Putin Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 51 minutes ago, Thurmal34 said: suspend him - no diff than riley cooper He better pray he doesn’t get in trouble and needs a good lawyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, KD in CA said: Hardly....the statement is more like a way to close the book on it. Nah, suburban moms are about to start talking about it when it gets picked up on the today show and the view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Wait, wait, don't tell me...because you agree that people get to choose what injustices they'll speak out against, and there isn't (and shouldn't be) a moral "litmus test" where I'm not allowed to speak out about one injustice or what one person says, unless I demonstrate equal upset and outspokenness about whatever you deem unjust or offensive? I'm gonna guess that's not what you had in mind. I agree with you, but most of the woke folks do not. In fact, for the first month after St. George was killed the common refrain was that if you spoke against the riots but hadn't spoken out against cops you were a racist. You may not have, but a whole lotta people who are real damn quiet right now were shouting that ***** from the rooftops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Rob's House said: I agree with you, but most of the woke folks do not. In fact, for the first month after St. George was killed the common refrain was that if you spoke against the riots but hadn't spoken out against cops you were a racist. You may not have, but a whole lotta people who are real damn quiet right now were shouting that ***** from the rooftops. The difference being that the riots were in response to the murder. That’s an important distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Muppy said: I also just want to say the color of Desean Jacksons skin is to me irrelevant. He could be chartreuse green and Id be offended by what he quoted. Just to give you a heads up, that's a term of white fragility used by racists. You may want to avoid it. I know you guys aren't privy to all the new *****, but that's what you have me here for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 ??? This whole thing just tickles the ***** out of me. Everyone's been insanely hypersensitive about everything racism for weeks. This mother *****r literally praised HITLER, in context, and the same people are now resorting to mental contortions to justify their apathy. ? This thread made my whole week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 58 minutes ago, Rob's House said: I agree with you, but most of the woke folks do not. In fact, for the first month after St. George was killed the common refrain was that if you spoke against the riots but hadn't spoken out against cops you were a racist. You may not have, but a whole lotta people who are real damn quiet right now were shouting that ***** from the rooftops. Awesome, can I play the Whatabout Game too? <consults Russian right-wing troll manual> Let’s see? DJ immediately apologized and took back his statement. How come I’m not hearing complaints about the PC Thought Police bullying him into changing his tune? Didn’t you complain about that with Brees and Fromm? I thought it was a free country and we can say whatever we want? How come you complained about it then, but not now? Well, I guess: - You’re a hypocrite - Everything you’ve said on this topic is invalid - You must really not care about free speech - The above is unchangeable and ever-lasting - Your ancestors will laugh at you until the end of time - Your neighbor will soon start tapping your wife This is fun! Yay, culture wars!! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Awesome, can I play the Whatabout Game too? <consults Russian right-wing troll manual> Let’s see? DJ immediately apologized and took back his statement. How come I’m not hearing complaints about the PC Thought Police bullying him into changing his tune? Didn’t you complain about that with Brees and Fromm? I thought it was a free country and we can say whatever we want? How come you complained about it then, but not now? Well, I guess: - You’re a hypocrite - Everything you’ve said on this topic is invalid - You must really not care about free speech - The above is unchangeable and ever-lasting - Your ancestors will laugh at you until the end of time - Your neighbor will soon start tapping your wife This is fun! Yay, culture wars!! Think the troll manual is being updated Coach. Version 2.0 out soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 This isn’t rocket science. Police brutality is wrong, looting peaceful store owners is wrong, comments against African Americans or any other group is wrong, including anti-Semitic comments. I have no idea why DJ would say something in writing as inflammatory is mind boggling. It just tells me if he is going to write it, he meant it, and that is what is in his heart. I tell my boys as my daughter doesn’t do most of the social media stuff, what they write can be held against them. Thankfully, they are good kids who are not prejudiced at all. If I’m the Eagles, I would fire him. He’s getting older anyway, but in corporate America, it wouldn’t even have been a discussion. If I said something like this which I wouldn’t, I would be fired on the spot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 5 hours ago, KD in CA said: My guess is that Jews have long since gotten used to no one doing anything about this type of stuff. Career ending if you say it about certain groups, virtually ignored if you say it about Jews. Jackson cut? Don't make me laugh. Well I certainly got used to it growing up. 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Apparently the NFL has spoken, condemning the posts: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29422431/eagles-desean-jackson-says-hate-jewish-community-posting-anti-semitic-messages The NFL released a statement Tuesday calling Jackson's comments "highly inappropriate, offensive and divisive" and saying they "stand in stark contrast to the NFL's values of respect, equality and inclusion." The league said it has been in contact with the Eagles on the matter. The NFL and the Eagles organization have done so. I’m interested in hearing from the Carson Wentzes, the Tre Whites, the Josh Normans, or any other player that’s been so outspoken about hate; or really any NFL player at all. The silence is absolutely deafening. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Awesome, can I play the Whatabout Game too? <consults Russian right-wing troll manual> Let’s see? DJ immediately apologized and took back his statement. How come I’m not hearing complaints about the PC Thought Police bullying him into changing his tune? Didn’t you complain about that with Brees and Fromm? I thought it was a free country and we can say whatever we want? How come you complained about it then, but not now? Well, I guess: - You’re a hypocrite - Everything you’ve said on this topic is invalid - You must really not care about free speech - The above is unchangeable and ever-lasting - Your ancestors will laugh at you until the end of time - Your neighbor will soon start tapping your wife This is fun! Yay, culture wars!! I’ll speak on his apology... I’m not appalled or outraged by what he said, because it’s ignorant. Ignorance is sad, not offensive IMO. He apologized. Twice. The first one was clumsy and (IMO) lacked some authenticity. The second appears to have been carefully crafted by a PR team. Fine. Either way, apology noted; let’s see what he does moving forward. The aspect of this that’s disappointing is that—given the current climate surrounding racism and hatred toward people’s background or heritage—not a single NFL player has spoken out to say “hey, wait a minute, we of all people should know better. How can we expect people to listen to us if we don’t clean up our own house?” 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I’ll speak on his apology... I’m not appalled or outraged by what he said, because it’s ignorant. Ignorance is sad, not offensive IMO. He apologized. Twice. The first one was clumsy and (IMO) lacked some authenticity. The second appears to have been carefully crafted by a PR team. Fine. Either way, apology noted; let’s see what he does moving forward. The aspect of this that’s disappointing is that—given the current climate surrounding racism and hatred toward people’s background or heritage—not a single NFL player has spoken out to say “hey, wait a minute, we of all people should know better. How can we expect people to listen to us if we don’t clean up our own house?” I don’t disagree, but the context matters. The “current climate” you’re referring to seems to be at some sort of societal “tipping point” with respect to racism against Blacks. This has been building for quite some time, it’s structural in nature, it’s been stoked by POTUS, and it represents a severe power imbalance that is systemic. It’s very different from some idiot parroting Crazy Farrakhan. As a Jew, I don’t feel threatened by what DJax said - he basically called me a purple alien. He’s a moron and possibly mentally ill. I’ve always been troubled by the fringe element of anti-semitism that pervades the Black community and I share the frustration some have expressed here that the Left has a real blind spot when it comes to racism and homophobia by minority groups - there is a tendency to either ignore it or chalk it up to structural causes (“it’s not their fault, they’ve been so oppressed”) - that’s hogwash. People are people, and many people are bigots. (Including several posters in this thread hiding behind the “whataboutism”). But let’s be real here: it’s not Black people shooting up synagogues, typically, it’s radicalized white gun nut nationalists and Islamic-inspired terrorists. I worry about them, and I worry about far Left professors who cloak their anti-semitism in “colonial studies” garb. In fact, if you view the political spectrum as a curved circle, anti-semitism is where the Far Right and Far Left meet on the back end - Jim Bob who works at Guns & Ammo in Akron Ohio and Tabitha who owns a lesbian bookstore in Berkeley can’t agree on anything at all, except that Jews are evil. They can both kiss my Ashkenazi behind. Edited July 8, 2020 by Coach Tuesday 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 41 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I’ll speak on his apology... I’m not appalled or outraged by what he said, because it’s ignorant. Ignorance is sad, not offensive IMO. He apologized. Twice. The first one was clumsy and (IMO) lacked some authenticity. The second appears to have been carefully crafted by a PR team. Fine. Either way, apology noted; let’s see what he does moving forward. The aspect of this that’s disappointing is that—given the current climate surrounding racism and hatred toward people’s background or heritage—not a single NFL player has spoken out to say “hey, wait a minute, we of all people should know better. How can we expect people to listen to us if we don’t clean up our own house?” They only care about racism that affects them. They aren’t “anti-racist” at all. These are the same people who would be okay with turning back the boats of Jewish refugees. 2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Awesome, can I play the Whatabout Game too? <consults Russian right-wing troll manual> Let’s see? DJ immediately apologized and took back his statement. How come I’m not hearing complaints about the PC Thought Police bullying him into changing his tune? Didn’t you complain about that with Brees and Fromm? I thought it was a free country and we can say whatever we want? How come you complained about it then, but not now? Well, I guess: - You’re a hypocrite - Everything you’ve said on this topic is invalid - You must really not care about free speech - The above is unchangeable and ever-lasting - Your ancestors will laugh at you until the end of time - Your neighbor will soon start tapping your wife This is fun! Yay, culture wars!! I’ll bite. You aren’t hearing about the thought police bullying him because outside of a few articles, NFL Players and the regular media isn’t talking about this much at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, FireChans said: I’ll bite. You aren’t hearing about the thought police bullying him because outside of a few articles, NFL Players and the regular media isn’t