YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) Edited May 1, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Who? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 tre white taken after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) Fins wheeling and dealing... Edited May 1, 2020 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Another poor draft selection by the fins....there's been too much of missing on high picks for their team to be consistently competitive. Doesn't break my heart...lol. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I dont even remember this guy coming out of college... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 Gross return on a 1st rounder 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Gross return on a 1st rounder As the great Pat Summerall would say. "that's true.................................value". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 "...Harris, the 22nd overall pick in the 2017 draft, had just 3 1/2 sacks in 41 games with Miami." Man, who was running the scouting department on that one? Chris Greer (GM), Adam Gase (Head Coach), Joe Schoen (Player Personnel--uh oh ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Lurker said: "...Harris, the 22nd overall pick in the 2017 draft, had just 3 1/2 sacks in 41 games with Miami." Man, who was running the scouting department on that one? Chris Greer (GM), Adam Gase (Head Coach), Joe Schoen (Player Personnel--uh oh ). forgot the guy that actually called the shot with Mike Tannebaum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Lurker said: "...Harris, the 22nd overall pick in the 2017 draft, had just 3 1/2 sacks in 41 games with Miami." Man, who was running the scouting department on that one? Chris Greer (GM), Adam Gase (Head Coach), Joe Schoen (Player Personnel--uh oh ). Yup Grier 1st year as GM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 now I would not be opposed to the Bills brining in Taco Charlton (who they also released) for a looksie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Charles Harris? Must’ve been a real threat off the edge ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yup Grier 1st year as GM Schoen had to be involed in that pick as well. It looks like everyone missed, however: DRAFT ANALYSIS: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/charles-harris?id=2558001 "Really solid pick here. I think he can play four-down or 3-4 linebacker; in Miami, it's four-down. He has a good first step and is explosive off the edge. This young man is adept at a pass rusher." -- Mike Mayock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: forgot the guy that actually called the shot with Mike Tannebaum Between the Jets and Phins, I'm a big fan of the work Mike Tannebaum has done in the AFC East for the Bills. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: As the great Pat Summerall would say. "that's true.................................value". So many people don't get this. I do. BRAVO. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: now I would not be opposed to the Bills brining in Taco Charlton (who they also released) for a looksie I mentioned this in the FA thread. He would be an interesting add. Still only 25, had five sacks last year. I think there is still upside there and I think he would be an ideal fit for this defensive scheme. It’s crazy to me that Harris fetched compensation (albeit low comp) and Taco did not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: I mentioned this in the FA thread. He would be an interesting add. Still only 25, had five sacks last year. I think there is still upside there and I think he would be an ideal fit for this defensive scheme. It’s crazy to me that Harris fetched compensation (albeit low comp) and Taco did not. Quinn Loved Harris in the Draft. That is what will cause a team to fire off a low round pick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) You know what would be incredible data... if teams could submit their draft boards to an anonymous process AFTER each draft and just make a consensus draft board out of it. Can't look at any teams ratings, just the final average slot for each player. Then we can see after a few years how well or poorly people drafted. The problem I have with criticizing a pick like Harris (or countless other busts) is that if the Dolphins didn't pick him, he probably would have been gone within the next 5-7 picks to be a bust for someone else. Most likely, evaluators as a whole got it wrong on the guy rather than just the one team that selected him. The Athletic has a great article on this that created a consensus board this year and last year from a collection of evaluators and pundits, but it would be incredible if that could be taken from the actual teams doing the picking. A reach is not a reach four years later, but in real-time if you're picking a guy #26 that the vast majority of the league is rating as a 5th rounder. Edited May 1, 2020 by cage 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) What did Mel Kiper say about him before the draft 32 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: now I would not be opposed to the Bills brining in Taco Charlton (who they also released) for a looksie Everyone needs a Taco right about now. Edited May 1, 2020 by ALLEN-2-DIGGS-TD!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 23 minutes ago, Lurker said: Schoen had to be involed in that pick as well. It looks like everyone missed, however: DRAFT ANALYSIS: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/charles-harris?id=2558001 "Really solid pick here. I think he can play four-down or 3-4 linebacker; in Miami, it's four-down. He has a good first step and is explosive off the edge. This young man is adept at a pass rusher." -- Mike Mayock I would look more to director of college scouting than director of player personnel 18 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Between the Jets and Phins, I'm a big fan of the work Mike Tannebaum has done in the AFC East for the Bills. He’s awful on radio. Always sounds like he has. Mouthful of marbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Well I mean, now that we have some Cox to use, we could certainly use some Taco. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) The Fins have absolutely no mid to high end talent on that roster. No win in the NFL is easy but I’m already counting 2 wins vs the Tuna. The Tuna will probably be tanking another season. Edited May 1, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 Mighty Taco endorsements for charlton make this a easy decision . Kidding aside, his speed to power combo could fit here, McD should give him a shot. Plus he’s from Columbus and a good kid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 51 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: So many people don't get this. I do. BRAVO. For those that don't, we just counter with the original "Now here's a guy..." 39 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I would look more to director of college scouting than director of player personnel He’s awful on radio. Always sounds like he has. Mouthful of marbles 'Tom Carvel' awful? ? 26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Mighty Taco endorsements for charlton make this a easy decision . With that name, Gase will be keeping an eye on Charlton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I feel like Taco has been cut 14 times in the past two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gugny said: I feel like Taco has been cut 14 times in the past two years. Your feeling is right. He was drafted by Dallas about three years ago, then bounced around from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Boy this kid fooled me; I remember thinking that he could bend and close, and expecting him to be an impact guy right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Yup Grier 1st year as GM I don’t blame Grier, this was a Gase pick. Gase is horrible at evaluating talent 2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: The Fins have absolutely no mid to high end talent on that roster. No win in the NFL is easy but I’m already counting 2 wins vs the Tuna. The Tuna will probably be tanking another season. Doubt it. They got some playmakers and they had a helluva draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Gross return on a 1st rounder Yup. Miami was just dumping the contract. $1.95M fully guaranteed left on it for this season. It goes to Atlanta for a nothing pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Gross return on a 1st rounder Ooof! 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: now I would not be opposed to the Bills brining in Taco Charlton (who they also released) for a looksie Why not? He's a young player who could benefit being with top defensive minded coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Mighty Taco endorsements for charlton make this a easy decision . Kidding aside, his speed to power combo could fit here, McD should give him a shot. Plus he’s from Columbus and a good kid. What will be different with the Bills vs Dallas/Miami? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: What will be different with the Bills vs Dallas/Miami? Some players fit into different schemes better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: I mentioned this in the FA thread. He would be an interesting add. Still only 25, had five sacks last year. I think there is still upside there and I think he would be an ideal fit for this defensive scheme. It’s crazy to me that Harris fetched compensation (albeit low comp) and Taco did not. I believe Taco's sacks/tackles per game are decent. Not sure why he has been cut twice, attitude issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 Just now, RyanC883 said: I believe Taco's sacks/tackles per game are decent. Not sure why he has been cut twice, attitude issue? That’s what Miami said. Jordan Phillips worked out ok though and they had same issue with him. I’m not Pounding the table for Charlton or anything but would have an interest in bringing him into camp especially in case of injury. He’s a good fit for the defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Some players fit into different schemes better. Yeah I get that but seems like more going on behind the scenes. Not sure he fits Buffalo's scheme better but only seen him play a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I don’t blame Grier, this was a Gase pick. Gase is horrible at evaluating talent Doubt it. They got some playmakers and they had a helluva draft They will be so lucky if the players that they drafted even get close to Tunsil and M. Fitzpatrick’s level of play. I thought Miami had a solid draft but nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: They will be so lucky if the players that they drafted even get close to Tunsil and M. Fitzpatrick’s level of play. I thought Miami had a solid draft but nothing special. With all those picks and cap space, the result of FA and draft was underwhelming to me. Tua notwithstanding if he succeeds. The one thing they really improved was their secondary and RB group (but the RBs couldn’t get worse) Edited May 1, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFreeman22 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Seasons1992 said: So many people don't get this. I do. BRAVO. wow, you remember a tv commercial, bravo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, SteveFreeman22 said: wow, you remember a tv commercial, bravo Point being, he was known to draw out things forever. Like when he would read the promo for "Murder..............................................................................................She Wrote." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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