Cal's Post Draft Grades (Mod edited) LAMP!!!!

[Cal]

AJ Epenesa - Love this pick, surprise he dropped to us. Is a better pass rusher than people give him credit and is great against the run....and you don't have to worry about this guy putting in effort. GRADE A

 

Zach Moss - At first i was not super excited about this pick...but after looking at some more tape. He is low to the ground downhill runner with some power. GRADE B

 

Gabriel Davis - Not a big fan of this pick. Did most of his damage against lower level teams and nothing pops when you see the tape. GRADE D

 

Jake Fromm - Worst pick in the draft for us. My buddy went to Georgia and I seen a lot of Fromm. He has a noodle arm. Benefited from playing on a powerhouse team. No way he will be able the cut the ball through Buffalo wind. This looks like a McDermott pick to me. GRADE F

 

Tyler Bass - We need a kicker, and he may he the best one in the draft. GRADE A

 

Isiah Hodgins - Great pick. Made some outstanding catches and high points the ball well. Could be the steal of the draft for us, needs more development. GRADE A

 

Dane Jackson - Looks pretty solid...and we could use some depth at CB. GRADE B

 

 

For the record I have no problem with the Bills drafting a QB. Backup QB is very important in the NFL especially now with all the mobile QBs. There were better options for Buffalo than Fromm. Believe me.

[NewEra]

Which QB should we have taken instead of Fromm?

 

 

[Mr. K]

OP just likes the Big 10 more than the SEC. 

 

I wondered why Jake Fromm though.

Edited April 26, 2020 by Mr. K

[Ya Digg?]

Just curious, who were the better options at that point?

[Cal]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Which QB should we have taken instead of Fromm?

 

 

 

I don't know if I would of went QB at that point. I liked Morgan and Eason but I believe they were both gone. Maybe could of gone and got a FA QB like Glennon and if Dalton gets released I would of loved that. I expect Barkley to win backup spot and Fromm to PS.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Cal said:

 

I don't know if I would of went QB at that point. I liked Morgan and Eason but I believe they were both gone. Maybe could of gone and got a FA QB like Glennon and if Dalton gets released I would of loved that. I expect Barkley to win backup spot and Fromm to PS.

Glennon.  LOL.

 

Dalton isn’t coming to Buffalo to be the backup

 

sorry, but I don’t believe you.  I believe Beane. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

14 minutes ago, Mr. K said:

OP just likes the Big 10 more than the SEC. 

 

I wondered why Jake Fromm though.

Well is that’s true he should stop evaluating college talent now. SEC by far has more superior talent than the Big 10.

 

i do think the circumstances this year forced many front offices to fall back on conference bias. If all things SEEMED equal, like stats and physical measurements,  take the player that played against better talent.

[Cal]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Glennon.  LOL.

 

Dalton isn’t coming to Buffalo to be the backup

 

sorry, but I don’t believe you.  I believe Beane. 

 

You'll see. Follow blindly, I don't care.

[FireChans]

32 minutes ago, Cal said:

AJ Epenesa - Love this pick, surprise he dropped to us. Is a better pass rusher than people give him credit and is great against the run....and you don't have to worry about this guy putting in effort. GRADE A

 

Zach Moss - At first i was not super excited about this pick...but after looking at some more tape. He is low to the ground downhill runner with some power. GRADE B

 

Gabriel Davis - Not a big fan of this pick. Did most of his damage against lower level teams and nothing pops when you see the tape. GRADE D

 

Jake Fromm - Worst pick in the draft for us. My buddy went to Georgia and I seen a lot of Fromm. He has a noodle arm. Benefited from playing on a powerhouse team. No way he will be able the cut the ball through Buffalo wind. This looks like a McDermott pick to me. GRADE F

 

Tyler Bass - We need a kicker, and he may he the best one in the draft. GRADE A

 

Isiah Hodgins - Great pick. Made some outstanding catches and high points the ball well. Could be the steal of the draft for us, needs more development. GRADE A

 

Dane Jackson - Looks pretty solid...and we could use some depth at CB. GRADE B

 

 

For the record I have no problem with the Bills drafting a QB. Backup QB is very important in the NFL especially now with all the mobile QBs. There were better options for Buffalo than Fromm. Believe me.

