ColoradoBills Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) I want Beane to go into the draft looking for offensive playmakers with the first 3 out of 4 picks and maybe a later pick or 2. There, I said it and feel better already. Stefon Diggs was a great start but he is the only playmaker upgrade so far. In fact he is the only starter change on O from last year. Getting a backup RB (like many have suggested) and calling it a day is the last thing I want to see. For all the "we need more on Defense" posters I understand your concerns and want to see many of the upgrades too BUT much of that has been addressed in FA and let's all acknowledge that the D will continue to be "Way above average" this coming year. Do we think Diggs is all that is needed for the Bills Offense to get "Way above Average"? The Bills have Allen, Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Knox and Singletary as starters. Singletary IMO is not a 65% snap count kind of back. Knox is still a work in progress and Brown and Beasley are already into their prime age contracts. If any of these guys are lost for any amount of time who are their replacements? Yeldon, DiMarco, Kroft, Roberts, Williams, McKenzie, Barkley, Jones and Foster are all FA's next year. How many of them are needed/wanted for the future? Lee Smith has 2 years left on his contract. How many want to see him on the team in 2021? The other JAG's Croom, McCloud, Easley, Becker, Webb, Wade, the Professor and Mary Ann are all 50 to 1 long shots. With exception of Mary Ann! Let's start rotating out of these above players now with rookies on 4 year cheap contracts and not wait to do it all next year! With the exception of an Edge Rusher I want Beane to get playmakers to help score as many points as possible and/or establish some decent long term depth. A consistent Punter wouldn't hurt in the 6th or 7th too. Edited April 16, 2020 by ColoradoBills 16 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I want Beane to go into the draft looking for offensive playmakers with the first 3 out of 4 picks and maybe a later pick or 2. There, I said it and feel better already. Stefon Diggs was a great start but he is the only playmaker upgrade so far. In fact he is the only starter change on O from last year. Getting a backup RB (like many have suggested) and calling it a day is the last thing I want to see. For all the "we need more on Defense" posters I understand your concerns and want to see many of the upgrades too BUT much of that has been addressed in FA and let's all acknowledge that the D will continue to be "Way above average" this coming year. Do we think Diggs is all that is needed for the Bills Offense to get "Way above Average"? The Bills have Allen, Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Knox and Singletary as starters. Singletary IMO is not a 65% snap count kind of back. Knox is still a work in progress and Brown and Beasley are already into their prime age contracts. If any of these guys are lost for any amount of time who are their replacements? Yeldon, DiMarco, Kroft, Roberts, Williams, McKenzie, Barkley, Jones and Foster are all FA's next year. How many of them are needed/wanted for the future? Lee Smith has 2 years left on his contract. How many want to see him on the team in 2021? The other JAG's Croom, McCloud, Easley, Becker, Webb, Wade, the Professor and Mary Ann are all 50 to 1 long shots. With exception of Mary Ann! Let's start rotating out of these above players now with rookies on 4 year cheap contracts and not wait to do it all next year! With the exception of an Edge Rusher I want Beane to get playmakers to help score as many points as possible and/or establish some decent long term depth. A consistent Punter wouldn't hurt in the 6th or 7th too. Agreed on pretty much all counts...Plenty of resources have been invested in the defense. It’s time to bring the offense into the top 10. How do we do that? A stud running back and a YAC and/or size WR, in my opinion. If a guy they believe can be a high quality starting RT is on the board at 54, I’m fine with that, too. 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I want Beane to go into the draft looking for offensive playmakers with the first 3 out of 4 picks and maybe a later pick or 2. There, I said it and feel better already. Stefon Diggs was a great start but he is the only playmaker upgrade so far. In fact he is the only starter change on O from last year. Getting a backup RB (like many have suggested) and calling it a day is the last thing I want to see. For all the "we need more on Defense" posters I understand your concerns and want to see many of the upgrades too BUT much of that has been addressed in FA and let's all acknowledge that the D will continue to be "Way above average" this coming year. Do we think Diggs is all that is needed for the Bills Offense to get "Way above Average"? The