NFL to play black National Anthem prior to Star Spangled banner

[BringBackFergy]

1 minute ago, Dopey said:

Takes two to tangle. Colored folks have been trying to bring to notice how inequitable this country has been for a long time...to deaf ears. A black national anthem is not going to further divide us, if we feel this movement is just. The encouraging part is there seems to be a lot more non-blacks protesting, including more white folk.

Stop saying “black”, “white” or “colored” and I’ll take you more seriously. We’re all humans first and Americans second. We all bleed red. 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Stop saying “black”, “white” or “colored” and I’ll take you more seriously. We’re all humans first and Americans second. We all bleed red. 

Commie.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just to be clear, this song is just being played before week 1 games, not every game. 
 

I had not heard this song before, but just listened to it, and it is a very uplifting, positive song. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, first_and_ten said:

 

Yeah, if you don't like politics in your sports then you don't want the National Anthem in them , right?

Id be fine with that. Save anthem for the Olympics.

[BringBackFergy]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Commie.

I just said we’re all Americans!!! (Most of us anyway...)

 

[Dopey]

29 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

It’s about the enduring spirit of American freedom. The flag is a SYMBOL of that freedom. It’s not about war. 
 

Oh, say, can you see? By the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming;
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming.
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air.
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there:
Oh, say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave?
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In fully glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Lyrics continue below

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And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution!
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Oh, thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust":
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave. 

 

yes, it was written during wartime, a war being fought on newly found American soil. Invaded and defended again, with the blood and spirit of freedom and liberty. People should be taught to embrace this, the way we used to be taught, so that when the flag waves and the words are sung by 75,000 people, that spirit fills us all. That same spirit which allows for a place in the world where people can disagree, and not be persecuted for it.

 

But pandering to the Twitter Mob is easier because people will be appeased, but never satisfied. 

I used to be taught that Christopher Columbus discovered "Merica.

https://secure.understandingprejudice.org/nativeiq/columbus.htm

 

"We shall take you and your wives and your children, and shall make slaves of them, and as such shall sell and dispose of them as their Highnesses may command; and we shall take away your goods, and shall do all the harm and damage that we can." [11]

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said:

I just said we’re all Americans!!! (Most of us anyway...)

 

Ahh, it was a relatively weak pun based on the statement that we all bleed red. I agree with your sentiment.

[klos63]

13 minutes ago, Beast said:

How many years ago?

seriously?   It's a continuous discussion, I remember as a kid a push for American the Beautiful.  That was the 70's , Tom Harkin made a effort in congress years ago.

[Dopey]

8 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Stop saying “black”, “white” or “colored” and I’ll take you more seriously. We’re all humans first and Americans second. We all bleed red. 

And I care if you take me seriously based on that?! GTFOOH with that!

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

This is fine. Whatever.

 

But who asked for this?

 

Black Americans have every right to be mad about perceived injustices, just like every other American. But what does this nonsense solve? 

 

These national brands and their ridiculous token support should be routinely mocked. No one cares that McDonald’s changed the Hamburglar to look more like a white guy.

 

Its so dumb.

 

Two divided Americas continue to form and it's not surprising because the US has been on this road for decades.  People keep getting dragged into this maelstrom via the cancel culture intended to force compliance to an ideology.  

 

And Corporate America is right in the middle of it, knowing if they don't embrace certain movements, they'll be hurt financially.  Wall Street or in this case a private business like the NFL don't want to run this risk so they acquiesce in hopes of being spared from additional wrath.  It is basic human nature to want to be liked and many weak minded companies/people go that route even if it means giving up your principles and values.  That's what the NFL is doing as are many others.  

 

On the other end of the spectrum are the fans, many of whom do not believe what is being perpetuated in the media.  Question now is whether they'll end up leaving and reducing their time and financial investment in the NFL.  We saw that happen in the wake of things a few years ago when attendance was reduced as players kneeled for the National Anthem.  If that happens again, where does the NFL go?  They'll give into the mob, but risk losing a fair amount of fan support.  There's no real middle ground in this anymore. 

[Mango]

15 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Takes two to tangle. Colored folks have been trying to bring to notice how inequitable this country has been for a long time...to deaf ears. A black national anthem is not going to further divide us, if we feel this movement is just. The encouraging part is there seems to be a lot more non-blacks protesting, including more white folk.