How do you grade Dane Jackson when you just learned about him yesterday? 

 

If you're pretending you know anything about this dude, you lose cred.

[Cal]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

How do you grade Dane Jackson when you just learned about him yesterday? 

 

If you're pretending you know anything about this dude, you lose cred.

 

Watched a little on him after we drafted him

 

[NewEra]

Just now, Cal said:

 

You'll see. Follow blindly, I don't care.

You’re the one that said there are plenty of other options We could’ve drafted......then proceeded to talked about 2 QBs that we’re selected before Fromm.

 

then you mentioned Mike Glennon......

 

then you mentioned a QB that would likely never sign here.

 

if I’m following blindly, your leading like a brainless mute.

[Cal]

Just now, NewEra said:

You’re the one that said there are plenty of other options We could’ve drafted......then proceeded to talked about 2 QBs that we’re selected before Fromm.

 

then you mentioned Mike Glennon......

 

then you mentioned a QB that would likely never sign here.

 

if I’m following blindly, your leading like a brainless mute.

 

Options as a player. Not necessarily a QB. Maybe a LB to add depth. We will revisit this in September and see where your boy Fromm is.

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

You’re the one that said there are plenty of other options We could’ve drafted......then proceeded to talked about 2 QBs that we’re selected before Fromm.

 

then you mentioned Mike Glennon......

 

then you mentioned a QB that would likely never sign here.

 

if I’m following blindly, your leading like a brainless mute.

 

Glennon is better than Fromm. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

I like the Fromm pick simply because QB is so hard to project. He could be Peterman or he could be Cousins. I like taking fliers on guys even if you have one already as long as it’s not too high of a pick. 
 

the only pick I didn’t like too much was Davis

Also, just a reminder that Fromm beat out Fields and Eason as a rookie 

[wppete]

1 hour ago, Cal said:

AJ Epenesa - Love this pick, surprise he dropped to us. Is a better pass rusher than people give him credit and is great against the run....and you don't have to worry about this guy putting in effort. GRADE A

 

Zach Moss - At first i was not super excited about this pick...but after looking at some more tape. He is low to the ground downhill runner with some power. GRADE B

 

Gabriel Davis - Not a big fan of this pick. Did most of his damage against lower level teams and nothing pops when you see the tape. GRADE D

 

Jake Fromm - Worst pick in the draft for us. My buddy went to Georgia and I seen a lot of Fromm. He has a noodle arm. Benefited from playing on a powerhouse team. No way he will be able the cut the ball through Buffalo wind. This looks like a McDermott pick to me. GRADE F

 

Tyler Bass - We need a kicker, and he may he the best one in the draft. GRADE A

 

Isiah Hodgins - Great pick. Made some outstanding catches and high points the ball well. Could be the steal of the draft for us, needs more development. GRADE A

 

Dane Jackson - Looks pretty solid...and we could use some depth at CB. GRADE B

 

 

For the record I have no problem with the Bills drafting a QB. Backup QB is very important in the NFL especially now with all the mobile QBs. There were better options for Buffalo than Fromm. Believe me.

 

 

Awful analysis especial with the Gabriel Davis pick. Just awful.

[Cal]

2 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

 

Awful analysis especial with the Gabriel Davis pick. Just awful.

 

That's your opinion 

[First Round Bust]

I am excited by the Fromm pick; the kid is an over-achiever who has beaten the odds at GA; his teammates love him; his twitter profile name is hilarious;...Jake Fromm State Farm.

The kid works very-very hard and is very smart (highest wonderlic score for all QBs this year) makes quick 1-2-3 reads and has played at the highest level of college football; is very humble and hungry...and gosh darn it has made an excellent first impression FWIW.

 

Same agency as Josh so they are already introducing and texting on day one; Fromm is going to add to the qb room with questions and insights so I see this as a plus as well as learning from the others.  Jake has the team first personality so I don't see the kid pouting over sitting as backup.

I betcha that the Pats would have taken him right after us in the draft as he is the kind of guy BB desires as Pats ended-up not drafting a qb to which BB says "not by design"...

 

Ying-yang with Josh, the uber athlete and Jake the uber intellect.

 

I see Jake as more of a west coast qb, where they could possibly script 8-10-12 plays for him to come in as a change of pace to give Josh a break of if he does something stupid. 

