Which coaches would Cowherd start a franchise with...

[Hebert19]

Our by number 2.   Can't say I disagree.  He gets the most out of his team. 

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/04/colin-cowherd-buffalo-bills-sean-mcdermott-2-nfl-head-coach-list/

[CSBill]

Serious question, what are his rating these days? I use to listen to him when he was on ESPN radio. And that TV show he had was fun with the gal that is a huge Spurs fan—she carried it. But it has been a long time. There may be a good number of people that like him still, but he got tiresome for me and I would not even know where to find him now.

 

As for the question, yeah, I think McDermott is in the top 10. 

Edited July 5, 2020 by CSBill

[LeviF]

3 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Serious question, what are his rating these days? I use to listen to him when he was on ESPN radio. And that TV show he had was fun with the gal that is a huge Spurs fan—she carried it. But it has been a long time. There may be a good number of people that like him still, but he got tiresome for me and I would not even know where to find him now.

 

As for the question, yeah, I think McDermott is in the top 10. 

He moved over to Fox sports radio/FS1. 

[Rc2catch]

Mcdermott sold me the first year, don’t care if we backed into the playoffs or whatever. That was a lackluster team with very little talent. That season is the definition of getting the most out of your players. 
He has some flaws and there are a few who can’t help themselves pointing it out non stop such as clock management and being so passive. I think those things get better with time. I also blame some of the offensive issues on him protecting Allen. Rather play solid defense and predictable offense than let Allen maybe give the game away or get careless and crush his confidence. He’s a good coach though regardless. Happy we have him. 

[Don Otreply]

7 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Mcdermott sold me the first year, don’t care if we backed into the playoffs or whatever. That was a lackluster team with very little talent. That season is the definition of getting the most out of your players. 
He has some flaws and there are a few who can’t help themselves pointing it out non stop such as clock management and being so passive. I think those things get better with time. I also blame some of the offensive issues on him protecting Allen. Rather play solid defense and predictable offense than let Allen maybe give the game away or get careless and crush his confidence. He’s a good coach though regardless. Happy we have him. 

Sean may have his issues but who doesn’t? Those that harp on him as their personal crusade seem to me to have forgotten how bad things were before he and Beane got here, it’s as if they have lost all perspective. I too am happy we have him. 
 

Go Bills!!!

Edited July 5, 2020 by Don Otreply

[machine gun kelly]

Rc, I agree.  It is so easy for some people to only look for any negatives when McD has picked the right players, as Cowherd stated always has them in the right position. Now Beane found enough talent and managed contracts so well, we are set to be the next reproducibly winning team, like how the Chiefs, Ravens, and Steelers.  Just think before Jim Harbaugh how the 49ers were in their own drought, but post Harbaugh, they went back down, and now are climbing to the top again in the NFC.  I don’t see the 49ers going backwards for quite some time.  Good management, good coaching, and selecting very well in the draft for several years.  Sounds like another team we know all too well.

[Mr. WEO]

Didn’t Cowherd write the same thing like a week ago?  It was also a thread here

[GunnerBill]

Yea I stuck it in the Cowherd - Allen thread. 

 

I think I am probably right about where Cowherd is on McDermott at #2 on this list. I know this is not a universally popular opinion here but so far I think Sean has been a better coach than Beane has a GM or Josh has a QB. I like all three. But to me McDermott is the most proven commodity. 

[TigerJ]

McDermott has spent literally his whole coaching career writing his own personal manual on how to be a head coach, which he updates constantly.  He follows it to a "T."

Some coaches (Rex Ryan) tend to fly by the seat of their pants.  Coaching instinct can be good or bad, but may not be consistent.  The consistency that comes from following a methodology can be a very good thing if you've got a tested methodology.  McDermott has that.

[GoBills808]

McD is the best coach this team has had in a very long time

[machine gun kelly]

38 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

McDermott has spent literally his whole coaching career writing his own personal manual on how to be a head coach, which he updates constantly.  He follows it to a "T."

Some coaches (Rex Ryan) tend to fly by the seat of their pants.  Coaching instinct can be good or bad, but may not be consistent.  The consistency that comes from following a methodology can be a very good thing if you've got a tested methodology.  McDermott has that.