Correct. As I posted earlier, it’s not about a second song, it’s people being made to feel uncomfortable about their pen crappy ideologies.

 

I just had a similar conversation with a neighbor a week ago. She was upset that another neighbor, who is a POC, was racially profiled in our neighborhood. Others were of color cited being ID’d in their own driveway and yards by police. She was upset that “people were bringing this to her doorstep”. Well lady. The world exists, and whether you like it or not, this is life for your neighbors of color. By opening your door, these are the issues of the world. You can deal with them or keep your door closed and wait to die. 
 

People hate inconvenient truths. 

[muppy]

10 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

Just to be clear, this song is just being played before week 1 games, not every game. 
 

I had not heard this song before, but just listened to it, and it is a very uplifting, positive song. 

I wrongly assumed this would be weekly and not only for opening day. That makes a huge difference for me personally I should have read the link and not presumed based off of the thread title. Thank you for the clarification.  Once is an acknowledgment, every week is a mandate Big Difference

[FireChans]

Just now, Mango said:

Correct. As I posted earlier, it’s not about a second song, it’s people being made to feel uncomfortable about their pen crappy ideologies.

 

I just had a similar conversation with a neighbor a week ago. She was upset that another neighbor, who is a POC, was racially profiled in our neighborhood. Others were of color cited being ID’d in their own driveway and yards by police. She was upset that “people were bringing this to her doorstep”. Well lady. The world exists, and whether you like it or not, this is life for your neighbors of color. By opening your door, these are the issues of the world. You can deal with them or keep your door closed and wait to die. 
 

People hate inconvenient truths. 

A black national anthem by some faceless corporation does nothing to fix racial relations. The McDonald’s Twitter posting a black square does nothing.

[Mango]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

A black national anthem by some faceless corporation does nothing to fix racial relations. The McDonald’s Twitter posting a black square does nothing.

It may not “do anything” but they are the largest TV draw of the week, and they’re making a public display of which side they stand on. 
 

People don’t like their side, not their action in this. 

Edited July 3, 2020 by Mango

[muppy]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

Correct. As I posted earlier, it’s not about a second song, it’s people being made to feel uncomfortable about their pen crappy ideologies.

 

I just had a similar conversation with a neighbor a week ago. She was upset that another neighbor, who is a POC, was racially profiled in our neighborhood. Others were of color cited being ID’d in their own driveway and yards by police. She was upset that “people were bringing this to her doorstep”. Well lady. The world exists, and whether you like it or not, this is life for your neighbors of color. By opening your door, these are the issues of the world. You can deal with them or keep your door closed and wait to die. 
 

People hate inconvenient truths. 

the national conversation in the wake of George Floyd and all the aftermath I Think has woken a whole lot more peoples minds and hearts to racial inequality and racism than a kneeling Colin Kaepernick ever did. Meaningful changes are being made.to law enforcement practices for one thing. It's a start,  I'm sorry it took seeing that awful death to awaken consciousness to the extent I believe it has. Much more work to be done one person at a time meaning it begins with ME and hopefully make a discernable real difference. The anthem issue may involve at some point creating a new one? Maybe?

[Dopey]

2 minutes ago, Muppy said:

the national conversation in the wake of George Floyd and all the aftermath I Think has woken a whole lot more peoples minds and hearts to racial inequality and racism than a kneeling Colin Kaepernick ever did. Meaningful changes are being made.to law enforcement practices for one thing. It's a start,  I'm sorry it took seeing that awful death to awaken consciousness to the extent I believe it has. Much more work to be done one person at a time meaning it begins with ME and hopefully make a discernable real difference. The anthem issue may involve at some point creating a new one? Maybe?

Reading this was AWESOME! Thanks, for posting.

[Southtown Tommy]

10 minutes ago, Muppy said:

the national conversation in the wake of George Floyd and all the aftermath I Think has woken a whole lot more peoples minds and hearts to racial inequality and racism than a kneeling Colin Kaepernick ever did. Meaningful changes are being made.to law enforcement practices for one thing. It's a start,  I'm sorry it took seeing that awful death to awaken consciousness to the extent I believe it has. Much more work to be done one person at a time meaning it begins with ME and hopefully make a discernable real difference. The anthem issue may involve at some point creating a new one? Maybe?

Nah. The one we all have is really good.