Bills have Allen, Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Knox and Singletary as starters. Singletary IMO is not a 65% snap count kind of back. Knox is still a work in progress and Brown and Beasley are already into their prime age contracts. If any of these guys are lost for any amount of time who are their replacements? Yeldon, DiMarco, Kroft, Roberts, Williams, McKenzie, Barkley, Jones and Foster are all FA's next year. How many of them are needed/wanted for the future? Lee Smith has 2 years left on his contract. How many want to see him on the team in 2021? The other JAG's Croom, McCloud, Easley, Becker, Webb, Wade, the Professor and Mary Ann are all 50 to 1 long shots. With exception of Mary Ann! Let's start rotating out of these above players now with rookies on 4 year cheap contracts and not wait to do it all next year! With the exception of an Edge Rusher I want Beane to get playmakers to help score as many points as possible and/or establish some decent long term depth. A consistent Punter wouldn't hurt in the 6th or 7th too. How about 2 WR's, 2 RB's and a Punter in the draft, then sign Clowney for the D? I think that help both sides of the ball. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 My prediction is that they will try to get younger at DE with one of their Day 2 picks... I expect them to draft a RB and WR but maybe not both until Day 3.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, hjnick said: How about 2 WR's, 2 RB's and a Punter in the draft, then sign Clowney for the D? I think that help both sides of the ball. I actually wouldn't mind that at all especially if one of the RB's is a RB/FB type back. I got mixed emotions on Clowney. Big name and big money.........I'll leave that huge decision with Brandon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) Gotta agree with Colorado, ya just can’t leave scoring points to the defense, last season on D = ?, WR yac guy, kick azs RB, RT, etc etc. Daboll’s goal should be 28 points every game average, a TD every quarter and more. Yup, I know that is at the high end of offenses in the league, but that is what we NEED to achieve. Jmo, Go Bills!!! Edited April 16, 2020 by Don Otreply 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas56 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Although I think we could use upgrades at G, RT, TE, a big, change-of-pace RB, and a young WR, the old adage that defense wins championships holds true for me. We still need an edge rusher, a backup MLB, an OLB to match with Milano, a backup S and another CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The weapons we currently have is plenty to take the next step on offense. The offense only goes as far as Allen goes as a legit quarterback. Rodgers, Wilson, Big Ben, Wentz, Brees and quite a few other quarterbacks could run very potent offenses with the weapons we currently have and some have done it with much less. If Allen is the real deal and can take the next step into top 10 quarterbacking we can make it work with what we have. We need depth of course but who doesn’t? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: My prediction is that they will try to get younger at DE with one of their Day 2 picks... I expect them to draft a RB and WR but maybe not both until Day 3.. Like I said in my OP, I'd be fine with a DE that fits with any of the higher picks as long it's surrounded with O players. If they can't find their DE they may have to wait until next year and hope their 1st can snag a good one. I know it doesn't help this year but you can't always get what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: Like I said in my OP, I'd be fine with a DE that fits with any of the higher picks as long it's surrounded with O players. If they can't find their DE they may have to wait until next year and hope their 1st can snag a good one. I know it doesn't help this year but you can't always get what you want. But if you try sometimes, ya just might find, ya get what ya need... ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) I think it’s important to remember that Beane took us from 6-10 to 10-6 in one offseason. He basically rebuilt the entire roster in one offseason. I have very little doubt that he not prepared to handle all that is in front of this team for the next five years. Point being: if we’re aware of these things, he is too. ? Edited April 16, 2020 by TroutDog 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: The weapons we currently have is plenty to take the next step on offense. The offense only goes as far as Allen goes as a legit quarterback. Rodgers, Wilson, Big Ben, Wentz, Brees and quite a few other quarterbacks could run very potent offenses with the weapons we currently have and some have done it with much less. If Allen is the real deal and can take the next step into top 10 quarterbacking we can make it work