Well said Tiger which reminds me of another coach I respect tremendously in John Harbaugh.  Before a head coach he came up through Special Teams, and he prepared in his journals for more than a decade before getting the Ravens gig.  Those two have a lot in common and both have claimed Andy Reid as their mentor, although McDermott also claims the great defensive coordinator Jimmy Johnson, RIP.  I see a lot of parallels in these two in their preparation, methodical approach, and excellent football minds.  They also both have great GM’s.  Beane in 10 years will be thought of like Ozzy Newsome, the GM, not his playing days.  People often talk about Reid, Belicheck, and others for being great coaches, but I would add Harbaugh.  Funny, if his brother didn’t fall out of favor in SF, probably would be another one.  I know he was a hard ass, but his players said they loved him.

 

Nothing would make me happier than seeing these guys become cornerstones here like Tomlin has been for the Steelers.  It’s no accident the Steelers had only three head coaches since 1969.  Noll was awesome and won 4 SB’s, 1 for Cowher, and 1 for Tomlin with another appearance losing to the Packs.  How incredible would it be to keep the coaching staff together for awhile.  My guess in 2021 Frazier will get another shot at head coaching at least multiple interviews.  If he leads another defensive squad to the top 3 defense and he will, even by only Rooney rule, he’ll get lots of shots at it, and he should.  That doesn’t worry me as McD is probably already grooming his next coordinator and Frazier is probably helping.  McD would want to help Frazier get his shot.  Daboll on the other hand, doubt it. He’d have build up a top 10 offense for multiple years to get any consideration.

 

Go Bills!

[Malazan]

35 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

 Daboll on the other hand, doubt it. He’d have build up a top 10 offense for multiple years to get any consideration.

 

I think if Daboll manages a top 10 offense this year then he will be be a HC next year. Offensive coaches are the hot ticket right now and teams are desperate for a guy who can groom a young QB which..if Josh leads a top 10 offense..the perception will be Daboll did that. In that case, Frazier with a top 3 defense and Daboll a top 10 offense...Daboll would be the hotter coaching candidate (not that I agree he should be).

[machine gun kelly]

Jeremy, I was about to snap at you as I thought you were that tool Jets whatever, so thankfully I saw you’re name again.  You make very good points, you do.  I just don’t see one year turning everything around for him and getting a nod for a HC.  Now he does this for two years, and I would say yes.  I also think he’s better than a lot of posters state, but has been limited with his players.  This is now year 2 for the Line, the additions of Diggs and Moss to Brown and Beasley.  I’m betting the rookie Davis will get on for 4 wide sets.  I’m praying Knox is a much better pass catcher, and as always Allen moves up to a 65% completion rate.  He’s already improved in fumbles, still runs well, evades getting hurt when he runs, doesn’t throw a lot of picks, so there is promise.

 

He does this in 2021 again and we are deep in the playoffs again, and without a doubt he’ll get the nod for a HC Job.  Just my two cents big guy.  I hope he does as one sign of a good organization is if two coordinators get HC jobs over two years.  I must be a dreamer as I can see we become a jewel for the NFL at one point.   After 2020, hopefully as good as I think it will be place nice extensions on Beane and McD for an additional four to five years.

 

Its been so long I’ve almost forgotten what it was like to just expect you’re team to be great in every game, and never think you can be beaten by anyone.  We had that from 1988-99 In one way or another.  The youngins on the board don’t have those memories which sucks.  They should remember the Bills as I do, and even could hang my hat as a very little boy seeing my RB run like a man amongst boys in OJ.  For this board about football, I’ll always contend he was the best RB of all time.  Even better than Jim Brown.  He just had a crap team around him.

 

My dad tells me his glory years were the Kemp days when Buffalo was “Talking Proud”.  The youngins won’t know that one either.  Just google it. It was our phrase before the 1988 Shout Song.

[Hebert19]

I think McDermott is a leader if men that has started to figure out how to coach a football team.  He has his nuances but I never think we will get outplayed on a Sunday.  He has them ready. 

[SirAndrew]

11 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

I think McDermott is a leader if men that has started to figure out how to coach a football team.  He has his nuances but I never think we will get outplayed on a Sunday.  He has them ready. 

There’s been some disappointment during the McDermott regime as expected, but I love how we always show up against inferior and equal opponents. We’ve lost big to some good teams, but almost always win the games we should. That’s indicative of a well coached team, and it’s something we haven’t seen around here in years. 

