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28 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Oh okay i read that exert in a different article but i was told it was a false statement and just put out as propaganda & if that is what he referenced in his statement then he must be more foolish than we give him credit for !! 

 

Correct, it's not a real Hitler quote, it 's a quote falsely attributed to Hitler.  I don't follow it well enough to ID all the players but much of the Black Hebrew Israelite thing is super fring-y and extreme, just like Nation of Islam/Louis Farrakhan. 

 

Good reminder that hateful extremists are found everywhere, and that radicalization of naive people follows.

 

6 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

Apparently he was recently spotted wearing this t-shirt:

 

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Who is "he" in this instance (just confirming, as several people have been discussed in this thread)?

 

And if not humor, got a source?

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2 hours ago, Rob's House said:

This got me thinking about the concept of privilege.

 

How many people do you imagine could publicly praise Hitler and keep their high profile job?

How many can drop the n word in a video and keep their job?  Or go on anti - Semitic and racist tirades on multiple occasions like Mel Gibson and keep making movies?  

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20 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

It's a false statement and propaganda in that Hitler never said it, and it is used by the NOI as part of its propaganda.

 

You are absolutely correct that Jackson is likely even dumber-er than we thought (and that is saying something).

 

From his other recent posts, it looks like he had his first exposure to Farrakhan and the NOI this past weekend. And like most right-wing extremist groups, they are very crafty with their initial introduction to radicalization. They start with a lot of words and phrases that "make sense" to their target while (sometimes not so) subtly hiding their true intent.

 

Jackson, being an idiot, saw that quote, probably saw key words he recognized like "*****", "white Americans", "Mistreating, discriminating, and lynching", never really comprehended the entire message, missing the single but key mentions of Hitler and of Jews, and thought he was posting something that would further the black Civil Rights cause. Boy, was he wrong.

 

Not excusing it at all. But there is no history with him on this stuff. I think it's way more him being a gullible, mostly-illiterate dumbass than hating Jews.

 

NOW, former Chiefs RB Larry Johnson on the other hand... Has gone way off the deep end with a full buy-in on the Black Hebrew Isrealites and their anti-semitic, homophobic, free mason illuminati, End Days, stuff. His entire twitter feed is a weird, twisted train wreck. (Link Removed)

 

 

 

True, I'm deleting the link to Larry Johnson's bull#### in my previous post. Good call.

 


Did you mean to say that Farrakhan is a right-wing extremist?

 

I don’t think you meant to say that.

 

Right?

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22 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

At one point in the comments he suggested that Jews didn't have it as bad as black people because it is 9 million deaths (the holocaust) v. 100 million deaths (the slave trade).  It was breathtaking. 

 

Oh, No....he didn't? 

 

Ugh, of all the un-productive things in the world, a "relative oppression" contest strikes me as one of the very least productive.  And of course, the Holocost was far from the only antisemitic event resulting in massive Jewish deaths.  Quite the history there.

 

5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:


Did you mean to say that Farrakhan is a right-wing extremist?

 

I don’t think you meant to say that.

 

Right?

 

I read him as drawing a comparison between the recruiting of right-wing extremists and NOI extremists, not as saying Farrakhan is a right-wing extremist.

 

It's been commented before that extremist groups on all sides of the spectrum actually use very similar recruiting techniques to draw young people in

For example: https://abcnews.go.com/US/hate-groups-similar-online-recruiting-methods-isis-experts/story?id=53528932

They target people who feel isolated and adrift and promise them a life of meaning and acceptance where they will be part of a huge "family"

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6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oh, No....he didn't? 

 

Ugh, of all the un-productive things in the world, a "relative oppression" contest strikes me as one of the very least productive.  And of course, the Holocost was far from the only antisemitic event resulting in massive deaths

 

 

I read him as drawing a comparison between the recruiting of right-wing extremists and NOI extremists, not as saying Farrakhan is a right-wing extremist.

 

It's been commented before that extremist groups on all sides of the spectrum actually use very similar recruiting techniques to draw young people in

For example: https://abcnews.go.com/US/hate-groups-similar-online-recruiting-methods-isis-experts/story?id=53528932

They target people who feel isolated and adrift and promise them a life of meaning and acceptance where they will be part of a huge "family"


That’s what I figured as well. I thought it was worth clarifying in case anyone else read it and saw some room for ambiguity (as I did).

 

Based on @DrDawkinstein’s post history, I would’ve been rather surprised to see anything nefarious in it.