talking about this much at all? Save yourself the “bite” - I’m not engaging with you on this topic or any topic, sports or otherwise, ever. Sorry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: This isn’t rocket science. Police brutality is wrong, looting peaceful store owners is wrong, comments against African Americans or any other group is wrong, including anti-Semitic comments. I have no idea why DJ would say something in writing as inflammatory is mind boggling. It just tells me if he is going to write it, he meant it, and that is what is in his heart. I tell my boys as my daughter doesn’t do most of the social media stuff, what they write can be held against them. Thankfully, they are good kids who are not prejudiced at all. If I’m the Eagles, I would fire him. He’s getting older anyway, but in corporate America, it wouldn’t even have been a discussion. If I said something like this which I wouldn’t, I would be fired on the spot. This is spot on. Even with him saying that he didn’t understand what the quote really meant, I do not understand how he could’ve misunderstood THAT much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I don’t disagree, but the context matters. The “current climate” you’re referring to seems to be at some sort of societal “tipping point” with respect to racism against Blacks. This has been building for quite some time, it’s structural in nature, it’s been stoked by POTUS, and it represents a severe power imbalance that is systemic. It’s very different from some idiot parroting Crazy Farrakhan. As a Jew, I don’t feel threatened by what DJax said - he basically called me a purple alien. He’s a moron and possibly mentally ill. I’ve always been troubled by the fringe element of anti-semitism that pervades the Black community and I share the frustration some have expressed here that the Left has a real blind spot when it comes to racism and homophobia by minority groups - there is a tendency to either ignore it or chalk it up to structural causes (“it’s not their fault, they’ve been so oppressed”) - that’s hogwash. People are people, and many people are bigots. (Including several posters in this thread hiding behind the “whataboutism”). But let’s be real here: it’s not Black people shooting up synagogues, typically, it’s radicalized white gun nut nationalists. I worry about them, and I worry about far Left professors who cloak their anti-semitism in “colonial studies” garb. In fact, if you view the political spectrum as a curved circle, anti-semitism is where the Far Right and Far Left meet on the back end - Jim Bob who works at Guns & Ammo in Akron Ohio and Tabitha who owns a lesbian bookstore in Berkeley can’t agree on anything at all, except that Jews are evil. They can both kiss my Ashkenazi behind. Generally agree. I more meant that I’d like to think that being at said tipping point would make it all the more obvious to the NFL community that speaking out against all hate (and not just racism against certain groups) is paramount. It’s not enough to avoid evil; we also have to avoid the appearance of evil. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Save yourself the “bite” - I’m not engaging with you on this topic or any topic, sports or otherwise, ever. Sorry. Your silence is deafening!!!11!1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: Your silence is deafening!!!11!1! It doesn’t matter what side of the issue you’re on - it’s about the approach. I don’t like yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Honest take on his continued employment here. The Iggles are thin at WR even with him. I wonder if they’re only keeping him until they can replace him, whether that’s tomorrow because they can work a trade or after the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: It doesn’t matter what side of the issue you’re on - it’s about the approach. I don’t like yours. I was just making a joke man. All love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Well I certainly got used to it growing up. The NFL and the Eagles organization have done so. I’m interested in hearing from the Carson Wentzes, the Tre Whites, the Josh Normans, or any other player that’s been so outspoken about hate; or really any NFL player at all. The silence is absolutely deafening. I believe Carson Wentz said something about having a a conversation with DJ about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I don’t disagree, but the context matters. The “current climate” you’re referring to seems to be at some sort of societal “tipping point” with respect to racism against Blacks. This has been building for quite some time, it’s structural in nature, it’s been stoked by POTUS, and it represents a severe power imbalance that is systemic. It’s very different from some idiot parroting Crazy Farrakhan. As a Jew, I don’t feel threatened by what DJax said - he basically called me a purple alien. He’s a moron and possibly mentally ill. I’ve always been troubled by the fringe element of anti-semitism that pervades the Black community and I share the frustration some have expressed here that the Left has a real blind spot when it comes to racism and homophobia by minority groups - there is a tendency to either ignore it or chalk it up to structural causes (“it’s not their fault, they’ve been so oppressed”) - that’s hogwash. People are people, and many people are bigots. (Including several posters in this thread hiding behind the “whataboutism”). But let’s be real here: it’s not Black people shooting up synagogues, typically, it’s radicalized white gun nut nationalists and Islamic-inspired terrorists. I worry about them, and I worry about far Left professors who cloak their anti-semitism in “colonial studies” garb. In fact, if you view the political spectrum as a curved circle, anti-semitism is where the Far Right and Far Left meet on the back end - Jim Bob who works at Guns & Ammo in Akron Ohio and Tabitha who owns a lesbian bookstore in Berkeley can’t agree on anything at all, except that Jews are evil. They can both kiss my Ashkenazi behind. Don’t give this man a pass in the name of “white gun nuts” ??♂️ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1108271 Edited July 8, 2020 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Don’t give this man a pass in the name of “white gun nuts” ??