with what we have. We need depth of course but who doesn’t? With the exception of the 2nd rounder this year most of the other picks will be depth/rotational players. I just would like to see them on offense this year. I would like to hear the NFL National Draft Pundits say that "Brandon Beane is surrounding Allen with playmakers"! I still don't know how good of a QB Allen can evolve into but I do want him to be the best he can be and if a better surrounding cast helps then I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I think the Bills should go best player available and then go for need if players are rated equal. I dont think the Bills can go wrong with RB, DE, or CB in round 2. WR can wait until rounds 3 or 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 5 offensive skill players would be too many imo we mite need to draft defense to replace guys in a year or 2 Our defense is certainly very good but it has had lapses in all 3 years of McDermott. Linebacker, corner can still be upgraded as well as Dline We need a backup RB and a WR to groom. 1 offensive Lineman... Knox is gonna be really good. Diggs , brown , Beasley , Knox is a damn good starting core Edited April 16, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 This team goes as far as Allen takes us. For him to do that we need to continue to give him weapons. A stud RB at 54 is my choice 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: 5 offensive skill players would be too many imo Our defense is certainly very good but it has had lapses in all 3 years of McDermott. Linebacker, corner can still be upgraded as well as Dline We need a backup RB and a WR to groom. Knox is gonna be really good. Diggs , brown , Beasley , Knox is a damn good starting core This is where I am at Diggs will command double teams, which will open up things for Brown, Beasley, Knox. If Knox gets over the dropsies, that's like adding another huge weapon. Get RB, then WR later in the draft. Need to get younger at DE. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I want Beane to go into the draft looking for offensive playmakers with the first 3 out of 4 picks and maybe a later pick or 2. There, I said it and feel better already. Stefon Diggs was a great start but he is the only playmaker upgrade so far. In fact he is the only starter change on O from last year. Getting a backup RB (like many have suggested) and calling it a day is the last thing I want to see. For all the "we need more on Defense" posters I understand your concerns and want to see many of the upgrades too BUT much of that has been addressed in FA and let's all acknowledge that the D will continue to be "Way above average" this coming year. Do we think Diggs is all that is needed for the Bills Offense to get "Way above Average"? The Bills have Allen, Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Knox and Singletary as starters. Singletary IMO is not a 65% snap count kind of back. Knox is still a work in progress and Brown and Beasley are already into their prime age contracts. If any of these guys are lost for any amount of time who are their replacements? Yeldon, DiMarco, Kroft, Roberts, Williams, McKenzie, Barkley, Jones and Foster are all FA's next year. How many of them are needed/wanted for the future? Lee Smith has 2 years left on his contract. How many want to see him on the team in 2021? The other JAG's Croom, McCloud, Easley, Becker, Webb, Wade, the Professor and Mary Ann are all 50 to 1 long shots. With exception of Mary Ann! Let's start rotating out of these above players now with rookies on 4 year cheap contracts and not wait to do it all next year! With the exception of an Edge Rusher I want Beane to get playmakers to help score as many points as possible and/or establish some decent long term depth. A consistent Punter wouldn't hurt in the 6th or 7th too. Just reading between the lines of various Beane comments, it actually appears that RB is possibly the only skill position he will consider early in the draft. Other than RB, my reading of the tea leaves indicates #54 is likely to be a Dlineman, Olineman, CB or safety - in other words, all non-playmakers. That said, it may all be a smoke screen and we might still see Beane go playmaker. Edit - T.E. is still possible, but I dont consider it likely after the Kroft restructure. Edited April 16, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 With the trade for Diggs, the bills actually upgraded 3 starting positions on offense, 1 Wr, 2 Wr, and 3 Wr. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, TroutDog said: I think it’s important to remember that Beane took us from 6-10 to 10-6 in one offseason. He basically rebuilt the entire roster in one offseason. I have very little doubt that he is unprepared to handle all that is in front of this team for the next five years. Point being: if we’re aware of these things, he is too. ? Yup, and he as is said to often on this board, Beane is playing 3D chess, the guy has feelers out all the time, in places we may not have even thought to consider. I am quite confident in his ability to secure quality additions to the roster. But I still gonna run my mouth about what I want, damn it... ?? Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Watkins101 said: With the trade for Diggs, the bills actually upgraded 3 starting positions on offense, 1 Wr, 2 Wr, and 3 Wr. and QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: This is where I am at Diggs will command double teams, which will open up things for Brown, Beasley, Knox. If Knox gets over the dropsies, that's like adding another huge weapon. Get RB, then WR later in the draft. Need to get younger at DE. I'll answer you and @Buffalo716 together. I said "with the exception of DE/Edge" I would like the other 3 picks to go O playmakers. I want to see a RB1B, someone getting a good share of snaps, another WR and either a RB/FB to expand on DiMarco's role or maybe another WR/Punt returner to upgrade Roberts role. A blocking TE (which I think is important in Daboll's system) with a 6th that can be Smith replacement in 2021 who can be stashed on PS if he doesn't move Smith off his job this year may be considered too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Watkins101 said: With the trade for Diggs, the bills actually upgraded 3 starting positions on offense, 1 Wr, 2 Wr, and 3 Wr. True dat... ? As said above, QB as well. Go Bills!!! Edited April 16, 2020 by Don Otreply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 43 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I want Beane to go into the draft looking for offensive playmakers with the first 3 out of 4 picks and maybe a later pick or 2. There, I said it and feel better already. Stefon Diggs was a great start but he is the only playmaker upgrade so far. In fact he is the only starter change on O from last year. Getting a backup RB (like many have suggested) and calling it a day is the last thing I want to see. For all the "we need more on Defense" posters I understand your concerns and want to see many of the upgrades too BUT much of that has been addressed in FA and let's all acknowledge that the D will continue to be "Way above average" this coming year. Do we think Diggs is all that is needed for the Bills Offense to get "Way above Average"? The Bills have Allen, Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Knox and Singletary as starters. Singletary IMO is not a 65% snap count kind of back. Knox is still a work in progress and Brown and Beasley are already into their prime age contracts. If any of these guys are lost for any amount of time who are their replacements? Yeldon, DiMarco, Kroft, Roberts, Williams, McKenzie, Barkley, Jones and Foster are all FA's next year. How many of them are needed/wanted for the future? Lee Smith has 2 years left on his contract. How many want to see him on the team in 2021? The other JAG's Croom, McCloud, Easley, Becker, Webb, Wade, the Professor and Mary Ann are all 50 to 1 long shots. With exception of Mary Ann! Let's start rotating out of these above players now with rookies on 4 year cheap contracts and not wait to do it all next year! With the exception of an Edge Rusher I want Beane to get playmakers to help score as many points as possible and/or establish some decent long term depth. A consistent Punter wouldn't hurt in the 6th or 7th too. Singletary took 65% or more of offensive snaps in 10 of 12 games he played in (missed 3 to hamstring injury and sat out week 17). Those 2 games were week 2, when he got hurt, and week 7 his first game back. I'm absolutely ok with adding another running back in the draft with picks 2 or 3 though. We have nothing behind him and if he were to get hurt i think production at the position would suffer. But I'm not sure how much we need a WR4 considering Mckenzie Duke and foster totalled like 43 catches in various roles. I expect beasley's snaps to decrease a bit, and mckenzie would stick as a gadget player and WR4. I guess it's nice for depth to have someone behind diggs/brown who can slot into that role a bit better than Mckenzie/ roberts should someone get hurt. However it's hard to find an offense that effectively uses a 4th WR for more than a handful of plays a year though. If Hill and Watkins don't miss time, i doubt hardman gets 26 catches for the chiefs. I guess the packers but 3 bad receivers doesn't make the 4th WR important, it just means the WRs were bad. If someone could be had in later rounds that you believe is better than mckenzie/foster/duke right now - maybe? As for TE, the Kroft restructure seems to indicate they're rolling knox, kroft and whomever from smith croom and sweeney. I expect smith unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Just reading between the lines of various Beane comments, it actually appears that RB is possibly the only skill position he will consider early in the draft. Other than RB, my reading of the tea leaves indicates #54 is likely to be a Dlineman, Olineman, CB or safety - in other words, all non-playmakers. That said, it may all be a smoke screen and we might still see Beane go playmaker. Edit - T.E. is still possible, but I dont consider it likely after the Kroft restructure. Edge I agree with but there is no room on the roster for a DT 2nd rounder. I don't see a C/G at all at 2, maybe an OT. No way do I see what in essence would be a backup S at 2. CB in any round is always a possibility but I don't think it's a 2. 