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12 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:


Did you mean to say that Farrakhan is a right-wing extremist?

 

I don’t think you meant to say that.

 

Right?

 

Conservative extremist then? Where do anti-semitic, homophobic, separatist, Religious extremists fall? The BHI pages Johnson links on Twitter are against lib-lefts.

 

I really wasnt trying to comment on his politics as much as show they are using the same ol methods.

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Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Conservative extremist then? Where do anti-semitic, homophobic, separatist, Religious extremists fall? The BHI pages Johnson links on Twitter are against lib-lefts.


Well since folks like Rashida Tlaib and Linda Sarsour have documented ties to Farrakhan, while Donny Boy’s kid was harping on the Dems to disavow him, I have a hard time fitting him into the right-wing box. Maybe religious extremist is as complicated as it needs to be?

 

But semantics aside, he’s a lunatic.

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20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oh, No....he didn't? 

 

Ugh, of all the un-productive things in the world, a "relative oppression" contest strikes me as one of the very least productive.  And of course, the Holocost was far from the only antisemitic event resulting in massive Jewish deaths.  Quite the history there.

 

I agree. It wasn't a good take, in any event. But not knowing the history really surprised me. I know Goodwin cares deeply about black oppression, and he has visited Egypt with Kaep before to learn about African strength. I would think he be more well read than to think Jewish oppression is isolated to the Holocaust. 

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7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I'm gonna guess Mr. "Good People on Both Sides" of that Nazi march.


Just a note: gotta be careful with that quote since it often gets cut off to make it look worse.

 

I’m no Trump fan, but he definitely and explicitly said that he wasn’t referring to the white supremacists—who should be condemned.

 

He’s said a lot of stupid and reprehensible things, but this one particular quote doesn’t make the cut as one of them.

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Just now, thebandit27 said:


Just a note: gotta be careful with that quote since it often gets cut off to make it look worse.

 

I’m no Trump fan, but he definitely and explicitly said that he wasn’t referring to the white supremacists—who should be condemned.

 

He’s said a lot of stupid and reprehensible things, but this one particular quote doesn’t make the cut as one of them.

 

Insert any of Trumps call backs to Nazi rhetoric and imagery you like then :thumbsup:

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5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:


Just a note: gotta be careful with that quote since it often gets cut off to make it look worse.

 

I’m no Trump fan, but he definitely and explicitly said that he wasn’t referring to the white supremacists—who should be condemned.

 

He’s said a lot of stupid and reprehensible things, but this one particular quote doesn’t make the cut as one of them.

 

I hated Trump when he got the Republican ticket (I still do, that is not the direction the party should be going). I found his claim that the media lies or is biased against him gross.  However, after he got elected, stuff like this kept happening. Even when COVID started, it was so easy to compare what CNN and others were representing Trump as having said v. what he actually said/happened, and I realized CNN was being intentionally misleading. 

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4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I agree. It wasn't a good take, in any event. But not knowing the history really surprised me. I know Goodwin cares deeply about black oppression, and he has visited Egypt with Kaep before to learn about African strength. I would think he be more well read than to think Jewish oppression is isolated to the Holocaust. 

 

Nobody tell Kaep, but North Africans in general, and Egyptians in particular, are not Black, but rather more similar in genetic makeup to near easterners, Anatolians, and early people of SE Europe.  Desean Jackson would be horrified to learn that the slaves that built the Pyramids were Hebrews of Semitic descent.  I got shouted down in an African Geography class (SUNY Albany, 1990!) for bringing this inconvenient information to the table.  Fun fact, tell a modern Egyptian that they are black and you're going to get an earful.  Or better yet, don't.  Liberal American sensibilities aren't shared by most of the rest of the world

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6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Insert any of Trumps call backs to Nazi rhetoric and imagery you like then :thumbsup:

 

3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I hated Trump when he got the Republican ticket (I still do, that is not the direction the party should be going). I found his claim that the media lies or is biased against him gross.  However, after he got elected, stuff like this kept happening. Even when COVID started, it was so easy to compare what CNN and others were representing Trump as having said v. what he actually said/happened, and I realized CNN was being intentionally misleading. 


The good news is that outfits like USA Today, Reuters, CSPAN and others typically provide full transcripts for review, so it’s not difficult (time consuming though it may be) to draw one’s own conclusions.

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Just now, FarrellsFinest said:

What does Semeitic mean? I wonder if you guys actually know? 

