YoloinOhio Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Woo-hoo, love me some Embedded! Good fluff PR pieces but I’ll take it nonetheless... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 LOVE THESE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaT Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Puff piece or not, I always like when they peel back the curtains a little and show you what is going on 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) The Embedded series are excellent. I highly recommend them to anyone who hasn't seen them. I cant wait for more of these. Edited May 19, 2020 by TwistofFate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) Looking forward to it. I wonder if they'll have shots of Beane receiving the news from Ed Oliver, that would probably violate YouTube's decency standards? Edited May 23, 2020 by CSBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Something to look forward to Football wise. Great timing. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 These are always great but I'm not expecting this year to be as exciting because of the circumstances 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 I love this series! Glad its back! Fascinating thing though: I do always find it interesting how many of the people who were hard core against being on Hard Knocks saying it would be a distraction and cause all these issues. A lot of people were against Hard Knocks, feels like more than half the board...yet this series seems to be mostly loved by everyone. Not sure what the difference is for those people... So I still hope the Bills make Hard Knocks one of these days personally, or even better, All or Nothing on Amazon Prime where they follow the whole season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 McDermott looks like Popeye. i yam what I yam 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 3 minutes to show time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Haha. Pretty good group of people the Bills have in that room. Washington, Frazier, McDermott and Beane. 21 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I love this series! Glad its back! Fascinating thing though: I do always find it interesting how many of the people who were hard core against being on Hard Knocks saying it would be a distraction and cause all these issues. A lot of people were against Hard Knocks, feels like more than half the board...yet this series seems to be mostly loved by everyone. Not sure what the difference is for those people... So I still hope the Bills make Hard Knocks one of these days personally, or even better, All or Nothing on Amazon Prime where they follow the whole season. So I think the difference is Bills have total editorial control of this. You don't have total editorial control of Hard Knocks and I don't know about All or Nothing (feels to me like since the first couple teams have tightened up on that and the last couple have been dull as a result). I'd like the see the Bills do Hard Knocks. But to a non-Bills fan not sure how interesting our current regime is. Rex and Doug was the crew to do if you wanted to feature a Bills camp that was interesting to the neutral. The current Bills are good, but they are sensible and well managed. Chaos makes better TV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Haha. Pretty good group of people the Bills have in that room. Washington, Frazier, McDermott and Beane. So I think the difference is Bills have total editorial control of this. You don't have total editorial control of Hard Knocks and I don't know about All or Nothing (feels to me like since the first couple teams have tightened up on that and the last couple have been dull as a result). I'd like the see the Bills do Hard Knocks. But to a non-Bills fan not sure how interesting our current regime is. Rex and Doug was the crew to do if you wanted to feature a Bills camp that was interesting to the neutral. The current Bills are good, but they are sensible and well managed. Chaos makes better TV. I actually think Bills would draw good ratings as people like underdogs and to the outside, we are seen as a scrappy underdog team. So many people I know kept texting me last year during bigger games or just games they were watching for fantasy football reasons about how fun we were to watch, especially Allen. I think in past years, no one would have cared...but Josh is a gamer and fun to watch as he can make a crazy play at any moment. Although I would prefer to see us do All or Nothing, I think Bills regime would not want a camera crew for a whole season with a young team and its not likely. But you made a good point about Bills controlling Embedded and not Hard Knocks. But I think that has more to do with the team and FO than a fan. I was talking fans were freaking out about Hard Knocks while also loving Embedded. Just doesn't make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I actually think Bills would draw good ratings as people like underdogs and to the outside, we are seen as a scrappy underdog team. So many people I know kept texting me last year during bigger games or just games they were watching for fantasy football reasons about how fun we were to watch, especially Allen. I think in past years, no one would have cared...but Josh is a gamer and fun to watch as he can make a crazy play at any moment. Although I would prefer to see us do All or Nothing, I think Bills regime would not want a camera crew for a whole season with a young team and its not likely. But you made a good point about Bills controlling Embedded and not Hard Knocks. But I think that has more to do with the team and FO than a fan. I was talking fans were freaking out about Hard Knocks while also loving Embedded. Just doesn't make sense to me. I don't agree on the Bills being fun on Hard Knocks to a neutral. Sure it would be fun to