1 week to go and we all want to see what Brandon does. I spoke my mind in the OP LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: I want Beane to go into the draft looking for offensive playmakers with the first 3 out of 4 picks and maybe a later pick or 2. There, I said it and feel better already. Stefon Diggs was a great start but he is the only playmaker upgrade so far. In fact he is the only starter change on O from last year. Getting a backup RB (like many have suggested) and calling it a day is the last thing I want to see. For all the "we need more on Defense" posters I understand your concerns and want to see many of the upgrades too BUT much of that has been addressed in FA and let's all acknowledge that the D will continue to be "Way above average" this coming year. Do we think Diggs is all that is needed for the Bills Offense to get "Way above Average"? The Bills have Allen, Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Knox and Singletary as starters. Singletary IMO is not a 65% snap count kind of back. Knox is still a work in progress and Brown and Beasley are already into their prime age contracts. If any of these guys are lost for any amount of time who are their replacements? Yeldon, DiMarco, Kroft, Roberts, Williams, McKenzie, Barkley, Jones and Foster are all FA's next year. How many of them are needed/wanted for the future? Lee Smith has 2 years left on his contract. How many want to see him on the team in 2021? The other JAG's Croom, McCloud, Easley, Becker, Webb, Wade, the Professor and Mary Ann are all 50 to 1 long shots. With exception of Mary Ann! Let's start rotating out of these above players now with rookies on 4 year cheap contracts and not wait to do it all next year! With the exception of an Edge Rusher I want Beane to get playmakers to help score as many points as possible and/or establish some decent long term depth. A consistent Punter wouldn't hurt in the 6th or 7th too. I'm in agreement with you. I still think the Bills should draft two WR's. Foster, Williams, McKenzie and to an extent Roberts can all be replaced, and this year's WR class has many players with good to great potential. We should make our WR corps the very best it can be. I'm not saying that the Bills should draft a WR in the 2nd round, but definitely consider taking one in the 3rd & 5th rounds. We need another RB too. The TE class is not that strong this year, so I would take a pass on this position and go with what we have. Drafting a Punter in the 6th or 7th, doesn't bother me at all. As much as I want to see us go with a lot of offense in this draft, we cannot completely ignore the defense. When it comes time to pick in the second round, and if Jonathan Greenard and/or Josh Uche are still available, then we need to take one of them. Another CB at some time in the draft would be good too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I like the idea of getting as many playmakers as possible so we can truly give JA every opportunity to reach his potential. It's imperative for the org to know one way or another if he is THE guy moving forward. You don't want to be stuck in the middle area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Edge I agree with but there is no room on the roster for a DT 2nd rounder. I don't see a C/G at all at 2, maybe an OT. No way do I see what in essence would be a backup S at 2. CB in any round is always a possibility but I don't think it's a 2. 1 week to go and we all want to see what Brandon does. I spoke my mind in the OP LOL. I dont disagree with you about the need for playmakers. We have a solid roster .. but are short on playmakers compared to, say, the Cowboys or the Browns - which was exposed against Texans. Just pointing out that with Diggs acquired and based on various Beane coments - playmakers other than RB are unlikely at least at the top of the draft. With respect to your specific post - here are realistic round 2 non-playmaker targets Dlineman - several but will likely be an Edge rusher / combo player and not a DT Olineman - Will likely be a Tackle - Isiah Wilson / Ezra Cleveland Safety - Kyle Dugger / Ashtyn Davis / Jeremy Chinn (all mentioned on TSW pages as well) - these are not long term "backup" safeties IMO CB - Trevon Diggs! (yes he is seen by some scouts as too much scheme specific - but he is perfect for the Bills' zone coverage schemes), Cameron Dantzler, Damon Arnette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I'd like to see a defensive playmaker tbh... Big nickel safety, edge with some length, ball hawking corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, dneveu said: Singletary took 65% or more of offensive snaps in 10 of 12 games he played in (missed 3 to hamstring injury and sat out week 17). Those 2 games were week 2, when he got hurt, and week 7 his first game back. I'm absolutely ok with adding another running back in the draft with picks 2 or 3 though. We have nothing behind him and if he were to get hurt i think production at the position would suffer. But I'm not sure how much we need a WR4 considering Mckenzie Duke and foster totalled like 43 catches in various roles. I expect beasley's snaps to decrease a bit, and mckenzie would stick as a gadget player and WR4. I guess it's nice for depth to have someone behind diggs/brown who can slot into that role a bit better than Mckenzie/ roberts should someone get hurt. However it's hard to find an offense that effectively uses a 4th WR for more than a handful of plays a year though. If Hill and Watkins don't miss time, i doubt hardman gets 26 catches for the chiefs. I guess the packers but 3 bad receivers doesn't make the 4th WR important, it just means the WRs were bad. If someone could be had in later rounds that you believe is better than mckenzie/foster/duke right now - maybe? As for TE, the Kroft restructure seems to indicate they're rolling knox, kroft and whomever from smith croom and sweeney. I expect smith unfortunately. I started the thread because I seen a lot of posts about draft needs. Many of them had abundant reasons for all kinds of defense and OL needed by the team. It got to the point where many say that after the Diggs trade a backup RB + WR both in the later rounds is all the O needs. The more I listened to those posts the more I started feeling that I do not agree with that train of thought. I started the thread to get a sense as to how many are leaning toward my thinking. Beane may very well think what others believe but I will feel a little of a let down if it ends up Diggs and a backup RB with a late round WR. I do like that you prioritize another RB in the 2nd or 3rd. So do I. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: I want Beane to go into the draft looking for offensive playmakers with the first 3 out of 4 picks and maybe a later pick or 2. There, I said it and feel better already. Stefon Diggs was a great start but he is the only playmaker upgrade so far. In fact he is the only starter change on O from last year. Getting a backup RB (like many have suggested) and calling it a day is the last thing I want to see. For all the "we need more on Defense" posters I understand your concerns and want to see many of the upgrades too BUT much of that has been addressed in FA and let's all acknowledge that the D will continue to be "Way above average" this coming year. Do we think Diggs is all that is needed for the Bills Offense to get "Way above Average"? The Bills have Allen, Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Knox and Singletary as starters. Singletary IMO is not a 65% snap count kind of back. Knox is still a work in progress and Brown and Beasley are already into their prime age contracts. If any of these guys are lost for any amount of time who are their replacements? Yeldon, DiMarco, Kroft, Roberts, Williams, McKenzie, Barkley, Jones and Foster are all FA's next year. How many of them are needed/wanted for the future? Lee Smith has 2 years left on his contract. How many want to see him on the team in 2021? The other JAG's Croom, McCloud, Easley, Becker, Webb, Wade, the Professor and Mary Ann are all 50 to 1 long shots. With exception of Mary Ann! Let's start rotating out of these above players now with rookies on 4 year cheap contracts and not wait to do it all next year! With the exception of an Edge Rusher I want Beane to get playmakers to help score as many points as possible and/or establish some decent long term depth. A consistent Punter wouldn't hurt in the 6th or 7th too. This guys are bleh. I like mckenzie but he’s JAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Only spot on offense open on offense a rookie could contribute to right away is RB2. Other than that they won’t see near the playing time an RB2 would 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: I dont disagree with you about the need for playmakers. We have a solid roster .. but are short on playmakers compared to, say, the Cowboys or the Browns - which was exposed against Texans. Just pointing out that with Diggs acquired and based on various Beane coments - playmakers other than RB are unlikely