Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Beane has done a great job of adding and retaining talent for the OL. WR group will be one of the best in the league. RB went from old to young in two years. TE group has more talent than ever in Bills history. But they still have no great pass rusher. I know Clowney is overrated but put him on that front four and the defense goes from very good to devastating. Oliver will be better and the free agents ends and linebackers are solid but not spectacular. One more move and only Allen holds this team back from AFC Championship appearance. Please go get Clowney!!!! 4 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Couldn't agree more. A 6th DE is exactly what this team is lacking. 3 26 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Let's just cut the whole defense and bring in more linemen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Don’t tell Beane how to live his life! 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Yeah, I think our DL makes up enough of the 55 already. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Beane has done a great job of adding and retaining talent for the OL. WR group will be one of the best in the league. RB went from old to young in two years. TE group has more talent than ever in Bills history. But they still have no great pass rusher. I know Clowney is overrated but put him on that front four and the defense goes from very good to devastating. Oliver will be better and the free agents ends and linebackers are solid but not spectacular. One more move and only Allen holds this team back from AFC Championship appearance. Please go get Clowney!!!! Lol no great pass rusher? Come on. Trent Murphy had as many sacks as clowney last year. Oh, do a quick google search of Mario Addison and see what he’s done that past 6-7 years. He’s a great pass rusher 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Stupid comments in this thread... yeah we have bodies... not like we're going on a superbowl run or anything this year. Theres two people you can cut and you have enough money to sign him for a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 They are drafting like they are going to the super bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 For the love of God, we are not getting Clowney or Ngakoue! This was a ridiculous idea BEFORE we drafted Epenesa. Now it's downright moronic. Just stop people! 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, akcash said: Stupid comments in this thread... yeah we have bodies... not like we're going on a superbowl run or anything this year. Theres two people you can cut and you have enough money to sign him for a year. See the post above right above yours...and then re-evaluate your life. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I like the idea of getting Clowney. Why not? We have the money, guys will get hurt, not pan out, rotate, etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, akcash said: Stupid comments in this thread... yeah we have bodies... not like we're going on a superbowl run or anything this year. Theres two people you can cut and you have enough money to sign him for a year. Yeah, let's sign the guy that gets us 3 sacks. Championship! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Our D line is already stacked. Absolutely do not need an overrated and overpriced Clowney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Lol no great pass rusher? Come on. Trent Murphy had as many sacks as clowney last year. Oh, do a quick google search of Mario Addison and see what he’s done that past 6-7 years. He’s a great pass rusher OMG....face palm....now Murphy is as good as Clowney.....and Epenesa is King Leonidas.....funny stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) The fact that Clowney is still available should tell you everything you need to know. The guy is not elite but wants an elite contract. He's not that good and GM's know it. He'll sign another prove it deal, get 4 sacks, and we'll repeat this nonsense next year. 2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: OMG....face palm....now Murphy is as good as Clowney.....and Epenesa is King Leonidas.....funny stuff I see Clowney as more the Jerry Hughes type. Above average defensive end who can produce if there is elite talent around him. The difference is Clowney thinks he's a hall of famer. Edited April 25, 2020 by MJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: OMG....face palm....now Murphy is as good as Clowney.....and Epenesa is King Leonidas.....funny stuff Lmao you just ignored the part about Addison, who's 11th in the league in sacks over the last 4 years. Keep being miserable on purpose. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) after the draft a trade for trent williams is more likely than a trade for clowney or ngakoue edit: just saw he was already traded Edited April 25, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 yea ...nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: OMG....face palm....now Murphy is as good as Clowney.....and Epenesa is King Leonidas.....funny stuff Last season Murphy had 5 sacks. Clowney had 3. Wasn’t about being as “good” the post was about we need an elite pass rusher in clowney to replace Murphy. So for fun, let’s do two years. Murphy with 9 sacks, clowney with 12. There is obviously more to clowneys game but he’s not an elite pass rusher or the missing piece to this defensive line. Similar to Murphy his production does not meet his price tag. And that’s why he’s not on a roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 31 minutes ago, peterpan said: I like the idea of getting Clowney. Why not? We have the money, guys will get hurt, not pan out, rotate, etc. I agree, who knows what wear and tear a 17 game season will bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Clowney? Never happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: after the draft a trade for trent williams is more likely than a trade for clowney or ngakoue edit: just saw he was already traded No, no, it may still be more likely. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I know he gets flack on here but I'd rather have Murphy at his contract then Clowney at his and we're loaded on the DL besides that. I forgot , Hughes lost a step , according to many on here. The same guy that had 3 sacks and 4 hurries in the Wildcard game against the highest paid LT in the league.. This DL is going to be greatly improved. Addison is a big time upgrade. QJeff was an upgrade. Harry is back. Butler is an upgrade . Oliver should be playing at an all pro level . ?. And now AJ , we're loaded and extremely versatile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) Clowney = shiny toy. McBeanes don't do "shiny toys" . Pass. You have the roster right now to win the Division. Go get Milano, Tre and your own guys signed. Go win the Division!! Edited April 25, 2020 by ProcessTruster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: I know he gets flack on here but I'd rather have Murphy at his contract then Clowney at his and we're loaded on the DL besides that. I forgot , Hughes lost a step , according to many on here. The same guy that had 3 sacks and 4 hurries in the Wildcard game against the highest paid LT in the league.. This DL is going to be greatly improved. Addison is a big time upgrade. QJeff was an upgrade. Harry is back. Butler is an upgrade . Oliver should be playing at an all pro level . ?. And now AJ , we're loaded and extremely versatile Hughes is still very good. Murphy is absolute garbage. Clowney is overrated but on a one year prove it deal he would be a great. They just picked up 5th year extension on White. Even if they wanted to extend him it would not affect cap now as it would have to be years after his current deal. They have the money to spend now. There is no tomorrow. Win now while Allen is cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Hughes is still very good. Murphy is absolute garbage. Clowney is overrated but on a one year prove it deal he would be a great. They just picked up 5th year extension on White. Even if they wanted to extend him it would not affect cap now as it would have to be years after his current deal. They have the money to spend now. There is no tomorrow. Win now while Allen is cheap. Agreed. Although Murphy played big in Houston. I really think that was the motivation behind the Diggs deal , the window is probably the next 3 seasons, maybe the next 4. But they are really just roster building for the next 4-5 years and beyond. This roster will be strong for 4-6 years. They did it right. They have cap, a strong roster and Allen for 3 years more at least. Gotta like it. Edited April 25, 2020 by ProcessTruster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Lets not forget Phillips coming back to this D line, he was having a great start last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, 1ManRaid said: Our D line is already stacked. Absolutely do not need an overrated and overpriced Clowney. What if it's a 1 deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said: What if it's a 1 deal? You're asking a lot of why not when the real question is WHY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 hours ago, akcash said: Stupid comments in this thread... yeah we have bodies... not like we're going on a superbowl run or anything this year. Theres two people you can cut and you have enough money to sign him for a year. "we have bodies" Now THAT was a stupid comment......I invite you to look to see where our D was ranked last year and that does not happen without quality DL. We have already aggressively addressed this last year, in free agenc this year, and in the draft with our 2nd pick. You care too much about the name on the back of the jersey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: "we have bodies" Now THAT was a stupid comment......I invite you to look to see where our D was ranked last year and that does not happen without quality DL. We have already aggressively addressed this last year, in free agenc this year, and in the draft with our 2nd pick. You care too much about the name on the back of the jersey. I don't care about name on jersey. And I agree they have addressed the losses but they still lack a dominant pass rush. Hughes will be a year older. Both starting DE will be over 30. Pass rush equals turnovers. I wanted two edge players in this draft and they got one. It's the only missing part on the defense except perhaps backup FS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I don't care about name on jersey. And I agree they have addressed the losses but they still lack a dominant pass rush. Hughes will be a year older. Both starting DE will be over 30. Pass rush equals turnovers. I wanted two edge players in this draft and they got one. It's the only missing part on the defense except perhaps backup FS. On a top 5 defense..... Look I think its important to note what type of DE's McD is looking for here and how that impacts the plan..... Love Hughes.....but look at the trend of the way McD is going with his ends.....our 2nd round pick this year? Daryl Williams from last year? these guys are mountains with huge wingspans. I say this right here right now....I think the vets we brought in and have will be solid this year.....and if Daryl Williams has been in a weightroom this offseason.....combined with AJ who was a 1st round talent....we are absolutely fine at DE. We focused on getting better with our INTERIOR pass rush.....allowing long wingspan edges to contain and work outside in. Until McD has shown that he DOESNT have a very good defense....I refuse to worry about this. Want to help our top 5 defense? Score more points (which it looks like they understand with this draft.