy Enunwa and Robby Anderson is not ideal. Having to depend on a rookie WR for major contributions in a year where there is no pre-season is not ideal. Entering such a pivotal year while playing behind a completely new offensive line is not ideal.

I like Douglas, and I think he'll eventually right the ship. At THIS MOMENT IN TIME, though, I feel the conditions around Darnold are much less than ideal. I also feel that since the Jets lack edge rushers and cornerbacks and since Mosley is not playing and Adams flew the coup, the defense will regress, and the Jets likely won't win many games. The combination of the poor infrastructure around Darnold and the likely regression of the defense seems as though it might hinder his progression as a QB, and given that Joe Douglas was not the man that chose Darnold to begin with, it may lead the Jets to at least flirt with dipping their toes back into the quarterback market next offseason -- something which would ALSO not be ideal, given the lack of college season.

Maybe I'm dead wrong, Darnold will flourish, and I'll have to eat crow. At the end of the day, I'm simply saying that I much prefer what the Bills have done around Josh Allen to what the Jets have done around Sam Darnold. I feel that most Jets fans, if they're being honest, would prefer what Allen has around him to what Darnold has, too.

Edited August 15, 2020 by Logic

[Warcodered]

 

Not sure what thus is about.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

The Jets franchise is at such a all time low, only Russ and Whaley can get them back into contention. They should hire both of these guys ASAP.

[Lockdown24]

No kidding, Sam makes the high school team the jets are fielding somewhat watchable.

 

That said, i like what Joe D is doing but it’s still a year away.

[Warcodered]

guess it was nothing.

 

[John from Riverside]

I always get a little nervous when a team has to rely on a rookie (at any postion) coming right out the gate.......

 

Our team seems to be at the point where we have such a nice mix of veteran and rookie players at almost every position that we DONT have to dont have to do that.....that is Beanes work

 

Look at our offensive line......all veteran players.....even the guys we think are going to be backing up our veteran players

 

Look at our DL......the first player we took in this last draft has the advantage of not being "the guy" coming into the league

 

Look at our WR's......instead of taking a WR in the 1st round and saying that is our starter.....we traded for a young productive WR in Diggs that we KNOW can be our starter....then doubled down on two more WR's in this draft to bring along

 

Take a look at our RB's.......An established starter......a guy to bring along

 

Take a look at our LB's.....and on and on

 

We biult this team differently then the jets did....that is why the bills are no longer in the jets world

[Buffalo Junction]

5 hours ago, Logic said:

I wanted to add that I was poking around on their message board just now and saw a poster state that the Jets roster is "even with the Bills" in all but the secondary and WR corps.

Bless his heart

[Inigo Montoya]

5 hours ago, Logic said:

Yep. The Jets did it exactly backwards: They're paying big money to their running back, but they've put a mediocre or worse offensive line in front of him. I'd much rather spend big money on the offensive line and then plug in a running back. I don't expect Bell to have a very good career as a New York Jet, at least until they convincingly improve their offensive line.

 

Agree 100% Logic.  Nice thread bye the way...

 

MacCagnan was a terrible GM and knew the writing was on the wall for him and tried what a lot of GMs do to try and save their job when things start to circle the drain, bring in the big, flashy free agent signing to try and turn things around quickly.  As usual, it didn't work.  What good is a RB without a line to run behind?

 

Joe Douglas is an Ozzie Newsome disciple and seems to know what he is doing and I expect him to bring the Jets back to a competitive level in just a couple of seasons. We have a two year head start on the Jets at this point.  Douglas is building a stock pile of draft picks and clearing cap space to lure in a solid head coach after this season.  He has a good QB already on the roster and is trying to rebuild the O-Line just like Beane did.  They have some solid pieces on defense too.  I think the Jets' head coaching job will be a highly coveted gig after this season.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Josh McDaniels end up there.

 

Lets hope the Bills can strike while the iron is hot with all three of our AFCE foes going through major transitions right now.

 

 

Edited August 16, 2020 by Inigo Montoya

[TigerJ]

The line situation for the Jets is a big factor.  Lots of observers are looking for Leveon Bell to have a big comeback year, but with questions on the offensive line and the turnover at WR means everybody will be looking for Bell, and he may have to create his own opportunities if the line doesn't turn out to be a lot better than it looks.  If Bell can't get things going, defenses are going to tee off on Darnold. 

Edited August 16, 2020 by TigerJ

[Richard Noggin]

9 hours ago, SCBills said:

Agreed.  I’m not as down on the Jets as others here.   At least not until we play them, and I see that the differences on paper equate to differences on the field. 
 

RB, QB, TE and Slot are all toss ups heading into the season on who gets the edge.. Bills vs Jets. 
 

OL, WR1, WR2.. clear edge to the Bills. 
 

On defense, they’ll have a stout front 7, even without Mosley, but that secondary is looking rough. 

I think for most analysts, and many GMs, talent in the secondary has become the most important piece of the defensive puzzle. Heard some pundit on WGR the other day emphasize this point, and certainly we're seeing contracts and cap allocations indicate or at least suggest as much: your secondary sets the tone in a passing league. 