us but when you think about the best moments from Hard Knocks they are "let's go eat a goddam snack" and "no more 7-9 bull####" and Jameis trying to eat a W. Hard Knocks, like it or loathe it, is much more fun when it features dysfunctional franchises. The Bills are finally highly functional. And yea, Josh is fun to watch play but that isn't really what Hard Knocks is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't agree on the Bills being fun on Hard Knocks to a neutral. Sure it would be fun to us but when you think about the best moments from Hard Knocks they are "let's go eat a goddam snack" and "no more 7-9 bull####" and Jameis trying to eat a W. Hard Knocks, like it or loathe it, is much more fun when it features dysfunctional franchises. The Bills are finally highly functional. And yea, Josh is fun to watch play but that isn't really what Hard Knocks is about. I guess we just get different things out of Hard Knocks...I dont care much for the dysfunctional, and maybe I didn't pay enough attention to it...but I dont really think its focused much on dysfunctional. Sure, there been a few things...but I don't feel like they are focusing on dysfunctional more so than they are focusing on interesting story lines, which sometimes turn dysfunctional. Bills are a good story line IMO...and would be good for the climate we are in right now. Good positive vibe, scrappy young team on the rise. But hey, just my 2 cents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: I guess we just get different things out of Hard Knocks...I dont care much for the dysfunctional, and maybe I didn't pay enough attention to it...but I dont really think its focused much on dysfunctional. Sure, there been a few things...but I don't feel like they are focusing on dysfunctional more so than they are focusing on interesting story lines, which sometimes turn dysfunctional. Bills are a good story line IMO...and would be good for the climate we are in right now. Good positive vibe, scrappy young team on the rise. But hey, just my 2 cents. Hard Knocks is about dysfunction. And when it isn't it is dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Hard Knocks is about dysfunction. And when it isn't it is dull. I respectfully disagree...I could care less about dysfunction. Sure, sometimes its a great story line to follow...but its not why I watch. Antonio Brown was great to follow on there because the story was just nuts and HK gave us an inside look beyond just headlines and tweets. But overall, I didnt love the Raiders on HK because of Brown, I loved watching Gruden and his staff, the young guys trying to make the roster, etc. Im just different...I bleed football, so I love the football in Hard Knocks and the guys fighting for spots. Dysfunction is meh. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Man these are shorter every year. Still fun content, but wish they could be a little longer/in-depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said: Man these are shorter every year. Still fun content, but wish they could be a little longer/in-depth. I mean it feels like we're lucky to get much of anything this time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said: Man these are shorter every year. Still fun content, but wish they could be a little longer/in-depth. I agree and my oldest son said the same. I suspect it was a result of the pandemic: just can’t have a camera team around when and where you want to build a more comprehensive piece. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 Just watched. I got the feeling they Really really wanted Moss similar to how they seemed to have really wanted Cody Ford last year when you watch the draft footage. As if he wasn’t so much BPA but rather, that’s a player we want. we have a 3rd rd grade (or higher) on him and that’s who are are taking, if we need to move up so be it. Glad they didn’t need to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I don't agree on the Bills being fun on Hard Knocks to a neutral. Sure it would be fun to us but when you think about the best moments from Hard Knocks they are "let's go eat a goddam snack" and "no more 7-9 bull####" and Jameis trying to eat a W. Hard Knocks, like it or loathe it, is much more fun when it features dysfunctional franchises. The Bills are finally highly functional. And yea, Josh is fun to watch play but that isn't really what Hard Knocks is about. I agree with Alpha: I enjoy watching how the other coaches coach and how the management deals with their personnel: it’s intriguing. From last year, Gruden and his ‘Chucky’ persona is the antithesis to McD. That’s interesting to me. I’m not looking for dysfunction, I’m looking for how they do what they do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Can’t wait for next week. I really enjoy these. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Just watched. I got the feeling they Really really wanted Moss similar to how they seemed to have really wanted Cody Ford last year when you watch the draft footage. As if he wasn’t so much BPA but rather, that’s a player we want. we have a 3rd rd grade (or higher) on him and that’s who are are taking, if we need to move up so be it. Glad they didn’t need to. The clip where they wanted Davis to have a slower 40 so he'd drop more was interesting definitely seems like they were interested in him too. Seems like the Bills got a whole bag of chips from the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 Just now, Warcodered said: The clip where they wanted Davis to have a slower 40 so he'd drop more was interesting definitely seems like they were interested in him too. Seems like the Bills got a whole bag of chips from the draft. Davis said at the end that the Bills had expressed interest in him pretty early on in the process. I believe there was a rumor they were trying to trade up for Duvernay at one