♂️ Did I trigger you? I gave him a “pass” because he’s mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Did I trigger you? I gave him a “pass” because he’s mental. I don’t give passes. Shoot him in the head. that goes for the “white gun nuts” if they show up at the synagogue as well ??♂️??♂️ Edited July 8, 2020 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Watkins101 said: I believe Carson Wentz said something about having a a conversation with DJ about it. He said that he “wanted to understand where DJ is coming from”...that’s the exact opposite of condemning it. I hear zero NFL players speaking out. They need to; the credibility of their movement is at stake. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 That old sayings: “Ya just can’t fix stupid” comes to mind. That and the classic, “tis better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt”. Does anyone teach or learn about History in school any more , or is the actual reality of how horrible humans treat each other just to much for the snowflakes out there to have to learn about? Humans are doomed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 every day is an adventure! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: He said that he “wanted to understand where DJ is coming from”...that’s the exact opposite of condemning it. I hear zero NFL players speaking out. They need to; the credibility of their movement is at stake. Bandit, I was thinking the same thing. When will these players simply say this is wrong. I’ve said it before, All Lives Matter. If someone says these slurs, condemn him publicly. No matter if it’s against Jewish people, African-American people, etc. just stop. Don’t tolerate it. What is there to talk about? You can’t write this crap and explain it. Apologies don’t matter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 It's funny. Not 1 peep from NFL players. If they want to stop hate and racism in this world, they have to condemn it in every situation. Just goes to show BLM is a sham. Not the message but the Movement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Cal said: He will be fine. He has black privilege. If a white said that, they would be cut. Good call genius. Riley Cooper says hi. Do some of you even think or just wanna take extremely stupid stances? jackson is an absolute moron. I think most people without an agenda are fine with him getting cut. But keep making it something bigger than it is. Some of the takes on racial issues on this board are flat out embarrassing Edited July 8, 2020 by C.Biscuit97 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 I miss the simpler times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: He said that he “wanted to understand where DJ is coming from”...that’s the exact opposite of condemning it. I hear zero NFL players speaking out. They need to; the credibility of their movement is at stake. Bandit.... Do they ever speak out against each other? I can think of far and few times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Bandit.... Do they ever speak out against each other? I can think of far and few times. They got on Drew Brees awfully fast. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Bandit.... Do they ever speak out against each other? I can think of far and few times. Yeah, part of me do wish they called Jackson out for being an idiot. But players rarely call other players out. Brees got called out because he kept the same dumb logic. Even in calling hmm out, most prefaced it by saying he was a good guy who was just misinformed. i don’t there is any other view point than Jackson is a complete moron. I mean Julian Edelman has said anything and he indirectly was attacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: He said that he “wanted to understand where DJ is coming from”...that’s the exact opposite of condemning it. I hear zero NFL players speaking out. They need to; the credibility of their movement is at stake. DJ responded: "hush up!....we all hate you" Anyway, after seeing what he posted, do you really have to ask a guy like Jackson "where he's coming from"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, thebandit27 said: They got on Drew Brees awfully fast. Because he keep repeating the same stupid argument. And everything was prefaced with Brees is a good guy. but how many white players called out Riley Cooper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, teef said: every day is an adventure! Who had “DeSean Jackson tweeting Farrakhan propaganda and fake Hitler quotes” on their 2020 bingo card? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Who had “DeSean Jackson tweeting Farrakhan propaganda and fake Hitler quotes” on their 2020 bingo card? Well he’s an absolute moron so he would have been on the short list. The crazy thing is him and Lynch could have degrees from the 22th ranked school in hr country! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 12 hours ago, LB3 said: They spoke out on racism and bigotry. Why are you differentiating for them? 12 hours ago, FireChans said: Can you give a reasonable explanation why this coverage has been so light? I don’t get this line of thinking. Only people directly affected by bigotry or racism against people of their common origin should speak out against it? The coverage has been light? A quick google search and it pops up everywhere. It will be talked about on every major sporting outlet today, without fail. This high standard that athletes are held to is crazy to me. They spoke out on what they know. Systemic racism, police brutality, etc. against people of color. Now they have to be on the front lines of all racism and inequality to be taken seriously? Is this for all athletes or only black athletes? Admittedly, I don't know a ton about anti-semitic tropes or the argument of Black Hebrew Israelites. I fully understand that what Jackson said was ignorant, hurtful and that he should be disciplined for it. That said, I'm not sure I'd go on a Twitter rant blasting him for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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