 

Pass rushers will always matter, but they can only get there so fast on most plays. They need the back end to force the QB to hold it just a little bit longer, to come off his first or second read, or to doubt what he's seeing just long enough to get home. Brady has always been a great example of this: they say pressure up the middle is his weakness (same goes for all QBs of course), but really, it's always been about making him hold the ball just a LITTLE bit longer through disguise and execution on the back-end, which then exposes his risk-averse, nut-less tendency to turf the ball as real NFL football players close in on him. 

 

With this in mind, Buffalo and Miami (and of course New England) have built modern defenses. The Jets are some vestigial anachronism of the 90s and early '00s where Greggo's machismo was rewarded. Eff the Jets. They suck. Miami, for example, is built more progressively. 

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Agree 100% Logic.  Nice thread bye the way...

 

MacCagnan was a terrible GM and knew the writing was on the wall for him and tried what a lot of GMs do to try and save their job when things start to circle the drain, bring in the big, flashy free agent signing to try and turn things around quickly.  As usual, it didn't work.  What good is a RB without a line to run behind?

 

Joe Douglas is an Ozzie Newsome disciple and seems to know what he is doing and I expect him to bring the Jets back to a competitive level in just a couple of seasons. We have a two year head start on the Jets at this point.  Douglas is building a stock pile of draft picks and clearing cap space to lure in a solid head coach after this season.  He has a good QB already on the roster and is trying to rebuild the O-Line just like Beane did.  They have some solid pieces on defense too.  I think the Jets' head coaching job will be a highly coveted gig after this season.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Josh McDaniels end up there.

 

Lets hope the Bills can strike while the iron is hot with all three of our AFCE foes going through major transitions right now.

 

 

I agree in large part. 

 

But...am I the only one who thinks the Dolphins will be even more difficult to play this season? (Let the record show: they gave the Bills "fitz" last season, and look to be improved in 2020. Obviously, QB is the wildcard here.)

 

I think they're being built to be a pain in the A$$ for opposing QBs...

[Warcodered]

13 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

I agree in large part. 

 

But...am I the only one who thinks the Dolphins will be even more difficult to play this season? (Let the record show: they gave the Bills "fitz" last season, and look to be improved in 2020. Obviously, QB is the wildcard here.)

 

I think they're being built to be a pain in the A$$ for opposing QBs...

Dolphins I worry about becoming a problem eventually this year though even without the Covid shortened offseason it was going to be a lot to ask for Flores to pull all those new pieces together in one season.

Edited August 16, 2020 by Warcodered

[BuffBillsForLife]

The Jets are always the team besides the Bills I think about the most, our situations are so similar and I find myself comparing our position groups and development.  Definitely think the Bills have the leg up now, what a blessing a competent GM and head coach are.

[eball]

5 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Dolphins I worry about becoming a problem eventually this year though even without the Covid shortened offseason it was going to be a lot to ask for Flores to pull all those new pieces together in one season.

 

I’m not picking on you specifically, but in my opinion “worrying” about when other teams might become good is a waste of time.  As Bills fans we have suffered for a very long time, but we need to start realizing that things have changed.  With the leadership now in place the Bills are poised to become one of those four or five teams you look at as being “in the mix” each and every season.  Who cares what the other teams do?

 

And by the way, I loved the Bills-Fish rivalry of the 80s and 90s.  If that returns, so be it.

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I’m not picking on you specifically, but in my opinion “worrying” about when other teams might become good is a waste of time.  As Bills fans we have suffered for a very long time, but we need to start realizing that things have changed.  With the leadership now in place the Bills are poised to become one of those four or five teams you look at as being “in the mix” each and every season.  Who cares what the other teams do?

 

And by the way, I loved the Bills-Fish rivalry of the 80s and 90s.  If that returns, so be it.

 

I do think the Dolphins are closer to being set up for longer term success at this point than either the Pats or the Jets that is I agree not a reason to be "worried." Bills fans need to be ready to adjust to being good.

 

And while the Bills becoming one of those 4 or 5 perennial contender type teams is still dependant on further growth from Josh, the Dolphins future prospects of equally dependant on Tua who is yet to take an NFL snap. 

 

The old kings of the AFC East should be dethroned this season. The Bills are first in line to make a run at a reign over the division. 

[machine gun kelly]

7 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Dolphins I worry about becoming a problem eventually this year though even without the Covid shortened offseason it was going to be a lot to ask for Flores to pull all those new pieces together in one season.

Ive said already the Dolphins are the team that will improve, but this year might be a stretch.  They had I think picks in the draft in the top 70.  The problem is they gave away Tunsil, etc. and are banking their draft choices will replace these assets.  I see with a real off season next year we will start our old rivalry again.  That mess in NE is not fixable this year.  Maybe they come back to a competitive team in 2021, but if they don’t Belicheck will retire and the NE nightmare is gone.  The other three teams in the East are vulnerable and weak.