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I don't care about name on jersey. And I agree they have addressed the losses but they still lack a dominant pass rush. Hughes will be a year older. Both starting DE will be over 30. Pass rush equals turnovers. I wanted two edge players in this draft and they got one. It's the only missing part on the defense except perhaps backup FS. Well, as nicely as I can, I have to call BS on that statement that you don’t care about the name on the jersey. If that were true, you would not be advocating for Clowney. Without the name, if you just looked at production, you would quickly conclude there is no need for the player as the Bills already have players who equal or exceed that production. With the name and injury history, and the ridiculous contract demands, hard no. Spurious argument you are making all around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share Posted April 26, 2020 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: On a top 5 defense..... Look I think its important to note what type of DE's McD is looking for here and how that impacts the plan..... Love Hughes.....but look at the trend of the way McD is going with his ends.....our 2nd round pick this year? Daryl Williams from last year? these guys are mountains with huge wingspans. I say this right here right now....I think the vets we brought in and have will be solid this year.....and if Daryl Williams has been in a weightroom this offseason.....combined with AJ who was a 1st round talent....we are absolutely fine at DE. We focused on getting better with our INTERIOR pass rush.....allowing long wingspan edges to contain and work outside in. Until McD has shown that he DOESNT have a very good defense....I refuse to worry about this. Want to help our top 5 defense? Score more points (which it looks like they understand with this draft.) Top 5 in yards (tied for 10th in takeaways) and folded in the playoff game, but I generally agree with everything you posted. You can score more points with short fields off of turnovers. That is why I want more pass rush. They let the best interior pass rusher go and now they have to hope Oliver gets better. He was improving throughout the year. Bringing back the OL and adding Diggs t back-up RB is perfect, but the offense is all about Allen's development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share Posted April 26, 2020 1 hour ago, FLFan said: Well, as nicely as I can, I have to call BS on that statement that you don’t care about the name on the jersey. If that were true, you would not be advocating for Clowney. Without the name, if you just looked at production, you would quickly conclude there is no need for the player as the Bills already have players who equal or exceed that production. With the name and injury history, and the ridiculous contract demands, hard no. Spurious argument you are making all around. Clowney would have third highest career sack total on the team in 5 seasons compared to Addison (8) and Hughes(10). After his rookie year, in the last 5 years Clowney has missed 9 games. Not great but not terrible. Addison has only missed 3 in that same time but is 5 years older. He is a productive and disruptive DE. Not worth elite money I agree 100%. But he would make the defense better and they have the money to bring him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 22 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Top 5 in yards (tied for 10th in takeaways) and folded in the playoff game, but I generally agree with everything you posted. You can score more points with short fields off of turnovers. That is why I want more pass rush. They let the best interior pass rusher go and now they have to hope Oliver gets better. He was improving throughout the year. Bringing back the OL and adding Diggs t back-up RB is perfect, but the offense is all about Allen's development. Are you saying lawson or the dt we got from Miami was our best interior pass rush guy aj replaces everything we got from lawson but even if he didn’t free agent Jefferson will addison has a lot of sacks over the last 2 years olver was virtually unblockable by the end of the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Just now, Ethan in Portland said: Clowney would have third highest career sack total on the team in 5 seasons compared to Addison (8) and Hughes(10). After his rookie year, in the last 5 years Clowney has missed 9 games. Not great but not terrible. Addison has only missed 3 in that same time but is 5 years older. He is a productive and disruptive DE. Not worth elite money I agree 100%. But he would make the defense better and they have the money to bring him in. Signing Clowney would really be outside the box for Beane. Clowney has middle of the pack production, wants to be paid like he's top 5, and doesn't have the type of attitude he generally looks for..everything about Clowney screams desperation signing for whatever team gives into the type of money he wants. Desperation signing rarely work out. Why would you pay top 5 money to a guy that struggles with consistency? Seems like you're setting yourself up to be disappointed with a guy like that once he gets paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Clowney would have third highest career sack total on the team in 5 seasons compared to Addison (8) and Hughes(10). After his rookie year, in the last 5 years Clowney has missed 9 games. Not great but not terrible. Addison has only missed 3 in that same time but is 5 years older. He is a productive and disruptive DE. Not worth elite money I agree 100%. But he would make the defense better and they have the money to bring him in. Every rep you give Clowney Takes a rep away from Esparza we might have to cut Murphy as it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share Posted April 26, 2020 Just now, John from Riverside said: Are you saying lawson or the dt we got from Miami was our best interior pass rush guy aj replaces everything we got from lawson but even if he didn’t free agent Jefferson will addison has a lot of sacks over the last 2 years olver was virtually unblockable by the end of the year Jordan Phillips - 9.5 sacks from the DT spot. Yes he led the team in sacks last year. He is gone. And yes Oliver played better as the year went on. I agree, AJ looks like he can do everything Lawson did. He is tall, stout, and a hustle player. Most of Lawson's sacks last year were effort sacks. Good solid draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said: Jordan Phillips - 9.5 sacks from the DT spot. Yes he led the team in sacks last year. He is gone. And yes Oliver played better as the year went on. I agree, AJ looks like he can do everything Lawson did. He is tall, stout, and a hustle player. Most of Lawson's sacks last year were effort sacks. Good solid draft pick. He says he models his game after JJ Watt I wonder how close he can get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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