 

Technical definition has to do with a family of languages, but in the common parlance refers to the ethnic groups that comprise Arabs and Hebrews today.  I use the term Hebrews to differentiate them from Ashkanazi jews who have significant northern European DNA, though I'm sure I'll get a WELL ACKSHUALLY from someone here

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6 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Nobody tell Kaep, but North Africans in general, and Egyptians in particular, are not Black, but rather more similar in genetic makeup to near easterners, Anatolians, and early people of SE Europe.  Desean Jackson would be horrified to learn that the slaves that built the Pyramids were Hebrews of Semitic descent.  I got shouted down in an African Geography class (SUNY Albany, 1990!) for bringing this inconvenient information to the table.  Fun fact, tell a modern Egyptian that they are black and you're going to get an earful.  Or better yet, don't.  Liberal American sensibilities aren't shared by most of the rest of the world


 

 

There’s a big push in academia to re-write the history of who built the pyramids and remove the Jewish slave portion of their history. Came up in a PPP discussion briefly, and I won’t get into it, but my favorite discovery in reading up on it was History.com writing an article about how it’s now believed Jewish slaves weren’t the builders of the pyramids, quoting an ancient historian for a random fact about the pyramids, and ignoring that said historian specifically said that they were built by Jewish slaves. 
 

not to digress, but that’s where academia is at when it comes to “re-writing” narratives.

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10 minutes ago, whatdrought said:


 

 

There’s a big push in academia to re-write the history of who built the pyramids and remove the Jewish slave portion of their history. Came up in a PPP discussion briefly, and I won’t get into it, but my favorite discovery in reading up on it was History.com writing an article about how it’s now believed Jewish slaves weren’t the builders of the pyramids, quoting an ancient historian for a random fact about the pyramids, and ignoring that said historian specifically said that they were built by Jewish slaves. 
 

not to digress, but that’s where academia is at when it comes to “re-writing” narratives.

 

I'll join this for a moment then promise to drop it but the reason I opened my big mouth in the African Geography class way back when was mostly this reason, and that the professor (a Man of Color) allowed a black student to fly way off the handle claiming there is hard evidence that Black people not only built the Pyramids, but had the power of flight.  Not, you know, invented airplanes, no, they could fly like superman around the pyramids and white people stole that from them.  The net is that most people will believe anything they hear, all the more so if it's something they want to believe.  The professor didn't do anyone any favors by allowing that to go on.  For what it's worth in the same class, another student asked where in African they drilled for Palm Oil

 

ps dont send your kids to SUNY Albany

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14 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I'm Asian and I don't consider the term "oriental" prejudiced at all. Please stop trying to paint us with a broad brush.

 

Just hang on while we fetch a rich, white American to explain why you're wrong and should be deeply offended.

 

 

 

48 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Nobody tell Kaep, but North Africans in general, and Egyptians in particular, are not Black, but rather more similar in genetic makeup to near easterners, Anatolians, and early people of SE Europe.  Desean Jackson would be horrified to learn that the slaves that built the Pyramids were Hebrews of Semitic descent.  I got shouted down in an African Geography class (SUNY Albany, 1990!) for bringing this inconvenient information to the table.  Fun fact, tell a modern Egyptian that they are black and you're going to get an earful.  Or better yet, don't.  Liberal American sensibilities aren't shared by most of the rest of the world

 

Or just look at you as though you said they were Martians.  Egyptians identify heavily with the combination of their nationality and their religion (Copts vs Muslims), and not at all with their continent.

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17 minutes ago, whatdrought said:


 

 

There’s a big push in academia to re-write the history of who built the pyramids and remove the Jewish slave portion of their history. Came up in a PPP discussion briefly, and I won’t get into it, but my favorite discovery in reading up on it was History.com writing an article about how it’s now believed Jewish slaves weren’t the builders of the pyramids, quoting an ancient historian for a random fact about the pyramids, and ignoring that said historian specifically said that they were built by Jewish slaves. 
 

not to digress, but that’s where academia is at when it comes to “re-writing” narratives.

 

Ive seen this too, and frankly not sure what to believe. It's not like the Old Testament is the most accurate historical record of anything. But I can see that there would be ulterior motives in pushing this re-write. And are we really splitting hairs between terms like "bonded laborers" and "chattel slaves".