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, Muppy said:

the national conversation in the wake of George Floyd and all the aftermath I Think has woken a whole lot more peoples minds and hearts to racial inequality and racism than a kneeling Colin Kaepernick ever did. Meaningful changes are being made.to law enforcement practices for one thing. It's a start,  I'm sorry it took seeing that awful death to awaken consciousness to the extent I believe it has. Much more work to be done one person at a time meaning it begins with ME and hopefully make a discernable real difference. The anthem issue may involve at some point creating a new one? Maybe?

 

As mentioned above, America The Beautiful is a much easier and superior song. The anthem should, IMO, be race neutral as we should all be seen as equal. We need to work on making that a full reality.  

[Blank Stare]

46 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

We’re all humans first and Americans second. We all bleed red. 

If it were only this simple, then we wouldn’t be in the position we are in now. For this to be true, people have to actually believe it. Unfortunately, there are still a good number of people that view POC as lesser. Therein lies the problem. 

[LeviF]

But I was told that ethno-nationalism was evil. Is it back on the table now?

[Robert James]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

So, should there be a white NA played before hockey and baseball games since whites are dominant In those sports?

That might have been appropriate if whites had been enslaved for centuries, and then disenfranchised, lynched, subjected to Jim Crow, subjected to segregation, ghettoized, and discriminated against systematically for the next 150+ years.  It could also be argued that the National Anthem in a sense is kind of a white anthem, since it was written to celebrate a country ruled by whites at a time when slavery was completely legal.      

[Robert James]

1 hour ago, Saint Doug said:

Provide a link to this “black national anthem”, what this “black nation” is, how does one get citizenship for it, and a pathway for other “races” to have one as well and I’m all aboard. 

 

Follow the link in the initial post to hear the black national anthem.  The black nation (which is a figurative expression) is our fellow citizens of color. 

 

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, Robert James said:

That might have been appropriate if whites had been enslaved for centuries, and then disenfranchised, lynched, subjected to Jim Crow, subjected to segregation, ghettoized, and discriminated against systematically for the next 150+ years.  It could also be argued that the National Anthem in a sense is kind of a white anthem, since it was written to celebrate a country ruled by whites at a time when slavery was completely legal.      

That tears it. We need a Jewish National Anthem!

[KD in CA]

There's a black National Anthem?  Learn something new every day.

 

Don't really care and if it makes the players happy (did they ask the players?) that's all fine, though it does seem like just more virtue signaling. 

[RaoulDuke79]

29 minutes ago, Robert James said:

That might have been appropriate if whites had been enslaved for centuries, and then disenfranchised, lynched, subjected to Jim Crow, subjected to segregation, ghettoized, and discriminated against systematically for the next 150+ years.  It could also be argued that the National Anthem in a sense is kind of a white anthem, since it was written to celebrate a country ruled by whites at a time when slavery was completely legal.      

Agreed......I would probably either leave or take up arms to "make things right". Also, how did the slaves get here? They didn't willingly hop on those ships. What about the slave traders in Africa? When is their card gonna get pulled?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, Muppy said:

I wrongly assumed this would be weekly and not only for opening day. That makes a huge difference for me personally I should have read the link and not presumed based off of the thread title. Thank you for the clarification.  Once is an acknowledgment, every week is a mandate Big Difference

I thought the same at first. I can see having a weekly competing anthem every week as being viewed as divisive. But playing the song one time to start the season is more of an acknowledgment, as you said. 

[Putin]

4 hours ago, first_and_ten said:

 

Yeah, if you don't like politics in your sports then you don't want the National Anthem in them , right?

Does the National Anthem promotes the Republican or the Democratic Party ? 
if I don’t want politics in sports should I be kneeling  ? And how does wearing a face mask fits in to all this ?? 
politics are very confusing , 

 

 

Edited July 3, 2020 by Putin

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Robert James said:

 

Follow the link in the initial post to hear the black national anthem.  The black nation (which is a figurative expression) is our fellow citizens of color. 

 

There is only one race

 

The human race

 

And division is why we will never get anywhere. That's a fact

 

Separating things into races and ethnicities is the absolute worst thing that can happen in this world

 

But I'm educated and I can see through all this division BS. I don't care if you're yellow brown black white or an orangutan

 

We are ALL part of the human race

Edited July 3, 2020 by Buffalo716

[Happy]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

There is only one race

 

The human race

 

And division is why we will never get anywhere. That's a fact

 

Separating things into races and ethnicities is the absolute worst thing that can happen in this world

 

But I'm educated and I can see through all this division BS

 

Bingo.  This is probably the best argument as to why a Black National Anthem is counter-productive.