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Sean May have his issues but who doesn’t? Those that harp on him as their personal crusade seem to me to have forgotten how bad things were before he and Beane got here, it’s as if they have lost all perspective. I too am happy we have him. 
 

Go Bills!!!

Leave Sean May alone!!  TAAAAR HEEEEELS!!

 

mcdermott is awesome.  I envision a tomlin like run

[Augie]

50 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

I think McDermott is a leader if men that has started to figure out how to coach a football team.  He has his nuances but I never think we will get outplayed on a Sunday.  He has them ready. 

 

McD isn’t perfect, and people will jump on some things he does. Some of the criticism is deserved, because nobody is perfect. Heck, Belichick is the GOAT by most accounts, and he isn’t perfect. 

 

I love our HC. Just like Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds, he’s fairly new at leading this team, and I see it as only getting better.  I’m VERY happy with the overall picture and accept that he’s a mortal. 

 

 

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Edited July 5, 2020 by Augie

[Don Otreply]

31 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Leave Sean May alone!!  TAAAAR HEEEEELS!!

 

mcdermott is awesome.  I envision a tomlin like run

So do I

 

whats with the Tar Heels, this ain’t North Carolina ?

Edited July 5, 2020 by Don Otreply

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

So do I

I just quoted you for the Sean May reference, sorry

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Win a playoff game and then I will come around on McD.  He's the best coach since Wade though is that really that high of a bar?  His game plans appear solid and his ever improving/teaching philosophy resonates well with the players. Even elite athletes crave ways to get better.  

That said, he started Peterman, he has a FB on the roster that isn't even that good as a FB, his defense gets gashed in the run game from time to time, he has a terrible challenge record, clock management before the half is suspect, and his defense collapsed in Houston.  His teams have been 10th, 27th, and 24th in penalties.  And lastly he is 0-6 against Belichick.  No shortage of things to improve upon.  

All things being equal, 2020 will answer a ton of questions for the Bills with a harder schedule and division winning predictions.  

[cwater10]

3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

 

My dad tells me his glory years were the Kemp days when Buffalo was “Talking Proud”.  The youngins won’t know that one either.  Just google it. It was our phrase before the 1988 Shout Song.

"Talking Proud" era was my favorite Bills era, even more that the Super Bowl years.  I think that is just a reflection of my age at the time (College Years) Chuck Knox had some FUN teams, even as "Ground Chuck".  However...  If I am not mistaken, "Talking Proud" was a civic campaign that the Bills adopted.   That I believe began in 1980 when Joe Ferguson led us to first AFC East Crown ever behind #1 Defense.

[Malazan]

19 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

 You make very good points, you do.  I just don’t see one year turning everything around for him and getting a nod for a HC.  Now he does this for two years, and I would say yes.  I also think he’s better than a lot of posters state, but has been limited with his players.  

 

You're making an assumption that there is a view people in the NFL hold that there is something to turn around. He's more well thought of by league personnel than he is by those of us on this board despite his offense ranking rather low the last couple years. I'd be willing to bet that the view is it was a natural progression of his offense to reach the top 10 as he got better players in place. I'd say it's a lock if he gets a top ten offense that he will be a head coach next season. 

Edited July 6, 2020 by jeremy2020

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Mcdermott sold me the first year, don’t care if we backed into the playoffs or whatever. That was a lackluster team with very little talent. That season is the definition of getting the most out of your players. 
He has some flaws and there are a few who can’t help themselves pointing it out non stop such as clock management and being so passive. I think those things get better with time. I also blame some of the offensive issues on him protecting Allen. Rather play solid defense and predictable offense than let Allen maybe give the game away or get careless and crush his confidence. He’s a good coach though regardless. Happy we have him. 

 

 

Yup, we're lucky to have him.

 

I wouldn't put McD at #2 yet, but with Cowherd's criteria, where he's looking for a young guy and not a power/control freak so that he threw out Belichick and Payton and a few others, yeah, maybe close.

[ganesh]

10 hours ago, TigerJ said:

McDermott has spent literally his whole coaching career writing his own personal manual on how to be a head coach, which he updates constantly.  He follows it to a "T."

Some coaches (Rex Ryan) tend to fly by the seat of their pants.  Coaching instinct can be good or bad, but may not be consistent.  The consistency that comes from following a methodology can be a very good thing if you've got a tested methodology.  McDermott has that.

You have to have both...that is what wins championships. 