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16 minutes ago, whatdrought said:


 

 

There’s a big push in academia to re-write the history of who built the pyramids and remove the Jewish slave portion of their history. Came up in a PPP discussion briefly, and I won’t get into it, but my favorite discovery in reading up on it was History.com writing an article about how it’s now believed Jewish slaves weren’t the builders of the pyramids, quoting an ancient historian for a random fact about the pyramids, and ignoring that said historian specifically said that they were built by Jewish slaves. 
 

not to digress, but that’s where academia is at when it comes to “re-writing” narratives.

Can you explain how 'Jewish slaves' built the pyramids carbon-dated back to 2670 BC and completed in 1750 BC when they didn't arrive in Egypt until 1200 BC at the earliest?

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28 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Nobody tell Kaep, but North Africans in general, and Egyptians in particular, are not Black, but rather more similar in genetic makeup to near easterners, Anatolians, and early people of SE Europe.  Desean Jackson would be horrified to learn that the slaves that built the Pyramids were Hebrews of Semitic descent.  I got shouted down in an African Geography class (SUNY Albany, 1990!) for bringing this inconvenient information to the table.  Fun fact, tell a modern Egyptian that they are black and you're going to get an earful.  Or better yet, don't.  Liberal American sensibilities aren't shared by most of the rest of the world

 

I vaguely remember Goodwin saying something to the effect that seeing "black" peoples thriving on their own, and seeing what they could build, gave him great inspiration.  I genuinely appreciate all the ironies of his statement, which you point out here. 

28 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 


The good news is that outfits like USA Today, Reuters, CSPAN and others typically provide full transcripts for review, so it’s not difficult (time consuming though it may be) to draw one’s own conclusions.

 

What I hate is that Trump says so many terrible things. So why exaggerate or misrepresent? Hold the moral high ground. Don't get in the dirt.  This is a hot take, but I think we need a reliable media more than we need a good president for four years.  

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5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Can you explain how 'Jewish slaves' built the pyramids carbon-dated back to 2670 BC and completed in 1750 BC when they didn't arrive in Egypt until 1200 BC at the earliest?

 

It's a little more complicated than that. There is evidence that Caananite slaves built the pyramids (during the period you reference). Caanaties are semites. They just weren't described as Hebrew until much later on.   That may mean they weren't Hebrews, or it may mean they were referred to by a different name.  Either way, same ethnic people. 

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12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Ive seen this too, and frankly not sure what to believe. It's not like the Old Testament is the most accurate historical record of anything. But I can see that there would be ulterior motives in pushing this re-write. And are we really splitting hairs between terms like "bonded laborers" and "chattel slaves".


 

I’m fine with people not taking the OT as gospel (excuse my pun) but it seems to me (and I may be wrong) it was universally accepted until a few years ago and all ancient histories point to Jewish slaves in Egypt?

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Can you explain how 'Jewish slaves' built the pyramids carbon-dated back to 2670 BC and completed in 1750 BC when they didn't arrive in Egypt until 1200 BC at the earliest?

 

Can you explain how every ancient history is wrong while carbon dating (which is a science full of assumptions) is right? When we change history, the litmus of proof is on the new view. Maybe I’m crazy, but carbon dating doesn’t do it for me.

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9 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

What I hate is that Trump says so many terrible things. So why exaggerate or misrepresent? Hold the moral high ground. Don't get in the dirt.  This is a hot take, but I think we need a reliable media more than we need a good president for four years.  

 

It may not be 100% accurate, but it's not that much of an exaggeration or misrepresentation in this case though. Sure, he specifically condemned the "neo-Nazis", but the fine people he was referring to were the ones protesting against the removal of the Robert E Lee statue, and there was a lot of cross over there. Plus, if someone is that in love with the Confederacy, I question how fine they truly are.

 

And yeah, that's a hot take. Any functioning adult who wont sell out our troops, at this point.

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1 minute ago, whatdrought said:


 

I’m fine with people not taking the OT as gospel (excuse my pun) but it seems to me (and I may be wrong) it was universally accepted until a few years ago and all ancient histories point to Jewish slaves in Egypt?

 

 

Right, right. And trying to look up facts, evidence, reasoning behind the thinking they were workers and not slaves only really returns one article from 10 years ago. And even that is flimsy evidence.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/

 

But again, the Bible and a Charlton Heston movie arent great sources either. :huh: And a lot of things from the OT have been "universally accepted" until proven wrong.

 

Who knows.

21 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

Larry Johnson's twitter is absolute ? don't @ me

 

Bruh, you aint kidding. I mentioned it in the previous pages but removed the link so as not to give him exposure of any kind. It is madness.