point. But, they must have done a ton of scouting on WR this year so I feel like the ones that they took, they feel really good about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Never long enough. Love these things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) Is it late July yet .. or whenever TC will start. I need to overreact about routes v air. Football withdrawal big time. Edited May 21, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Warcodered said: The clip where they wanted Davis to have a slower 40 so he'd drop more was interesting definitely seems like they were interested in him too. That clip was money. They wanted Davis to fall so they could grab him. "Just run a 4.58." Love that these guys don't get enamored with 40 times and are looking for football players. And how many times did McD say "someone who will catch the ball" when talking about WRs? The dude gets it, unlike some around here believe. He knows why the passing game suffered last year, and it wasn't because of Josh's iNacCuRacY. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Is it late July yet .. or whenever TC will start. I need to overreact about routes v air. Football withdrawal big time. Runs into forum: * * * "Foster is clearly the #2." * * * Runs back out of forum. * Will that be good enough for you to overreact to? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, eball said: That clip was money. They wanted Davis to fall so they could grab him. "Just run a 4.58." Love that these guys don't get enamored with 40 times and are looking for football players. And how many times did McD say "someone who will catch the ball" when talking about WRs? The dude gets it, unlike some around here believe. He knows why the passing game suffered last year, and it wasn't because of Josh's iNacCuRacY. Yea that was a great clip. The other thing that really struck me is how close Joe Schoen is to Beane in all those moments. The Bills will miss him if he gets a GM job. He got mentioned a lot last year without getting an interview. But I honestly believe in terms of the talent evaluation expertise Schoen is where it is at. Beane is a great organiser, a strategic thinker, a guy who is able to develop and execute a long term plan but I think they lean on Schoen heavily on talent evaluation. There are other good scouts in the building, the likes of Brian Gaine at al, it is a very strong front office staff.... but Schoen is a key cog and he has Beane's total trust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 “In order for a WR to help us he’s got to catch the football.” Follows the theme of this offseason: correcting obvious deficiencies in technical ability. They missed a lot of tackles last season, so they signed guys that simply don’t miss tackles. They dropped an absurd percentage of passes last season, so they’re looking for guys that secure the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Davis said at the end that the Bills had expressed interest in him pretty early on in the process. I believe there was a rumor they were trying to trade up for Duvernay at one point. But, they must have done a ton of scouting on WR this year so I feel like the ones that they took, they feel really good about. Pretty much squashed that made up rumor with force. Where was all the Duggar footage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: “In order for a WR to help us he’s got to catch the football.” Follows the theme of this offseason: correcting obvious deficiencies in technical ability. They missed a lot of tackles last season, so they signed guys that simply don’t miss tackles. They dropped an absurd percentage of passes last season, so they’re looking for guys that secure the football. Its a very moneyball approach isnt it? "Why do we like this guy? He gets on base." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Back2Buff said: Pretty much squashed that made up rumor with force. Where was all the Duggar footage? No offense: Do you honestly think that they’d show a hot pursuit of a guy that they didn’t land, let alone one that went to a divisional foe? 7 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Its a very moneyball approach isnt it? "Why do we like this guy? He gets on base." Indeed. Fundamentals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 I’m a sucker for this kind of stuff. They did a really nice job with it and the Bills seemed to have drafted good guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Loved it!!! These are awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Indeed. Fundamentals. Its like the anti Rex Ryan approach. I watched his hard knocks not too long ago and they were showing the final roster spot battle. It came down to John Connor, a backup full back with a cool nickname. And some little running back Danny Woodhead, who could catch it, run it, was elusive and always seemed to make a play. Guess which one made the team and which one was signed by the evil empire a day later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 36 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Its like the anti Rex Ryan approach. I watched his hard knocks not too long ago and they were showing the final roster spot battle. It came down to John Connor, a backup full back with a cool nickname. And some little running back Danny Woodhead, who could catch it, run it, was elusive and always seemed to make a play. Guess which one made the team and which one was signed by the evil empire a day later? He brought Conner here with him too. Although I wouldn't but the blame for Conner getting the nod entirely on Rex. If I recall they had just spent a draft pick on him (maybe even a 4th / 5th rounder?) and teams rarely cut those guys before at least giving them a year on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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