[Paulus]

Having McDermott as HC has allowed me to realize how poorly coached the teams of the past were, and given me a newfound respect for coaching, tbh.

 

[MJS]

10 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

McD is the best coach this team has had in a very long time

Let's hope he's the best Bills coach ever. If he wins a Superbowl he will be.

[TigerJ]

12 hours ago, ganesh said:

You have to have both...that is what wins championships. 

I don't disagree.  I think it may be a little early to determine how instinctive McDermott is as a coach, but he does a lot of stuff the right way.  It's interesting, when he signed his contract with the Pegulas, there seemed to be some thought that he asked for and received a lot of power/control in the organization.  Then when Beane was hired as GM people thought it was all about cronyism, but McDermott has not seemed to abuse his control at all, and Beane and McDermott seem to work very efficiently with each other.  It's been great for the team.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

23 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Mcdermott sold me the first year, don’t care if we backed into the playoffs or whatever. That was a lackluster team with very little talent. That season is the definition of getting the most out of your players. 
 

 

I wasn't sold on McDermott until Allen started showing his upside in 2018.

 

2017 was a nice story but I wasn't at all sure what to make of it. We had a couple of UGLY blow out losses and managed to fall ass backwards into the playoffs. And most our players were holdovers from the Rex and Whaley era. 

 

McDermott missed badly on Peterman when he replaced Tyord but at the time we could excuse it as McDermott trying to light a fire under the team or under Tyrod who was playing very poorly. But where McDermott badly missed was choosing Peterman as the starting QB for 2018. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. So now McDermott was fooled twice by Peterman and the guy we have as our supposed savior in Allen is viewed as one of the biggest projects to ever come out of the draft at the QB position. Odds were not looking good that McDermott or Beane knew what the heck they were doing at the post important position. But then the Vikings game happened. And we all got a first hand look at what Allen's potential and tenacity for the game was. Then coming back from injury later in the year he showed us even more of his physical talent and why we drafted him.

22 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I know this is not a universally popular opinion here but so far I think Sean has been a better coach than Beane has a GM or Josh has a QB. I like all three. But to me McDermott is the most proven commodity. 

I don't see why that would be controversial. 

 

McDermott is the only one to be here for the full 3 years that included two playoff appearances. Beane wasn't hired until after the 2017 draft and the selection of Tre White. McDermott's biggest flaw is the Peterson debacle, especially believing in him so much to start the 2018 season when in reality he probably shouldn't even have been on the roster. Makes me wonder if he is also overvaluing Barkley. 

[Fr. Jerk]

I wanna rip Joy Taylor a new one, ya dig?

[DrDawkinstein]

Just curious, who was Cowherd's #1?

 

edit: NM, I fast forwarded. Kyle Shanahan. Can't disagree there I guess.

Edited July 6, 2020 by DrDawkinstein

[GunnerBill]

59 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Just curious, who was Cowherd's #1?

 

edit: NM, I fast forwarded. Kyle Shanahan. Can't disagree there I guess.

 

I'd still have the Harbaugh you can trust #1. Kyle #2. McDermott #3. Genuinely if I was starting a franchise that is my shortlist. I am not that interested in anyone else. Belichick, Reid and Carroll I discount on age grounds, Payton on well.... being Sean Payton.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd still have the Harbaugh you can trust #1. Kyle #2. McDermott #3. Genuinely if I was starting a franchise that is my shortlist. I am not that interested in anyone else. Belichick, Reid and Carroll I discount on age grounds, Payton on well.... being Sean Payton.

 

Definitely agreed on John Harbaugh.

 

Harbaugh as HC, Shanahan as OC, McD as DC. Let's go!

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Definitely agreed on John Harbaugh.

 

Harbaugh as HC, Shanahan as OC, McD as DC. Let's go!

 

Championship. 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Championship. 

 

Oh wait. Harbaugh and McD were already on a staff together, right? I think both were assistants on Reid's staff. What a tree that is.

[SCBills]

I think McDermott is absolutely worthy of this praise and am excited to see what he does in the first year his offensive talent is not below average. 
 

We all harp on his conservative nature, but we also have yet to see him coach with average - above average talent on offense.  
 

Last year was the best talent he’s had on O and it still consisted of 4 new OL, a 2nd year QB, rookie TE, rookie RB and a #2 WR as the #1 / slot WR as the #2.  
 

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by SCBills