Could this be a Kelly-Reich mutually beneficial relationship that last several enjoyable years ??? hopefully

As far as arm strength, sure, but how many long throws did Josh make last year given that he only long sporadically and inaccurately ?

 

[Cal]

1 minute ago, First Round Bust said:

I am excited by the Fromm pick; the kid is an over-achiever who has beaten the odds at GA; his teammates love him; his twitter profile name is hilarious;...Jake Fromm State Farm.

The kid works very-very hard and is very smart (highest wonderlic score for all QBs this year) makes quick 1-2-3 reads and has played at the highest level of college football; is very humble and hungry...and gosh darn it has made an excellent first impression FWIW.

 

Same agency as Josh so they are already introducing and texting on day one; Fromm is going to add to the qb room with questions and insights so I see this as a plus as well as learning from the others.  Jake has the team first personality so I don't see the kid pouting over sitting as backup.

I betcha that the Pats would have taken him right after us in the draft as he is the kind of guy BB desires as Pats ended-up not drafting a qb to which BB says "not by design"...

 

Ying-yang with Josh, the uber athlete and Jake the uber intellect.

 

I see Jake as more of a west coast qb, where they could possibly script 8-10-12 plays for him to come in as a change of pace to give Josh a break of if he does something stupid. 

Could this be a Kelly-Reich mutually beneficial relationship that last several enjoyable years ??? hopefully

As far as arm strength, sure, but how many long throws did Josh make last year given that he only long sporadically and inaccurately ?

 

 

Guys from much smaller schools went ahead of Fromm for a reason. He is like John Parker Wilson was from Alabama or even Murray recently from Georgia. Benefited from the talent around him. He is a practice squad guy in the NFL.

[BeastMaster]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Which QB should we have taken instead of Fromm?

 

 

Someone that can actually be able to throw in NewEra would be nice.

 

This kid is the same as Barkley...will not be able to hack it in Buffalo, and maybe not anywhere.

 

It's a 5th rounder, so I don't care too much...just think it's a wasted pick.

[Bangarang]

Whenever people tell me that they weren’t happy about a pick until they saw more tape, what they’re basically saying is they watched highlights on YouTube.

 

 

[wppete]

11 minutes ago, Cal said:

 

That's your opinion 

 

Yes it is. 

[Cal]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Whenever people tell me that they weren’t happy about a pick until they saw more tape, what they’re basically saying is they watched highlights on YouTube.

 

 

 

Ok. Bill Polian.

[ChevyVanMiller]

22 minutes ago, Cal said:

 

That's your opinion 

His and some guy named Brandon Beane.

[Cal]

5 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

His and some guy named Brandon Beane.

 

So you agree with everything Brandon Beane and McDermott do? I'm my own man.

1 hour ago, Mr. K said:

OP just likes the Big 10 more than the SEC. 

 

I wondered why Jake Fromm though.

 

The SEC doesn't produce good NFL QBs. Very few, if any. Fromm is like Murray was from Georgia a few years back...and to be honest Murray was much better 

[BuffaninATL]

2 hours ago, Chemical said:

I like the Fromm pick simply because QB is so hard to project. He could be Peterman or he could be Cousins. I like taking fliers on guys even if you have one already as long as it’s not too high of a pick. 
 

the only pick I didn’t like too much was Davis

Also, just a reminder that Fromm beat out Fields and Eason as a rookie 

 

not exactly. Eason started the season, got hurt, then got Wally Pipped by Fromm who never relinquished the starter's job. That's why Eason transferred to UW.

Edited April 26, 2020 by BuffaninATL
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[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Cal said:

 

Options as a player. Not necessarily a QB. Maybe a LB to add depth. We will revisit this in September and see where your boy Fromm is.

 

Glennon is better than Fromm. 

How do you reconcile this from your OP with the statement above?

 

"For the record I have no problem with the Bills drafting a QB. Backup QB is very important in the NFL especially now with all the mobile QBs. There were better options for Buffalo than Fromm. Believe me."

 

You skated that back better than an NHL defenseman.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

His and some guy named Brandon Beane.

Mine too!!

55 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

How do you reconcile this from your OP with the statement above?