[nedboy7]

You should have to wear an American flag on your head to watch an NFL game.  If you disagree you are a traitor commie. 

[Putin]

14 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

You should have to wear an American flag on your head to watch an NFL game.  If you disagree you are a traitor commie. 

You sir are a GREAT AMERICAN !!! 

[Sherlock Holmes]

27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

There is only one race

 

The human race

 

And division is why we will never get anywhere. That's a fact

 

Separating things into races and ethnicities is the absolute worst thing that can happen in this world

 

But I'm educated and I can see through all this division BS. I don't care if you're yellow brown black white or an orangutan

Now that's some racist $#!+... How dare you take attention away from the real matter at hand!!

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Robert James said:

That might have been appropriate if whites had been enslaved for centuries, and then disenfranchised, lynched, subjected to Jim Crow, subjected to segregation, ghettoized, and discriminated against systematically for the next 150+ years.  It could also be argued that the National Anthem in a sense is kind of a white anthem, since it was written to celebrate a country ruled by whites at a time when slavery was completely legal.      

The union abolished slavery , and hundreds of thousands of white people died to free the slaves

 

I don't think you can put the errors of the antebellum South, upon all the northern states in the Union, and all the men in the Union, white and black, who died for the cause

 

There were way more white people in the country who never owned slaves, then white slave owners. Which again is why making it a  race issue just sets things back

 

Because tons of white people died to free the slaves as well.. tons

 

We are all HUMAN

Edited July 3, 2020 by Buffalo716

[Penfield45]

3 hours ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

It’s about the enduring spirit of American freedom. The flag is a SYMBOL of that freedom. It’s not about war. 
 

Oh, say, can you see? By the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming;
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming.
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air.
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there:
Oh, say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave?
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In fully glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Lyrics continue below

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And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution!
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Oh, thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust":
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave. 

 

yes, it was written during wartime, a war being fought on newly found American soil. Invaded and defended again, with the blood and spirit of freedom and liberty. People should be taught to embrace this, the way we used to be taught, so that when the flag waves and the words are sung by 75,000 people, that spirit fills us all. That same spirit which allows for a place in the world where people can disagree, and not be persecuted for it.

 

But pandering to the Twitter Mob is easier because people will be appeased, but never satisfied. 

 

America really isn't that special, relax 

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

You should have to wear an American flag on your head to watch an NFL game.  If you disagree you are a traitor commie. 

 

don't forget "Marxist". its the new hot phrase they have been using. most of them can't even give a simple definition on the term actually. 

[Putin]

As a Jew I’d like to add this since we left Egypt as slaves thousands of years ago until today for my people it’s  been nothing but smooth sailing 

Edited July 3, 2020 by Putin

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Putin said:

As a Jew I’d like to add this since we left Egypt as slaves thousands of years ago until today for my people it’s  been nothing but smooth sailing 

Hebrews left Egypt! ?

Edited July 3, 2020 by Buffalo716

[Putin]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Hebrews left Egypt! ?

Then why the hell are my parents made me suffer for almost 2 weeks every year by eating this cardboard bread for Passover ?

Actually as a kid Passover was  the only ( Jewish) holiday that I really liked  !!!

GO BILLS !!!

 

Edited July 3, 2020 by Putin

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Putin said:

Then why the hell are my parents made me suffer for almost 2 weeks every year by eating this cardboard bread for Passover ?

Because God passed over the Hebrew people (who became Israelites, then Jewish) during the plague of the first born

 

Pharaoh losing his oldest son while realizing that all the Hebrews were passed over, led to his decision to let the Hebrew people go

 

Hence Passover because they were passed over by the plague of the first born!

 

Go bills!

Edited July 3, 2020 by Buffalo716

[Putin]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Because God passed over the Hebrew people (who became Israelites, then Jewish) during the plague of the first born

 

Pharaoh losing his oldest son while realizing that all the Hebrews were passed over, led to his decision to let the Hebrew people go

 

Hence Passover because they were passed over by the plague of the first born

So are you saying will be passed over by coronavirus as well  ?? ?

Edited July 3, 2020 by Putin

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Putin said:

So are you saying will be passed over by coronavirus as well  ?? ?

If you have enough hutzpah !