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1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

It may not be 100% accurate, but it's not that much of an exaggeration or misrepresentation in this case though. Sure, he specifically condemned the "neo-Nazis", but the fine people he was referring to were the ones protesting against the removal of the Robert E Lee statue, and there was a lot of cross over there. Plus, if someone is that in love with the Confederacy, I question how fine they truly are.

 

And yeah, that's a hot take. Any functioning adult who wont sell out our troops, at this point.

 

All presidents send our troops into harms way; ironically, Trump less than the others. The difference is you need a functioning media that the general public trusts to stand up as opposition when the president is clearly in the wrong. 

 

As to Charlottesville, I take exception that characterization that the most radical elements of any group define the group as a whole. Would you say the same about antifa and BLM? And, while I appreciate a large segment of the population thinks that you cannot support a Confederate monument without being racist, there still exists another segment that disagrees. To them, it is about something else all together. Symbols are tricky like that - they can mean different things to different people. And it can mean that they aren't neo-nazis. 

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2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Right, right. And trying to look up facts, evidence, reasoning behind the thinking they were workers and not slaves only really returns one article from 10 years ago. And even that is flimsy evidence.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/

 

But again, the Bible and a Charlton Heston movie arent great sources either. :huh: And a lot of things from the OT have been "universally accepted" until proven wrong.

 

Who knows.

 

Bruh, you aint kidding. I mentioned it in the previous pages but removed the link so as not to give him exposure of any kind. It is madness.

 

For the record, the OT does not claim that Jews built the pyramids. 

 

And yeah LJ27 has some hot takes and some really *****in spicy stuff on that account.

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2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

All presidents send our troops into harms way; ironically, Trump less than the others. The difference is you need a functioning media that the general public trusts to stand up as opposition when the president is clearly in the wrong. 

 

As to Charlottesville, I take exception that characterization that the most radical elements of any group define the group as a whole. Would you say the same about antifa and BLM? And, while I appreciate a large segment of the population thinks that you cannot support a Confederate monument without being racist, there still exists another segment that disagrees. To them, it is about something else all together. Symbols are tricky like that - they can mean different things to different people. And it can mean that they aren't neo-nazis. 

 

You cant support a Confederate monument without being racist or at least un-American. Full stop.

 

If it's about something else, find another symbol. But what else could it be about?

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2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Right, right. And trying to look up facts, evidence, reasoning behind the thinking they were workers and not slaves only really returns one article from 10 years ago. And even that is flimsy evidence.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/

 

But again, the Bible and a Charlton Heston movie arent great sources either. :huh: And a lot of things from the OT have been "universally accepted" until proven wrong.

 

Who knows.

 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  If someone wants to prove that ancient sub-saharan Africans built the pyramids, they better find something other than unhinged college newspaper editorials to prove it.

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Just now, whatdrought said:

 

Can you explain how every ancient history is wrong while carbon dating (which is a science full of assumptions) is right? When we change history, the litmus of proof is on the new view. Maybe I’m crazy, but carbon dating doesn’t do it for me.

There is zero archeological evidence to suggest 'Jewish slaves' built the pyramids. 

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1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You cant support a Confederate monument without being racist or at least un-American. Full stop.

 

If it's about something else, find another symbol. But what else could it be about?

 

I am super persuaded by the argument that it is un-American.  That said, for supporters of the Confederate monuments (I know this because my Mom's side is southern), the monuments represent Southern Pride and Honor. Much the same way Vermont, Texas, and California have these deeply independent traditions. For them, it isn't about being un-American, but projecting their strength against outside influence.  It became important to them decades after the civil war, when the south began to flounder as they lost their status under federal oversight and due to the industrial age.  Their resistance was what they had.  Today, we understand that the Confederate monuments are inseparable from slavery. But, for them, in their consciousness, they are separate and distinct issues. In other words, in their mind, they can oppose slavery but still idolize the bravery of their ancestors. Lastly, don't be so cavalier about "finding another symbol." I think you know it isn't that simple.

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1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

There is zero archeological evidence to suggest 'Jewish slaves' built the pyramids. 


Sweet. Now do historical record.
 

I don’t want us to go too far down this rabbit hole in this thread, so I’ll leave it at this: 

 

if you find the absence of archaeological evidence enough to counter thousands of years of historical record (biblical and not) that’s fine. Help yourself. :) 

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