 

"For the record I have no problem with the Bills drafting a QB. Backup QB is very important in the NFL especially now with all the mobile QBs. There were better options for Buffalo than Fromm. Believe me."

 

You skated that back better than an NHL defenseman.

Thanks.  Was about to quote the same thing.  Cal, you lose.  Making yourself look like a lying blind, mute imo

[Mr. K]

1 hour ago, Cal said:

 

So you agree with everything Brandon Beane and McDermott do? I'm my own man.

 

The SEC doesn't produce good NFL QBs. Very few, if any. Fromm is like Murray was from Georgia a few years back...and to be honest Murray was much better 

 

I dont understand why they picked Fromm. I figured they were happy with Barkley and would bring in a couple camp arms via UDFA. I don't even agree with everything I do in retrospect. I stay objective. I agree with you the SEC doesn't produce excellent QB talent and  Aaron Murray and Jake Fromm are very similar. 

[First Round Bust]

1 hour ago, Cal said:

 

So you agree with everything Brandon Beane and McDermott do? I'm my own man.

 

The SEC doesn't produce good NFL QBs. Very few, if any. Fromm is like Murray was from Georgia a few years back...and to be honest Murray was much better 

lets see...Peyton and Eli Manning, Dak Prescott,  Lock from Mizzou, Stafford Lions-UGA),  and Tua was the first qb pick from Ala and of course the long history of Ala qbs starting with the 60,70,80s...come to mind without any effort...so your point again was ?

[foreboding]

Who is Cal?

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Whenever people tell me that they weren’t happy about a pick until they saw more tape, what they’re basically saying is they watched highlights on YouTube.

 

 

Yeah, and then they call it "watching tape", haha. Not the same thing.

[Mountain Man]

3 hours ago, Cal said:

 

I don't know if I would of went QB at that point. I liked Morgan and Eason but I believe they were both gone. Maybe could of gone and got a FA QB like Glennon and if Dalton gets released I would of loved that. I expect Barkley to win backup spot and Fromm to PS.

Mike Glennon? As in Mike Glennon Mike Glennon? 

[MrEpsYtown]

Mike Glennon has made his triumphant return as a thing on a Bills forum. What is this 2013? I wonder what Dennis Dixon is up to. 

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, Cal said:

 

Options as a player. Not necessarily a QB. Maybe a LB to add depth. We will revisit this in September and see where your boy Fromm is.

 

Glennon is better than Fromm. 

I doubt any GM in the NFL would take Glennon right now over Fromm.  Glennon is awful.  
 

You’re not helping your case here with stuff like this.  
 

Im not saying Fromm is gonna be great, I don’t really care to be honest.  But Glennon is awful and there is reason Jake Fromm has a job right now and Glennon does not.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Cal said:

 

So you agree with everything Brandon Beane and McDermott do? I'm my own man.

 

The SEC doesn't produce good NFL QBs. Very few, if any. Fromm is like Murray was from Georgia a few years back...and to be honest Murray was much better 

Yeah this is true. We’ll never see two SEC QBs go say, top 5 in the same draft. Ever.

[Motorin']

2 hours ago, BeastMaster said:

Someone that can actually be able to throw in NewEra would be nice.

 

This kid is the same as Barkley...will not be able to hack it in Buffalo, and maybe not anywhere.

 

It's a 5th rounder, so I don't care too much...just think it's a wasted pick.

I can see Beane having a plan to parlay Fromm into a 3rd round pick. 

[JoPoy88]

What is it about draft season that makes so many people around here suddenly fill up with delusional self-importance and refer to themselves in the 3rd person in the title of their threads? Doesn’t really happen at any other time of the year. 

[njbuff]

At the end of the day you just hope who is the better clipboard holder between Barkley and Fromm, because if Allen goes down...............

 

WATCH OUT. ?

[CNYfan]

I try to stay optimistic but I will say I did not like the AJ Epanesa selection.

 

The reports that he lacks twitch, bend and speed were a put off for me.  

 

I cannot see this guy effectively chasing a QB or RBs on sweeps and arounds.  

 

I hope I am wrong.  Seems like a fine young man who has worked hard to get to this point.   

[Chandler#81]

I’d slap up the proverbial ‘This thread no longer contributing’ spiel, but that would be overkill. 

 

Perhaps this amendment; LAME LAMP...