at least at the top of the draft. With respect to your specific post - here are realistic round 2 non-playmaker targets Dlineman - several but will likely be an Edge rusher / combo player and not a DT Olineman - Will likely be a Tackle - Isiah Wilson / Ezra Cleveland Safety - Kyle Dugger / Ashtyn Davis / Jeremy Chinn (all mentioned on TSW pages as well) - these are not long term "backup" safeties IMO CB - Trevon Diggs! (yes he is seen by some scouts as too much scheme specific - but he is perfect for the Bills' zone coverage schemes), Cameron Dantzler, Damon Arnette I do acknowledge that the 2nd round could go the way you are saying. If that happens great but then the 3,4 and 5 picks going O playmakers are all the more a priority for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Just draft good players regardless of whether they play offense or defense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Only spot on offense open on offense a rookie could contribute to right away is RB2. Other than that they won’t see near the playing time an RB2 would Most likely true. I would ask, other than a rookie rotational DE what rookie defensive player is going to bump a starter this year? The vast majority of FA $'s went to the D this off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I’m starting to jones for Claypool at 54, and I’m hoping for Kyle Dugger in the 3rd. I’m squarely with Beane though, I trust him. My guess is we’ll have 2 picks in the 3rd round somehow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I started the thread because I seen a lot of posts about draft needs. Many of them had abundant reasons for all kinds of defense and OL needed by the team. It got to the point where many say that after the Diggs trade a backup RB + WR both in the later rounds is all the O needs. The more I listened to those posts the more I started feeling that I do not agree with that train of thought. I started the thread to get a sense as to how many are leaning toward my thinking. Beane may very well think what others believe but I will feel a little of a let down if it ends up Diggs and a backup RB with a late round WR. I do like that you prioritize another RB in the 2nd or 3rd. So do I. All depends how the chips fall. If none of the guys they want fall then go the FA route. It isn't ideal but there's some decent RB's out there still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) The measuring stick is the Chiefs and if the Bills are unable to score 35 points on a given Sunday, then they're just not good enough. Defense is only going to get you so far against a team like that, unless you're hoping for injury or a bad day by Mahomes, who has only scored under 25 points just once since he became a starter. Edited April 16, 2020 by Chicken Boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The odds of anyone in the 4th round or deeper making an impact in their rookie season are slim. So that leaves 2 picks. You want a WR4? maybe. Duke started the Houston playoff game, had some nice plays, blocked his ass off, has chemistry with Josh. He's 6'3 225lbs and way ahead of any rookie as far as learning this QB and this offense. Then there's Mckenzie who also will make the team as WR5 and still has blazing speed. Assuming we have two picks that will contribute this year, not sure if it makes sense to gamble on a WR in the 2nd round who you hope will beat out our 4th WR which is doubtful. I say if you want a productive offense, get a great offensive line and run game to balance out your passing weapons. We already have two 1,000 yd receivers, a great slot guy and role players behind them, Singletary is top 12 at his position already. Watching the Houston game again, you'll see that we got caved in by their pass rush on critical passing downs. You could have Michael Thomas, DHop and Tyreek Hill as your WR's and it won't matter when your line is getting blown up. We don't lack playmakers, we lack a good RT and a RB that can pass protect a little bigger than Singletary, but also still be a credible run threat so the defense doesn't know he's just in the game on passing downs. Beane was surprised by the solid play of his guards last year, but wanted to develop Cody who we picked high and moved up to get. The Nseke/Ford split was great experience for the rookie, and he had some good games, but I believe you'll see RT drafted high for us this year, don't freak out if it happens, they're indirect playmakers. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 RB, WR, QB first 3 picks is what I would like to see. Depth at WR, RB,and QB- so we can reload, not rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 They dont need to draft any position. With the depth of Wr and Rb. They will most likley be the highest rated players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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